Here we will take a look at Part 1 of Sheldon Emry’s essay, “An Open Letter To Any Minister Who Teaches ‘The Jews Are Israel.”
For those unfamiliar with this subject, we would suggest you also read our previous essay — Malachi: The Treachery Of End Times Anti-Christ ‘Judeo-Christian’ Ministers — in which Emry addresses this same issue from the perspective of the prophecies of Malachi.
We would be hard-pressed to find any mainstream denominational minister or priest who does not teach that today’s so-called “Jews” are the only living remnant of the 12 tribes of Israel from the Bible.
The fact of the matter is that anyone who attends a Christian seminary who challenges this demonstrably false pretense — even with biblical proof — would be summarily expelled as an “antisemite” — and have no chance to receive their kosher certification to allow them to preach as ministers.
Thus, their very livelihoods depend on them going along with this charade — which includes a blind obedience and support of the apostate Jews who now militarily occupy the land of Palestine under the pretense of being the true regathering of “Israel” as foretold by the prophets.
What is remarkable is that Christian ministers robotically make this assertion despite all the overwhelming scriptural evidence that these self-described “Jews” not only cannot be the only surviving descendants of Israel, but also they cannot even make a legitimate claim to being Hebrews or Israelites at all.
And this grand deception could not be possible if it weren’t for the truth of the observation,
“Catholics have Bibles but don’t read them, and Protestants read their Bibles but don’t understand them.”
Ask any Christian, “Do you believe that you are a living descendant of Adam?” — and they will invariably say “Yes!” — but if you then ask them, “What tribe or nation do you belong to?” — they will just stare at you befuddled — or say “It doesn’t matter.”
But they will all tell you who the “Jews” are without hesitation — as if their very salvation depends on it — and according to their treacherous ministers, they are convinced that it does.
It’s no wonder, therefore, that Luke had serious doubts that when Christ returns, He would find any true believers:
“I tell you that He will bring about justice for them speedily. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”
–Luke 18:8
So we will see from Sheldon Emry’s following multiple proofs why Luke’s words ring so true:
An Open Letter To Any Minister Who Teaches ‘The Jews Are Israel’
Dear Minister or Bible Teacher:
I understand you believe that the people we know today as “Jews” are “God’s Chosen People” — the Israel people of the Bible. You, and others, call them “The Chosen Race,” “God’s Chosen People,” “Israel,” “The Children of Israel,” and other very complimentary names in relation to God.
I also understand you believe the Jewish occupation of Palestine to be the prophetic “return of Israel” to “their” land.
Since it is Israelites “to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises” (Romans 9:4), it behooves us as [Christians] to know as much about God’s Chosen Israel and His Book as we can.
The information [presented here] has been compiled in Christian love and a desire to stimulate your study of “the People of the Book”:
ISRAELI
(1) Regarding the migration of the Jews to Palestine: by 1976, 28 years after the United Nations’ approval of the Jewish occupation of that land, there were only 2.9 million Jews there compared to over 8 million in the United States.
(2) Jews can leave “communist” nations almost at will, yet few choose to do so, and more remain in Russia than are in the Jewish state in Palestine. By 1975 Jews were leaving Palestine faster than they were moving there. The following is a direct quote from Parade Magazine November 23, 1975: “Three years ago more than 50,000 immigrants settled in Israel. Last year only 22,000 settled there. This year the estimate is only 15,000…Last year 21,000 Israelis left their country. This year a similar number will depart.” Other sources indicate many come to the U.S. and some return to Russia.
(3) Of all the followers of Judaism in the world, less than 17% are now in Palestine.
[CFT Note: Emry wrote this essay circa 1976. Today in 2023 allegedly 30% of the world’s “Jews” live in Israel, but over 65% live in America, Europe, and other White nations. The majority of the world’s “Jews” do not practice Judaism, live in Israel, or believe in God.]
(4) God prophesied to dispersed Israel:
“I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.”
–Ezekiel 36:24
Are these Jews being gathered from “heathen” lands? – or from Christian lands?
(5) God goes on in Ezekiel,
“Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean…A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: And I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, And I will give you a heart of flesh.”
–Ezekiel 36:25-26
Should this mean the Israelites were to become Christians in their new land?
(6) The balance of Ezekiel 36 promises great material blessings which would bring awe from among the heathen. The Jewish Committee for Israel — to the contrary — admits that if it were not for American money and from the Israeli Bonds sold in America, Israeli would be broke and would collapse.
(7) Most Christian ministers preach from Ezekiel 38 and 39 to prophesy an invasion of Jewish Palestine by Russia (Gog and Magog). But Ezekiel 38:11 describes the land of Israel to be invaded as,
“…the land of unwalled villages…them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates.”
