A recent article in The Jewish Chronicle on the ‘plight’ of Jewish ‘mamzerim’ in certain Orthodox communities reveals how Talmudic Jews have intentionally misinterpreted the actual biblical meaning of “mamzer” — in order to not only convince themselves that Jews are legitimate descendants of the Tribe of Judah — but to also obscure the identity of the true modern descendants of the Israelites today:
Their pain is largely hidden from the Jewish community, their voices seldom heard.
But the “veil of silence” over mamzerim in Britain was lifted for one Limmud session by a researcher who is exploring the impact of the status on the lives of those affected by it.
Emma Rozenberg, who has practised as a family and government lawyer and is now half-way through a doctorate at King’s College, said that mamzerut was “rarely discussed” in the UK “other than a side issue to the agunah problem” but deserved attention “in its own right”.
A mamzer is the child of an adulterous or incestuous union, adultery in Jewish being defined as a relationship between a married Jewish woman and a Jewish man other than her husband.
A mamzer may marry only a fellow-mamzer or a convert, but the stigma is hereditary: the child of a mamzer is a mamzer.
While non-Orthodox movements have effectively abolished the category, it remains applicable within the Orthodox community.
The impact could be “profound”, Ms Rozenberg said. “People I spoke to talked a lot about living with a sense of shame, feeling that they were living with a secret.”
Some were “leading a traditional Jewish life within an Orthodox community… and grappling with what it means to be a mamzer in that context”.
Others had “found their place quite comfortably… along the Jewish spectrum where mamzerut is no longer recognised”.
But some young people felt “so angered and hurt by the way their family had been treated that they wanted to marry someone who wasn’t Jewish and leave the Jewish community altogether”.
Some parents were “very angry in seeing their children in so much pain and feeling that their children had been rejected by a religion that they desperately wanted to feel part of”.
Some remaining in the Orthodox world lived with a “fear of exposure,” she said. “One woman described to me her fear of her children being thrown out of their Jewish school if their mamzer status ever become known.”
One problem “unique” to mamzerim was the difficulty in speaking openly. “Even if you as an individual are comfortable to talk about your mamzer status, you want to raise it as an issue, you want to discuss it, what you are in fact doing its not only identifying yourself as a mamzer… you are potentially identifying your parents, or one of your parents, as a mamzer, your siblings who may want to identify within traditional Judaism…
“You are potentially exposing your entire family line and there are very few people who are prepared to do that.”
As a result, it was “very difficult for mamzerim to meet another” and advocate as a group.
“This veil of silence over the issue of mamzerut is perhaps something my research can start to address by giving voice to some of these individuals,” she said.
Almost all her interviewees reported that “the rabbis they had spoken to were very sensitive and sympathetic from a personal perspective and understood the pain they were going through. But several of the rabbis essentially felt their hands were tied and there was nothing they could do.”
As part of her research, she was interviewing rabbis about about what they saw as the purpose of the laws of mamzerut. But she added, “None of the individuals I have spoken to feel that this legislation is any way fair or can give me any kind of explanation as to precisely what role it is playing within halachah.”
Of course the rabbis cannot and will not explain this issue because it would open a proverbial can of worms that would call into question the entire notion of Jewish identity — or as Jewish professor Shlomo Sand described it, “the invention of the Jewish people.”
The Bible is very clear about what a “mamzer” is — it has been mistranslated into English as “bastard” — and appears in Deuteronomy 23:2,
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
“Bastard” here comes from Strong’s Concordance H4464, “mamzer”, which clearly means a racial mongrel, born of an Israelite father and non-Israelite/Adamic mother.
The definition of “mamzer” must include not just non-Israelite mothers but also non-Adamic mothers also — otherwise all of Jacob-Israel’s twelve sons — and his grandchildren — who all have been “mamzers”.
Today’s so-called “Jews” trace their Jewish identity through the mother — not the father which was the ancient custom of true Israel — and that change alone is proof that today’s Jews cannot be real Israelites.
For Jews, only the mother must be racially Jewish — whatever that means — but the father can be any race whatsoever — a complete negation of biblical law.
In other words — all Jews are race mixed — thus all Jews are racial mamzers — not just Jews born of an adulterous mother with another Jewish father as the rabbis here contend — that’s all completely made up by the rabbis — and they know it.
Race mixing was strictly forbidden among the Israelites — and children of fornication — mixed-race children from forbidden unions — were never considered Israelites — and their descendants forever were cut off as genealogical branches that could bear no fruit.
And we know from both archeology and descriptions of Israelites in the Bible that they were White — the Song of Solomon equates white skin with being “ruddy”:
My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.
And we know that King David was White from the following verses:
And he sent and brought him in. Now he was ruddy and had beautiful eyes and was handsome. And the Lord said, “Arise, anoint him, for this is he. (1 Samuel 16:12)
And when the Philistine looked and saw David, he disdained him, for he was but a youth, ruddy and handsome in appearance. (1 Samuel 17:42)
Jews are not White — in fact, they themselves often insist they are not White — and by making this claim, they tacitly admit that they are not — and cannot be — true Israelites and true descendants of King David.
