Many are familiar with the term “Edomite Jews” — a type of “Jew” that was created when John Hyrcanus, the Hasamonean King of Judea conquered Idumaea — or Edom — circa 110 BC and forced circumcision on the Edomites on condition of their citizenship in Judea.
According to Flavius Josephus,
“Hyrcanus also captured the Idumean cities of Adora and Marisa and after subduing all the Idumeans, permitted them to remain in their country as long as they had themselves circumcised and were willing to observe the laws of the Jews. And so, out of attachment to the land of their fathers, they submitted to circumcision and to make their manner of life conform in all other respects to that of the Jews. And from that time onward they have continued to be Jews.”
—Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book 13, 257-58
Josephus, who wrote for a Greek-speaking audience, never used the word “Jew” here — a much later English word — rather, he used the Greek word “Ioudaios” which would have meant “Judean” — or citizen of Judea. Josephus — a devout Hasmonean “Jew” himself — would never have meant to suggest that the Edomites were ever accepted as racial Judahites or Israelites merely because they were circumcised.
After all, for the Hasmoneans, it was standard practice to enforce circumcision on those they conquered — just as Jewish slave traders would circumcise their slaves as sign of ownership.
Prior to the rise of the Hasmoneans, Judea was part of the Selucid Empire — and under the rule of Antiochus IV Epiphanes (215 – 164 BC), Judea was zealously Hellenized, and the religious practices of the Hebrews were suppressed, most notably circumcision:
“Now Antiochus was not satisfied either with his unexpected taking the city (Jerusalem), or with its pillage, or with the great slaughter he had made there; but being overcome with his violent passions, and remembering what he had suffered during the siege, he compelled the Jews to dissolve the laws of their country, and to keep their infants uncircumcised, and to sacrifice swine’s flesh upon the altar; against which they all opposed themselves, and the most approved among them were put to death.”
—Flavius Josephus, The War of the Jews, Book 1.1 §2
Under the Maccabees, the Hasmoneans retook Judea from the Syrian Selucids and reinstituted circumcision among the Israelites there — though many of these Israelites remained assimilated uncircumcized Judeans — or “gentiles” — and are counted among those in the New Testament as “the uncircumcised.”
And while circumcision among Israelites was voluntary, it was not so among those peoples — such as the Edomites — whom they conquered.
In fact, there were many peoples Alexander Jannaeus, King of Judea ( 103- 76 BC) conquered who refused to submit to circumcision — and were utterly destroyed:
“Now at this time the Jews were in possession of the following cities that had belonged to the Syrians, and Idumeans, and Phoenicians: At the sea-side, Strato’s Tower, Apollonia, Joppa, Jamhis, Ashdod, Gaza, Anthedon, Raphia, and Rhinocolura; in the middle of the country, near to Idumea, Adorn, and Marissa; near the country of Samaria, Mount Carmel, and Mount Tabor, Scythopolis, and Gadara; of the country of Gaulonitis, Seleucia and Gabala; in the country of Moab, Heshbon, and Medaba, Lemba, and Oronas, Gelithon, Zorn, the valley of the Cilices, and Pollo; which last they utterly destroyed, because its inhabitants would not bear to change their religious rites for those peculiar to the Jews. The Jews also possessed others of the principal cities of Syria, which had been destroyed.”
–Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book 13, 395
However, this forced circumcision was not necessarily a sign that the vanquished were now accepted as fellow “Jews” of equal standing in the faith — which was based on bloodlines and spirituality.
King Herod (72 – 4 BC) came from one of these families of recent Edomite converts — and he was never accepted by the “Jews” of Judea as a real “Jew”. Josephus describes how Herod was referred to derogatorily,
“But Antigonus, by way of reply to what Herod had caused to be proclaimed, and this before the Romans, and before Silo also, said, that ‘They would not do justly if they gave the Kingdom to Herod; who was no more than a private man, and an Idumean, i. e. an half Jew’…”
— Josephus. The Antiquities of the Jews. book 14, chap 15, section 2.
If the “Jews” rejected King Herod as a real “Jew” — that is, an Israelite from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi — then it’s just as likely they would have rejected all Edomites as real “Jews”, regardless of circumcision and Judean citizenship. And that seems to have been the case.
It should be noted that, according to Josephus, the Pharisees disagreed with Hyrcanus’ policy of forced conversion of Edomites — and this disagreement contributed to Hyrcanus switching from being a Pharisee to joining the Sadducees.
If true, then we must ask the question — would not the Pharisees then reject any converted Edomites from joining their ranks? After all, according to Josephus, King Herod — the “half Jew” never set foot in the Temple in Jerusalem, most likely because he was not a bona fide “Jew”. And if Herod was not allowed in the Temple, it’s highly unlikely other Edomites were allowed in either.