Israeli villages are walled and its borders wire, mine fields, machine gun nests, and tanks to keep out the “heathen” who are in awe — not of the Jew’s “blessings” — but of their armaments and America’s promise to protect them.
JEWS “ALL OF ISRAEL”?
(8) Some of you preach that the Jews who came back from Babylon (4th century B.C.) are “all of Israel,” but Cyrus Scofield states on page 529 of The Scofield Reference Bible,
“Probably individuals from all of the tribes returned to Jerusalem under Zerubbabel, Ezra and Nehemiah; but, speaking broadly, the dispersion of the ten tribes, Ephraim-Israel, still continues: nor can they now be identified.”
In other words, of the Israelites dispersed in the Assyrian Captivity (2 Kings 17:6-23), most never returned to Palestine — and their descendants are not now known as “Jews.”
(9) Alexander Cruden — compiler of Cruden’s Concordance — has stated,
“And it is generally believed that there was no return from this captivity (referring to the Assyrian Captivity of the Ephraim-Israel, or northern, kingdom), and that the 10 Tribes never came back after their dispersion.”
So we see that both Scofield and Cruden agree there must now be descendants of Israelites not known as “Jews.”
(10) Writing about the time of Christ, Flavius Josephus — in his Antiquities Of The Jews — says in Book XI, Chapter V,
“Wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.”
(11) The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 21, page 249 reads,
“If the Ten Tribes have disappeared, they must exist under a different name.”
Again, they must be a people not called “Jews.”
(12) From the Jewish Quarterly Review of July 1903, page 106:
“The career of the Jews can be traced without difficulty…until the present day. OF THAT OF THE ISRAELITES [emphasis added], however, nothing authentic is known after their departure from their fatherland to Halah and Hebor…and the cities of the Medes. (2 Kings 17:6) With the beginning of their captivity they seemed to have passed from all human knowledge.”
Yet you ministers stand in front of your congregations and insist, “The Jews are all of Israel.”
(13) Many other Jewish sources verify that those we call “Jews” are NOT all of Israel. Isaac Leiser, in Discourses On The Jewish Religion, Vol. 1, page 256, writes,
“By this return of the captives (from Babylon) the Israelitish nation was not restored, since the ten tribes….were yet in banishment.”
(14) The Jewish Chronicle, May 2, 1879:
“There has always been, however, an unwillingness to admit that a fate which has befallen so many nations has overtaken the Ten Tribes. Why should they have been less tenacious of life than their brethren of Judah? Nay, the Scriptures speak of a future restoration of Israel, which is clearly to include both Judah and Ephraim. THE TEN TRIBES ARE CERTAINLY IN EXISTENCE, ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS TO DISCOVER WHICH PEOPLE REPRESENT THEM.” (emphasis added).
(15) The Jewish Quarterly Review of October 1888 carried an article by Dr. Ad. Neubauer titled “Where are the Ten Tribes?” It is too long to be quoted in its entirety, but he does arrive at the conclusion the Ten Tribes are still “missing.” Do you still insist the present-day “Jew” represents “all of Israel?“
ANCIENT ISRAELITES NOT “JEWS”
(16) Most of you ministers call Abraham a “Jew” — but no people in the Holy Scripture were called “Jews” until 2 Kings 16:6 — over 1,000 years after Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
(17) You preachers often speak of the Exodus as being the deliverance of the “Jews” from Egypt — but the Holy Bible calls them “Israelites,” the “House of Jacob,” “Hebrews,” “Israel” — and God calls them “the children of Israel” 122 times in the Book of Exodus.
Neither Moses nor God ever called them “Jews,” yet you do. Why?
(18) You often quote the promises in Genesis to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as referring to “the Jews”; however, in Genesis 17:5, God promised Abraham he would be “a father of many nations” — but the Jews are not “many” nations.
(19) In Genesis 22:12, God said to Abraham, “In Isaac shall thy seed be called” — but are the Jews called “sons of Isaac,” or “Isaacsons,” or “Saacsons,” or “Saxons?”
ISRAEL IN FULFILLED PROPHECY
(20) Abraham’s seed were to be as “The sands of the sea” as promised in Genesis 22:17. In Genesis 24:60 Rebekah — Isaac’s wife — was promised to be “mother of thousands of millions.” At the time of the Exodus, Moses prophesied to Israel that God was to make of them “a thousand times so many as ye are” (Deuteronomy 1:11).
There were over 3,000,000 Israelites then — and over 15,000,000 at the time of David — yet you insist that 15,000,000 Jews today — 3,000 years after David — are “all of Israel” How do you give honor to God when your teachings make Him a liar?