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So much nonsense on this goofy website.
1. All humans today are “Adamite” since all descend from Noah.
2. Nothing was “mistranslated” in the Authorized Version. Strong’s concordance is not divine. We think of the word bastard in the sense of born out of wedlock only because: “according to order of law, his father is not known.” So the underlying meaning of ‘bastard’ in English is the same as ‘mamzer’ in Hebrew: a man born of an unknown father. The worst is assumed, and therefore he is banned from participating in the congregation for 10 generations. If the mother identified the father and he was Israelite and acknowledged his son, then there would be no ban. The marriage status of the parents is irrelevant.
Of course, this problem doesn’t apply to the daughters: an Israelite man could take any sort of female to be his wife, his concubine, or his slave, and have legitimate Israelite children by her. The statement above that “race mixing was strictly forbidden among the Israelites” is dishonest baloney. Only certain races were forbidden at the time when the Israelites entered Canaan and were told to eliminate that population. They failed to do so, mixed with them anyhow, and basically absorbed the remaining Canaanites into their ranks. This shows the foolishness of this website’s attempt to “we wuz” itself as “pure” Israelites and ignore the requirement to be born again. Read John 3, you morons.
NOTHING you’ve asserted here is supported by Scripture. You make numerous statements as if they are self-evident, but provide ZERO scriptural citations to support any of your points. It is impossible to take anything you’ve written here seriously.
And the fact that you feel a need to demean writers or readers of this website by calling them “goofy” and “morons” shows that you indeed have nothing to support your spurious contentions aside from ad hominem attacks which are not, nor ever will be, outside of your echo chamber, a persuasive form of argumentation.
He said “Authorized Version”, so I assume he’s fallen into the trap of believing the KJV is the only trustworthy translation. In many cases, there’s not much we can do to help them, because they have taken an extra-Biblical view of the Bible.
Anyway, he is welcome to comment on any of the comments below which even expand on the content of the article. Although given that he thinks the editor and commenters are goofy and morons, I wonder why he bothered to comment here at all, unless he did so in anger.
“…hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife… they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:20-21 (KJV)
“Even” is used as an adverb in “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; EVEN to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.”
Authorized Version adherents ought to be especially better with reading comprehension, but yours has failed you. This means that even in the tenth generation, the bastard will not be welcome. Not that they will be welcome in the tenth, but even in the tenth they will not. See how the Egyptian and Edomite is treated and compare it. It doesn’t say even in the third generation. “Even” denotes a hyperbole, especially compared with other nations, as a mamzer, Ammonite and Moabite were never, ever allowed to enter the congregation.
— “Of course, this problem doesn’t apply to the daughters: an Israelite man could take any sort of female to be his wife, his concubine, or his slave, and have legitimate Israelite children by her.” —
I’m afraid Ezra 9:2 disagrees very firmly with you there. I think you need to revise your views, as you seem to be unaware of Scripture which plainly disagrees with you.
I have a question for you: Why does Leviticus 18:23 say it is “confusion” to lie with an animal?
I wonder how Nordmax defines a biblical marriage. Does he believe that a marriage takes place only in a church? Does God recognize marriages between, say, Blacks and Israelites? If so, I’d like to see the verses that support his views. I’d also like to know what standard Nordmax uses to determine which peoples are of the same “race” and which are not….but that’s probably too much to ask….
Hmmmm… sorry mate, as others here have said, this site is for scriptural analysis and higher learning; the strong meat of the Bible as opposed from the milk. So, if you want to be taken seriously you will have to back-up your assertions with scripture… gut-feelings, name-calling, and group-think don’t cut the mustard here on CFT.
I will ask you this: What is a bastard file? What is a bastard sword? Are they both ignorant of their father? Haha!
These are two examples of what bastard also is and can mean… English is ever-changing, and many words have more than one meaning and interpretation of meaning.
I give up. I’ve read John Chapter 3 many times and cannot recall anything in it that addresses the issue of racial bastards or mixed race marriages. Maybe I missed it?
Yip, agreed.
I think Nordmax may be trying to point to John 3:16… but that is an assumption on my part, and I may be wrong.
John 3:16, of course, is speaking to WHITES ONLY. But I don’t need to tell anyone here that.