Recall that according to Josephus, the Edomites accepted circumcision not because they wanted to become “Jews” — but rather because they wanted to continue to live in the “land of their forefathers” — which was now the southern part of the Kingdom of Judea.
Which brings us to the Itureans — who dwelt in the land east of Galilee. The exact origin of the Itureans is still open to debate — though many biblical scholars falsely believe that they were descendants of Ishmael — and therefore “Arabs” — which most certainly is not the case. The Arabs did not occupy that land until their conquests after 700 AD.
The Greek historian Strabo identified the Itureans as Syriac-Aramaeans — an Aramaic-speaking nomadic people — predatory marauders who plundered farmers and traders in that region northeast of Samaria.
The Itureans shared common cause with the Judean Hasmonian kings who sought to undermine the Selucid dominance of Judea — and when the Hasmonians conquered the Iturians to that end, like the Edomites, the Iturians were circumcised and forced to “convert”.
According to Josephus,
[Aristobulus, King of Judea c. 104 – 105 BC] was called a lover of the Grecians; and had conferred many benefits on his own country, and made war against Iturea, and added a great part of it to Judea, and compelled the inhabitants, if they would continue in that country, to be circumcised, and to live according to the Jewish laws. He was naturally a man of candor, and of great modesty, as Strabo bears witness, in the name of Timagenes; who says thus: “This man was a person of candor, and very serviceable to the Jews; for he added a country to them, and obtained a part of the nation of the Itureans for them, and bound them to them by the bond of the circumcision of their genitals.”
–Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Book 13, 318
So we see here that the Itureans experienced the exact same forced “conversion” as did the Edomites when they were absorbed into the Kingdom of Judea — they were given citizenship and expected to live under the laws of Judea — but there’s no evidence that these Itureans were ever accepted as “Israelites” or real Judahites.
And just as is the case of the Edomites, the Itureans are mentioned only once in the New Testament — in Luke 3:1 — as subjects of the Herodian tetrarchs:
“Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene.”
It would seem rather odd that the Edomites — or “Idumaeans” as they were known to the Greeks and Romans — are mentioned only once in the New Testament — as one among many peoples who came into Jerusalem to hear Christ speak:
“And from Jerusalem, and from Idumaea, and from beyond Jordan; and they about Tyre and Sidon, a great multitude, when they had heard what great things he did, came unto him.”
—Mark 3:8
This verse in Mark seems to suggest that the Edomites did not live in Jerusalem — that despite having been granted Judean citizenship under Hyrcanus, they largely remained in that part of southern Judea where their forefathers had dwelt — according to Josephus.
Unlike the Itureans, some Edomites did worm their way into the highest echelons of power in Judea under Herod and his sons and brothers — one of whom, Philip, became the tetrarch over the Itureans. But the question remains — were these Edomite converts like Herod ever accepted as legitimate “Jews” among the Israelites in Judea?
There seems to be some evidence that after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD the Edomites of Judea sided with the “Jews” in their subsequent rebellions against the Romans — and perhaps it was at that time and thereafter that these people entered into forbidden marriages which resulted in the Hebrew bloodline absorbing the Edomite peoples, but that is merely speculation — along with some tenuous Khazarian lore that claims distant Edomite ancestry.
What we do know, however, is that today’s “Jews” most certainly are the spiritual inheritors of Esau-Edom as the eternal enemies of the true Israelite people — and if any people today fulfill many of the prophecies regarding Edom — and the “synagogue of satan” — it most certainly is this revolutionary people today who masquarade as “Jews.”
And no one, as far as we can tell, have ever accused today’s “Jews” of actually being Itureans, despite the fact that they underwent the same circumcision and “conversion” as the Edomites did.
How come nobody mentions how these Jews are pedophiles and rabbis literally suck baby dicks and call it ancient Jew culture when in reality it’s pedophilia!?
Recently the Ashkenazi jews came up in conversation, and as one other fella in the conversation knew of their conversion circa 800 AD, I had some fun and floated the question of whether they are true jews.
The other fella responded matter-of-factly that the Ashkenazi had been found to be legitimate jews via DNA testing as they have the same genetic material as the other two main jew ethnicities (Sephardi & Mizrahi).
Is it true that all of these jew groups have the same genetic ancestry?
In conclusion, the Pharisees were pure Israelites, but who were against God long before the coming of Jesus Christ (Matthew 23:37-39) and in their madness they created Judaism to wage a war against God by creating laws and human traditions.
We should stop blaming the Edomites Jews for the creation of Judaism, because the pure Israelites created it.Nowhere in the Bible are the Edomites blamed.Those Israelites are as bad as the Edomites they mixed with.