(21) The “New Covenant” — as recorded in Jeremiah 31 — was made with “the house of Israel.” Hebrews 8 verifies it with “the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” Yet your teaching is to the effect that this Covenant — which was to make Israel a Christian people — just didn’t work with “God’s People, the Jews,” but that a “Gentile” Race — the White Race — somehow just happened to accept the “New Covenant.” Just who is this “Race” which seems to have “usurped” Israel’s place?
(22) Israel was divided after the death of Solomon. Millions of Israelites of the Northern Kingdom — called “the house of Israel” — went into the Assyrian captivity after 740 B. C. and were lost to Bible History.
But secular histories recorded millions of the White Race suddenly appeared in that same area about 700 B.C.! They became the Christian people of Europe and then America. Hosea had prophesied to the house of Israel before they went into captivity,
“Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea…and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not My people, there is shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.”
–Hosea 1:10
Yet in Europe, America, South Africa, and Australia — where we are told we are NOT God’s People (Israel) — we are told by the millions that we “are the sons of the living God!”
(23) You insist that Jesus came to “the Jews,” but in John 10:25 Jesus said to the Jews,
“But ye believed me not because Ye are not my sheep (emphasis added) as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.”
So which people are the “sheep” who knew Him and have followed Him the last 1,900 years?
(24) At the time the Kingdom of Judah was destroyed in 586 B.C. by the King of Babylon, the prophet Jeremiah prophesied to the house of Israel,
“You are my battle ax and weapons of war. With you I will break in pieces the nations, and with you I will destroy kingdoms.”
–Jeremiah 51:20
Since that time have the Jews broken up heathen nations and destroyed pagan rule?
(25) Isaiah 60:5 says,”The abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee” — so what people build and operate the great merchant and fishing fleets of the earth?
(26) In Deuteronomy 15:6 God promised Israel that
“Thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow: and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.”
What people lend and give money to the heathen nations? What people have always been rulers of the heathen, but have never had any other race rule over them?
(27) A detailed blessing was given to Joseph through Moses in Deuteronomy 33:13-16:
“And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land. (his own land separate from the rest of Israel?) for the precious things of heaven (spiritual) for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath (rain and wealth of the seas), And for the precious fruits brought froth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon (abundant harvest of agricultural products) And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills, And for the precious things of the earth and fullness thereof (mineral wealth, oil and coal, gas, etc.) and for the good will of Him that dwelt in the bush (the favor of God, who appeared to Moses in the bush) let the blessings come upon the head of Joseph.”
This prophesy promised Joseph’s descendants great material wealth, blessings and protection. One Race of people on this earth have always had abundant harvests. All others have always been short of food. One Race mines the ores, drills the oil wells, digs the coal and converts the “precious things of the earth” into the goods and services of “Modern civilization.” Other Races live as they did millenniums ago.
(28) Israel was the only people ever promised by God that He would answer their prayers and watch over them. What people have prayed to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob down through the last score of centuries — have had their prayers answered — and have been prospered by Him while the other Races sit in heathen darkness? If the White Race is Really just like the colored Races, then why did the God of Abraham choose only the white Race in which to establish His worship? Why are only WHITE nations known as CHRISTIAN nations?
(29) In Psalm 147 God said,
“He sheweth His Word unto Jacob, His statutes and His judgements unto Israel, He hath not dealt so with any nation, as for His judgements they have not known them.”
The White Race prints and worships from millions of copies of “His statutes and His judgements” — and only Israel was to have them. Does this make God a liar — or is the White Race the true Israel?
(30) In Matthew 15:24, Jesus said,
“I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Was His entire mission a farce? Your teaching seems to make it so.
(31) In Isaiah 62:2, God said to Israel,
“Thou shalt be called by a new name which the mouth of the Lord shall name.”
(32) Hosea 2:17 reads,
“They shall no more be remembered by their name.”
(33) In Isaiah 65, God said to the enemies of His servant Israel,
“And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto My chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, AND CALL HIS SERVANTS BY ANOTHER NAME” (emphasis added).
These “enemies” are yet called by their ancient name of “Jew” — but Israel lost her name and identity — became the “Caucasian” Race (from the mountains of our captivity) — and now the “Christian” nations — named after the Name of our God and our Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ — fulfilling His prophecies to Israel.
(34) Through Jeremiah the Lord God told Israel,
“I will take you one of a city, and two of a family and bring you to Zion: And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.”
–Jeremiah 3:14-15
God brought over 40 million Caucasians to America (Zion) in one 50 year period — the greatest mass migration in all of human history — and they had “born again” Christian ministers.
Yet you preach the migration of a handful of atheistic and agnostic “Jews” to old Palestine — with their Rabbis who curse the Name of Jesus Christ — is somehow “the fulfillment of the prophecies of the regathering of God’s People Israel to their land.”
What nonsense you preach from God’s pulpits.
[End of Part 1]
Good article! Agree pretty much with it, but when you mentioned Cyrus Scofield my mind just turned off and my skin crawled.