I think what frustrates me the most about things like this is that I was an atheist til one day I decided to read the Bible for fun. That was about seven years ago… and here is me reading meat… and there are a whole lotta people a lot cleverer than I, who have a whole lotta trouble understanding the Word, and a whole lotta them have been Christians since birth! So why me? Why can’t they understand the meat too? Anyway, just my musing.
no ,mamzer in hebrew means marrying gentiles non Jews that’s why the Jews are minorities there was the yemenite Jew king who issued a law if any hebrew man mixed with kushites his unborn baby would be killed and he did it it’s documented in Byzantine record
In the original manuscripts (Hebrew and Greek) there is no such word as “gentiles”; and more importantly, God never identifies anyone in terms of religious affiliation. The word “gentiles” is a human replacement for God’s word “goy” and “ethnos” meaning nations; a tribe, family, clan, and even a herd or a swarm of bees. If God asks anyone if they are a “gentile” and they respond affirmatively, they give a foolish answer because one individual does not and cannot make a nation. The word gentile is an other putrid and corrupt replacement the same as church is used to replace the word Jesus Christ uses “ecclesia”. The word “gentile” in it’s common christian understanding to mean non jew is as bogus as a four dollar bill. If you study Scripture diligently, you will discover the word “gentile” is used conveniently. Why isn’t gentile used in Genesis 17:16? Because it would make no sense; but it is used elsewhere conveniently. If “gentile” is not in God’s vocabulary, neither should it be in ours. We either speak His language or we don’t. Jew and gentile is a corrupt attempt at making the religious jews a superior race to non jews. Nonsense- every bit of it. Religious jews are not “God’s chosen people”. They reject Jesus Christ. Exalting humans according to any religious or ethnic trait is a very dangerous practice.
no Messianic mamzer in Hebrew language means a Jew marrying non Jewish mother or the other way around it states very clear in the Torah how is it forbidden and trespassing to marry non Jew ,and we didn’t all came from Noah
You have a convincing argument, however ending your dissertation would result in a more appealing persuasion . Remember kindness is always paramount in an open discussion. Respectful disagreement is always preferred rather than condescending remarks.
You are in danger of HELL FIRE! Moron or Moros ( Greek,) means Fool! Be very careful what you call your brothers or anyone else.
Deut 23:2 – A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Zechariah 9:6 – And a bastard shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the pride of the [GIANTS] Philistines.
Gen 24:3 – And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:
Ezra 9:1 – Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
Ezra 9:2 – For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.
Deut 20:17 – But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
Bible book hated of interracial marriages in Ezra 9:2 – For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy [HOLY SEED] seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.
IF there is a HOLY SEED then there needs to be an UNHOLY SEED…
That rap song was really naff.
Yes, the rabbis are stringing everyone, including the jews, and in some cases themselves, along. They know the score. They like to tell us about how clever they are all the time.
I know this bloke who insists that he is White even though he is part fuzzy wuzzy and part jew. He has ginger hair and white skin, so that is good enough for him. No amount of me telling him that he isn’t White makes the slightest difference to him.
A girl told me the other day that, she was White. She then told me a few mins later she was a quarter maori…!
I know another fellow who is a quarter indian… but he hates indians, and only likes White girls.
The saddest of all was a that when I asked a girl if she was “full White like me”, she laughed like it funny that I would ask such a question to anyone. Obviously she has no pride in her genes.
I observe this sort of thing all the time… mamzers want the honour of Whites and yet they are not White. Race mixing just creates so much confusion.
Quite recondite for me but one familiar consistence was the persecution — even within. Poor jews cannot escape. The goyim, who finance their private schools which discriminates against goyim, can now expect to pay for this new persecuted minority: rabbi consulting fees , psychiatrist, medicines, exclusive hospitals and of course endless subsidizing.
Could not watch the film ; but hope others will share my disgust, did not need to to learn how Sodomites danced.
Deuteronomy 23:2 can’t be referring to the union of an Israelite and non-Israelite, because there are specific laws in Deuteronomy 23 allowing other nations into the community under certain guidelines. In other words, it would simply make no sense, because the union between Israelites and non-Israelites was allowed.
It cannot be the child of a union between a man and a prostitute, or “illegitimate birth”, as some believe. There was a hero of faith specifically mentioned in Hebrews 11:32, whose story is told in Judges 11, where it says of his birth in Judges 11:1, “Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a valiant warrior, but he was the son of a prostitute.” His half-siblings wanted to kick him out because they were afraid over their inheritance. God used this banishment from their house for the good of Israel, as Jephthah was a judge of Israel chosen by God. It would be bizarre for the product of sin and the keeping of the law by his siblings to be used for good.
Isaiah 56, which echoes Deuteronomy 23 and provides prophetic precedent — among others — for exoneration of nations and eunuchs, is suspiciously silent on the mamzer issue, as if it along was specifically not exonerated of the Deuteronomy 23 laws.
We could go into word studies, but probably the most impactful demonstration of the word is the fulfillment of prophecy. Zechariah 9:6 says (the 1995 NASB puts it best), “And a mongrel race [mamzer] will dwell in Ashdod”. Look at modern day Ashdod, see what lives there and tell me those are not mongrel breed. The article itself confirms it.
But the article commentary admits that it can’t necessarily mean children from the unions of Israelite and non-Israelite women. Many Israelites married Adamic, non-Israelite women that resulted in legitimate Israelite children.
Ashdod in Israel today is ground zero for mamzer Jews, but that’s why Jews ignore most of the Old Testament prophets who clearly prove that they can’t be Israel.