Scofield did more to corrupt the Living Word then any other person I am aware of! Better do a little research on who Scofield really was and what he actually stood for and how he took the WORD and twisted the scriptures to warp the minds of the christian with lies!
Bucl, there’s nothing in the article that supports Cyrus Scofield or puts him in a positive light. You’ve jumped to an incorrect conclusion.
Sheldon Emry quotes Scofield because a lot of misled judeo-Christians think he has authority and credibility. Scofield supports Emry’s point that the northern Israelites have not been accounted for.
Scofield was a con artist and a Judas Goat. And he set Christianity back 100 years with his lies and distortions, empowering Jews in the process. And surely Sheldon Emry would agree.
I was shown the current (April -> June 2023) edition of Voice of Evangelism by someone named Perry Stone. Perhaps I’m off the mark here, but looking at the pictures of him in this magazine of his, he doesn’t look like the whitest fella around.
Anyhow, an article on the front page of this magazine reads: “Israel: The Key to the Messiah’s Return”. Reading the article, it uses some rather tenuous logic, and hand-waved interpretations of scripture, to assert that for Christ to return, “many Jews must return from Gentile nations and make aliyah back to Israel, the homeland of their ancestors.”
Is there any way to spin this nonsense to get Evangelicals thinking straighter, for example, pointing out that (by this “logic”) the Jews are selfishly denying Christ’s return by over 65% of them refusing to “make aliyah”?
Something that I found of interest is that even (((Wikipedia))) states that the Galatians were Gauls who were Celts that came from Europe. A secular site tells truths that no mainstream pastor ever would, even if he knew them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_(people)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae_(279_BC)#Aftermath
Haha , nice job , CFT Team ! 🫡
I still remember those days when I discovered who these “Israelites” or “Illuminati” were [by reading “The Protocols of The Elders[…], after some weeks by watching ”Europe The Last Battle”] and how much harm they did to the European people because of our ancestors who abandoned our future and our God to the Jews for material “blessings” like gold.
Also, the “fact” that the Bible ”is their book”, Jesus ”is one of them” or the fact that they are the same ”israelites” from that period of time had become a frustrating thing.
I was wondering how it is possible for a people who do the exact opposite of what God commanded in the Bible and hate Christianity, to maintain themselves at the highest level from a financial and political point of view [now I know].
Nothing made sense, because the Israelites were strong only if they obeyed God.
In our days, without your work and time given to this cause, more than likely a part of the readers would have abandoned Christianity and become atheists or would have joined pagan cults.
God wants to make the truth known to us, but if we do not possess a rational and critical mind it is impossible.
Thank you for this article, which fits my question of a few days ago like a glove
Does CFT know what the low down on Corrie ten Boom is? I was reminded of her today and I read her book when I was a kid.
Many believe that Corrie ten Boom is some sort of gentile “witness” to the Holocaust.
The Dutch Corrie Ten Boom did assist Jews in Amsterdam avoid being transported to the east to work camps by hiding them, but she is by no means a witness to “gas chambers” and “extermination” camps.
The only thing she witnessed is what we already know, that the Germans rounded up Jews in the Netherlands because they considered them to be potentially dangerous subversives and enemy combatants.
The Germans also needed a large labor force in the concentration camps and factories to support the war effort, so the Jews were removed from countries like the Netherlands for both of those reasons.
That is all that Corrie ten Boom ever witnessed, and any “rumors” about what was happening in those camps which she may have heard and repeated in her books is merely second-hand hearsay.
On the jew labor camps, I was practically force-fed books claiming that the jews in the camps sabotaged all the armaments that they made there.
Maybe it’s wishful thinking on their part, but it did make me wonder why the war effort would rely on the work of a notoriously lazy and subversive people?
Though here I read an account of a german soldier who had to go to the camps for supplies and was appalled at how the jews there were goldbricking and living high on the hog.
Thank you for your reply. It appears to me the ten Boom family as a whole worked against the German occupation, but that’s not really news, occupied people sometimes resist.
What kind of struck me when she was brought up the other day is that they’re all Dutch Reformed, which isn’t a very Zionist denomination. Perhaps they were just pragmatically working for the resistance and happen to stumble into fame with the Jews.
Although I do remember the book claiming that old women were being executed for no reason and she miraculously was released the day before her execution due to a clerical error. The later sounds like the typical ‘Holocaust miracle’ bilge. I dunno if Corrie ten Boom herself made that claim or if it was just the books author making things up.
Thanks again for your answer, God bless.
Grey, it’s also worth noting the history of Jews in the Netherlands. Many of them arrived there after escaping the Inquisition in Spain and Portugal. They became very powerful and influential; in fact, they would eventually finance Oliver Cromwell’s revolution in England, which resulted in the Jews being readmitted there after their 300 year expulsion.
They also dominated the Dutch East India company, which only increased their influence and power in that tiny nation. And it’s likely that many of the Dutch Christians saw their presence there as prophetic somehow, that they were the Christians’ “elders” in the faith.
Because of all of this, it’s no wonder that many Dutch such as Corrie ten Boom would show great sympathy toward many of them. And WWI certainly added to the sentiment of the Germans as barbaric, invading “Huns”, as many of the alleged “atrocities” from that war occurred in Holland and Belgium. But like WWII, most of those “atrocities” turned out to be untrue, yet the anti-German sentiment persisted.
Thank you CFT. It’s about time we start calling out these deceived people. They must know the truth and turn back to the true God. Israel is not a place. Israel is a people.
The more essays I read from Pastor Emry, the more respect I have for him. Delusion is on all sides whether is Judeo-Churchianity or DSCI. Judeo-Christian theology is harmful to White Folks, the idea that modern “Jews” are Israelites/Hebrews or even Judahites is absurd as Emry pointed out here.
Dropping Judeo-Xtianity and DSCI and understanding true Covenant Christianity has helped me in my relationship with Jesus Christ. Understanding it is only the Adamic Man who can ever be granted salvation was an awakening that brought me closer to Christ, I was never fond of the Universalist Judeo Churches.
God bless
Elijah …..
Greetings! I am enjoying your comments. It is so nice to see someone new here with so much zeal; who also loves to just talk about anything Scriptural/Spiritual.
You said something I found interesting — Understanding it is only the Adamic Man who can ever be granted salvation was an awakening that brought me closer to Christ …”
I feel this same way. But I have to admit that I “keep it to myself”. It’s not something I publicly declare on other “Christian” forums. I only make comments at other “Christian” forums to witness. Certainly not to fellowship. I have met many White people who hunger for God and Truth, but they have no clue about the Racial element — they are full blown universalists.
I “plant seeds”. But I don’t just come right out and be dogmatic about it. And then there is, every now and then, a non-white person (usually asian or of mixed asian/white race), who also seems to have a hunger for God and truth when it comes to Soteriology.
So, I suppose there is still some remaining “Junk”, if you will, left over from my 20+ years as an evangelical. I suppose I don’t like feeling superior simply because of race. Or believing that a non-white person who believes themselves to truly love God and does their best to follow Jesus’ commands ………… I have a guilt left over or even doubt, about their future when it comes to eternal life.
How did it — brought me closer to Christ ?
So, maybe you could elaborate on why you believe and feel that way. Because I do too, I just haven’t fully embraced it where I don’t feel a tiny amount of guilt. I certainly don’t believe those who don’t have access to Eternal Life are going to be punished or sent to a place of eternal torment. That just makes no logical sense.
Why, I also wonder why so many CI people want jews to burn in hell. I mean, jews are a curse no doubt. But I don’t see them any different than I would a Grizzly bear. I don’t want God to punish Grizzly bears for simply acting on their nature. If I allowed a Grizzly bear into my home and the Grizzly mutilated my family, I wouldn’t string up the bear and punish it for acting in it’s nature. I’d just end it’s life. Period.
Many CI people are mad at jews and think they should behave better. But then, in their next breath they admit that they don’t believe a jew has the ability to choose eternal life. So, they want the jew to behave — but they don’t believe they can have eternal life.
It’s bad logic. “Hey Jew ………. behave. But, guess what, you don’t have access to eternal life.” Why would a jew “behave” if there is no reward for it in the afterlife? Makes no sense.
I suppose they vent at jews simply because they don’t want to admit that it was “Us” who allowed them to exist in the first place.
You then wrote — “…I was never fond of the Universalist Judeo Churches….
Me neither. But not so much because of the race issue. But I suppose that could be because, where I lived was 98% white. I didn’t like “Christendom” simply because they were hypocrites. I almost declared God’s Word to be just a book because I didn’t believe it true BECAUSE, from my perspective, no one could or would follow it. Didn’t make any sense to me. Jesus said — “Keep My Commands”. The Church and the “christians” said — we don’t have to; or we can’t because it’s impossible — aka Once Saved Always Saved. I simply never believed it. I tried. But, it just seemed stupid to me.
Hey, thanks for being here and thank you for your zeal to learn and spread the Truth of God’s Grace towards Adamic Man. Anything you can share would be great to hear.
Grizzly bears don’t act with malice. Grizzly bears were not called ‘of their father the devil’ or ‘the synagogue of satan’ by Jesus…
Hey Luke!
A couple issues —
1) It’s been at least 3 years now that we here at CFT have had this discussion/debate as to whether there were genetic “jews” (related to Modern Jewry) (let’s say mixed race “white” appearing men), during the time of Christ. I so wish I had the memory to remember which article had the best discussion in the comment section. Probably the Edom series —
https://christiansfortruth.com/who-is-esau-edom-the-final-exit-of-jewry-from-the-worlds-stage/
https://christiansfortruth.com/who-is-esau-edom-jewrys-treachery-against-christian-israel/
https://christiansfortruth.com/who-is-esau-edom-the-origin-of-todays-jews/
If I remember correctly, there was no great consensus as to which “theory” was true. There were great arguments on BOTH sides of the debate.
I, personally, lean towards Charles Wiseman’s theory presented in his book — “Who is Esau-Edom”. Which postulates that YES, there could have been non-adamic “jews” in the First Century that had infiltrated into the ranks of the Israelites. Kind of like today. “There is nothing new under the Sun”. But, I wasn’t there, so I can’t prove it.
2) But the more interesting point for me is this —– The popular consensus is that jews have no access to Eternal Life. I’m sure you would agree. So, if the door is shut to Eternal Life for the jew, no matter how they live their life or how they behave in the world —- Question — Why should the jew do “good”??? That was my point using a Grizzly Bear as an example.
If anything, the White Man has lost total control of the worldly justice system. The jew’s punishment should be HERE on earth. I don’t see any reason why God would punish anyone or anything whose life simply ends at his last breath.
Do you see my point?
That being said —– We could potentially start back up the “debate” if you’d like to on one of the “Esau” articles above. Perhaps I will peruse the comment sections and see if I can find one of your comments/arguments from the past. No doubt you weighed in. ???
But for today, here on this article, what is your BEST argument to suggest there were non-adamic peoples (jews) that had infiltrated the family of Israelites circa 500 AD – the First Century AD. I don’t think, but I don’t want to assume — but you don’t hold to the Serpent Seedline theory, do you — That Eve had sex with the devil?
Would love to hear your views. It’s been awhile since we really dug into this conversation.
No “Contention” here. Just friendly conversation —- Iron Sharpens Iron. I’ve always enjoyed your comments not only here at CFT but many other places in the past. 🙂
Cheers to Luke.
Mr West
Sorry to be so late to reply; I revisit comments sections of articles that I may have posted on fairly seldom. I just went back to this article today for some comparison/additional info as it relates to a sermon Fritz Berggren posted today ….
First, let me say that I am honoured, humbled and even slightly mystified that anyone would be curious as to my opinion. Thank you. And remember, it is just an OPINION, unless there is ‘chapter and verse’ to plainly back it up. I try to be rational, logical and even Socratic in my thinking, but it is just my opinion.
As far as the ‘grizzly bear’ comment…I ‘saw’ your point when I read it; I get what you’re saying. But, for the sake of my explanation, can we change the bear to a snake? See, I hate snakes anyway, plus, its more ‘Biblical’ as no one ever called (((them))) a ‘sleuth of bears’… 🙂 Also, I think bears are just so fuzzy and cute…
Anyway, yes, snakes are just being snakes – they are acting according to their nature. BUT! I still hate them FOR their nature. AND I want nothing to do with them, will try and kill any one I see and do my best to eradicate them from around my residence, or anywhere I may be. Being a snake may well be in their DNA, but i hate them and want them gone.
As for ‘can a jew attain eternal life’… well, first we have to define ‘jew’. If, by jew, you mean a ‘religious jew’ who follows judaism/talmudism, then no, they have NO chance at eternal life as they reject Jesus, Father God and blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
If you mean a genetic jew, then we again must establish definitions; if the jew in question is an edomite or of amalek, then I would say no again [with a caveat] because God says He hates esau/edom and the He will war forever with amalek. The caveat tho is that those small percentage of jews are Adamic, hence would be human – we won’t get into the discussion as to whether non Adamic humanoids are actually ‘human’ and have a soul – and should have free will.
I would maintain that a small percentage of them – VERY small – at least would have the potential to become Christian and receive eternal life if they hear, repent, confess, be baptised and strive to live the Christian life. I know very few if any will do this, but i think the potential may exist.
As far as the majority of ‘jewry’ goes, assuming you assume they are indeed ‘human’, have a soul and possess free will, then yes, it is theoretically possible. Highly improbable, but theoretically possible. ‘With God, all things are possible…’
You are correct in asking ‘why should the jew do good?” if it is ‘hardwired into them to serve their father the devil. You are also correct in saying that it is our failure[s] leading to the problems; first, we are told in Scripture – in no uncertain terms – to be a separate people. We have failed. Given that failure, it is incumbent upon us to make life so unbearable for the wrongdoer in our societies that they ‘straighten up and act like White folk’ , or else. As someone – Ive forgotten who – famously said, “A country gets all the jews it deserves” or similar.
As far as the dual seedline theory goes… no, I don’t personally hold to it. HOWEVER… I understand the arguments and readily admit that it answers some questions. I just don’t think the Bible supports it. I find it an interesting question, but Im sure not gonna ‘pull pistols’ over it.
There were DEFINITELY non-Adamic non Israelites in the land of Judea in the first century, and they assuredly were ‘infiltrators, just as today. Remember that the True Israelites were taken away in two different military campaigns 6 and 750 years earlier. The area was filled in with edomites, canaanites, moabites, hittites, etc etc ad nauseam.
The ‘pharisees’ that Jesus and the apostles addressed were undoubtedly not – at least pure – Israelites and were most likely babylonians, practicing their babylonian ‘religion’ and ‘traditions of men’,[which became the talmud] and subverting the True Scripture to capture prey, just like they do today.
I think the book mentioned about esau’s identity is good and I have it on my shelf also.
No contention detected! Just an honest discussion and questions. Like you say, ‘iron sharpens iron’ , plus, remember that the Word says that ‘it is the glory of teh Lord to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to find it out’. We’re just working towards that coronation!
Luke …..
I just spent some time going through some of the older articles related to this idea of “….their father the devil…..”
Unless I missed it, I didn’t find any of your input.
I would enjoy hearing your arguments for how “…your father the devil…..” is in reference to non-adamic peoples circa the First Century AD.
If you don’t mind — write your thoughts on this article — https://christiansfortruth.com/who-is-esau-edom-the-origin-of-todays-jews/
If you believe in Serpent Seedline — aka — Eve had sex with the devil, comment here —
https://christiansfortruth.com/what-really-happened-between-eve-and-the-serpent-in-the-garden-of-eden/
Looking forward to it.
Mr West
My thoughts on how the reference of ‘your father the devil’ applies comes from Scripture! Jesus said it, I believe it, that settles it! 🙂
As for whether the pharisees were all Adamic men gone astray for whatever reason or non Adamic, I don’t know and imagine its a bit of both. As you stated earlier, I wasn’t there either…even tho I’m feeling close to that old some days.
But we look back at Genesis 3 and God makes it VERY clear that He has children and that satan has children. Furthermore, He states that the two groups will hate each other/be at war for all times.
My personal OPINION is that satan has literal, physical children – the antiChrists, many of whom ‘ are of the synagogue of satan’, AND that anyone who does the works of the devil are ‘his children’ , regardless of their bloodline/genetics.
Again, my opinion and it is worth exactly what it costs you. 🙂 [but I think I’m right after much thought into the matter… :)]
Luke ……………..
“….As for whether the pharisees were all Adamic men gone astray for whatever reason or non Adamic, I don’t know and imagine its a bit of both….”
Thanks for your thoughts! I appreciate the dialogue. I happen to agree. Cheers mate.
Ps……. Sorry I had to use the Grizzly Bear as an example. I love all animals, despite how they affect nature and or me. Makes me cry almost when I watch a Lioness take down a Gazelle. I watched a Python restricting a “Fawn” the other day and it broke my heart. But this is simply Nature. And I hear you on “Snakes”. But I go out of my way to protect those snakes on my property that eat bugs and keep the mice population down. The “King Snake” is truly magnificent. I’ve have sort of a bizarre theory about what constitutes a racial jew. I’ll make up my own terms — I see the word “jew” as a verb — to mix. When a White Adamic Man (or woman) mixes their seed with a non-adamic person, you get a jew. Whether this newly mixed race person will act like a jew, would depend on a variety of factors. I’ve said this before — the more Adamic DNA a “jew” has, the capacity for Good and Evil can really go both ways. If they tap into their non-adamic side, they could turn evil in a “crafty” way. But then you can have a jew with predominantly Adamic DNA be very docile and a productive member of society. When I look at some of the photos of the Bolsheviks ……………… some of them simply look other worldly. I have no idea where they came from. But guys like Paul Newman …………. You see the difference. Eternal Life???? Who knows. I would never tell anyone, no matter who they are, that they have no business reading the Scriptures and loving God by the keeping of His commands. But from my own personal experience — now going on 56 years of living on this planet — I don’t know of any who do. Heck ….. I’d be hard pressed gathering 100 Pure Adamic Men or Women who do. Luke 18:8.
First you have to clarify what a Devil is? Seldon Emery has a 8 part audio sermon: Give the devil his due. I think this is a must listen for anyone in Christian Isarel truth. Good discussion, i will have a look at the rest of this site.
The 8-part audio series that Sheldon Emry did called “Give The Devil His Due” can be found in his archives here:
https://sheldonemrylibrary.famguardian.org/CassetteTapedMessages/1978/emry1978.htm
Part 1:
https://sheldonemrylibrary.famguardian.org/CassetteTapedMessages/1978/7810a.mp3
We did an introductory essay on the subject, “How The Devil And Satan Are Defined By Scripture”
https://christiansfortruth.com/how-the-devil-and-satan-are-defined-by-scripture/
West Thank you for the thoughtful response sir, I relate to a lot of what you said. I suppose the understanding that Jesus Christ is our (White folks) Kinsman reedemer brought me closer to him because I saw all of the ant-White propaganda being displayed by the Left and the Jews.
As for the Jews themselves, I will be honest – I did like DSCI view that they would go to hell, all of the Evil they have done to our people from blood libel, White Genocide etc. However as you said whose fault is it? It’s the White Man’s fault. If the pure Judahites would not have mixed and not been so pharisaical, the Jew would never have existed. This is our collective punishment for disregarding God.
I appreciate your comments sir – I’m a young Man who is simply looking for truth, I have been misguided by false teachers, gone down many rabbit holes, but I never felt close to God in DSCI, nor did I ever see any Brotherly Love or care. Many of them claim this is “Emotion” – however, Christ told us to Love our brother not to strike him down.
I got tired of the BS and lies certain circles were saying, especially regarding CFT. They lied about this website, claiming CFT is “Universalist”. I investigated for myself and found that was a lie.
I have always been a seeker of truth ever since my awakening in 2017 to certain conspiracies (9/11, Holohoax, White Genocide etc.)
God bless
Elijah
Elijah,
“…Kinsman reedemer brought me closer to him because I saw all of the ant-White propaganda being displayed by the Left and the Jews….”
Yes, Amen! Me too. That had to mean something. And if the whole world is attacking White People — by default — they are attacking God Himself.
Ironically for me ………… my journey started simply because I was interested in my own family tree. A distant relative made it her hobby to trace my dad’s side of the family and it was truly exciting. Then I researched my mother’s side of the family and her side traced back to Cousins of Czar Alexander. My Grandmother used to tell us fantastic stories of fleeing the Bolsheviks and leaving their “family jewels” behind — supposedly could have been worth millions. They were Aristocracy.
Then I purchased — “March of the Titans” by Arthur Kemp. Add all of that to learning about jewish perfidy and then Christian Identity and the rest is history.
Blessings to you. Stick around, please! 🙂
Thanks West, I like the brotherhood of this site. It was great hearing from you, I wanted to add (sorry if this is off topic I just found it interesting) The Shroud of Turin comment you had on one of the articles (cant remember which one it was).
I have been looking into it and I am more convinced that it is indeed the true Image of Christ, though It may not be, still have to do more research.
God bless
Elihah,
“….If the pure Judahites would not have mixed and not been so pharisaical, the Jew would never have existed. This is our collective punishment for disregarding God….”
Perfectly explained. I hope others read this.
https://rumble.com/v1ljek1-the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion-1903-full-audiobook.html
https://rumble.com/v27kixm-ill-let-a-rabbi-explain-the-plan-against-us-and-christ-war-on-your-mind-bod.html
Thank you, CFT for Part 1 &2 of Sheldon Emry’s well documented essays.
This grand deception of the vast majority of Christians cannot be accidental. It must be the hand of God at work. He predicted it would happen, along with the great falling away among believers.
Those professing Christians literally worship the anti-Christ, just has Revelation foretold they would.
Yet none of them would ever believe those prophecies apply to themselves merely because they think being a Christian means they haven’t fallen for the wiles of Satan.
Uncanny.
I concur with your post, Kevin.
I spent many a year in the Judeo-Christian churches. They make the scriptures and the Christian faith appear to be one big bed of roses. They preach Jesus Christ that is so far removed from biblical truth. Where Jesus is some San Francisco hippie from the summer of love as if He wants to hug everyone and just be some happy go lucky Joe.
Hardly no preaching of Divine judgement or punishment; no thorns on the roses. I have heard preachers inviting queers and other sexual perverts into the church thinking if they do attend, they can preach some sense into these sickos, all along ignoring the warnings in the scriptures of having these freaks among us. 2 Cor 6:17 Of course the Methodists have nothing but queers and degenerates in their congregations.
Nothing is ever taught about the biblical historical narrative. Everything is spiritualized.
For a lot of the people who have attended these churches for some time; the brain washing is complete.
It takes an extra inquisitive mind to break free and discover the truth.
My praise and thanks goes to our kinsmen Redeemer for giving me such a mind.
As to my response to the above titled article: the many times I heard about sponsored programs for trips to Isra-hell seemed unending.
Thanks to CFT for a great article!
Yep, it takes an extra inquisitive mind to break free and discover the truth, but even more importantly it takes a humble spirit who is willing to acknowledge that they have been deceived, and those are much more rare.
What’s the old expression? “It’s much easier to deceive people than convince them that they’ve been deceived.”