I think that in the end they decided to give up their purity and join with other races or people, because Christianity had become very popular among the pure Israelites and the white nations and they, becoming only a minority, looked for a way to keep the religion created in Babylon, thus breaking another law of God.
I’m still left to wonder if there were any pure Edomites left. Scripture suggests (eg: Obadiah, Malachi, & Mark 3:8) that there are Edomites around even now, but 1 Kings 11 has me suspecting that they were by and large either half-Israelite (1 Kings 11:16) or half-Egyptian (1 Kings 11:19-20).
Unless the last heir of Edom, Hadad, achieved “Genghis Khan” levels of procreation and personally rebred his people as pureblooded Edomites, how else could it be? I suppose that is possible, but with the conquering Israelite army having been the only men in Edom for six months, I think we can take a guess at what went down: the “Lebensborn” of King David’s day.
The article blurs the House of Israel with House of Judah by making reference to Judahites as “Israelites” is various places; it is not as concise as it should be. Used “Jew” in place of Judahite which is not concise.
There are writings in the Apocrypha that tell of a people – I feel the House of Israel – after being taken captive by the Assyrians made their way through the Caucasus Mountains. Another words, today’s Christians that Jesus sent his disciples to preach too; they were imprinted in the heart for his word. His people hear his word. Those people.
The idea that the Pharisees were descendants from Jacob/Israel is utter non-sense. They were Edomites descedants from Esau. Jesus curse them and even made reference to the them being the children of the devil. Not only did they not follow Mosiac Law but chose the vile Elder/Talmud Law, they were not of his seed.
Edomites took power yesterday the same way they taken it today.
The term “Jew” as it is used in English translations of the NT refers collectively to Israelites from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, that is, the Israelites of the southern kingdom.
It can also generically refer to anyone who was a citizen of Roman Judea, depending on the context.
Not all Israelites were Judeans, and not all Judeans were Israelites.
This explains why Paul specifically refers to himself as a “Jew” from the tribe of Benjamin. Paul was not a Judean, but rather a Roman citizen of Tarsus. Paul was not an “Edomite” though he was a Pharisee. (Acts 21:39, Philippians 3:5, Romans 11:1)
The high priests who conspired to kill Christ, Annas and Caiaphas, were Israelites not Edomites.
https://bible-history.com/highpriests/nthighpriestsannas
https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/annas/
The Roman historian Josephus said that the high priests rejected the Edomite Judeans as legitimate “Jews”, and even Herod, who was part Edomite, was not allowed in the Temple in Jerusalem because of his Edomite ancestry.
Remember, at this time, they still maintained their genealogies in the Temple, and they knew who was a legitimate Israelite, and who was qualified for Pharisee or high priest. These records were destroyed in 70AD when the Romans razed the Temple.
Just because Christ called the Pharisees “sons of the devil” doesn’t mean they were “Edomites”. They were “sons of the devil” for rejecting God and for not “doing the works of Abraham”. They did not live up to what God expected out of those who call themselves “Israel”.
I have two questions :
1.) Where did Paul do away with circumcision ?
2.) The Israelites of the northern kingdom did not practice circumcision, obviously… Why and when did it stop ?
Paul wrote, “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.” (1 Corinthians 7:19).
The New Covenant did away with the empty rituals of the law like circumcision. Our belief in Christ “circumcised” our hearts.
The Israelites of the northern kingdom stopped circumcision and practicing the Hebrew faith when they went into captivity under the Assyrians, circa 700 BC. Not only did they no longer adhere to the faith, over time they even forgot that they were even Israelites, just as the prophets predicted would happen.
Kevin,
Would you take a look at this paper and render your opinion on if it changes your belief and understanding concerning the ACT vs. MOTIVATION for circumcision ?
Why or why not ?
https://www.hope-of-israel.org/christiancircum.html
That was an interesting read. I am not entirely convinced that circumcision is something we are called to continue to practice, but I have also long felt that jews have been trying to get “da goyim” to stop circumcision so that they can claim our ancient rite as their own hallmark.
Which reminds me, if the word put properly indeed is “brit” then how did jews remake it as “bris”?
That paper reminds me: is it significant that Timothy was accepted into the early church even though his father was Greek?
What a lot of Christians don’t understand is that the Pharisees and Israelites in general were “racist”. If you were not an Israelite, you were not suitable for marriage or to practice their faith.
With that in mind, it is inconceivable to me that the Pharisees would have allowed racial Edomites into their ranks. Josephus said they didn’t allow it, yet so many Identity Christians insist that they did.
They kept detailed genealogical records in the Temple in Jerusalem for this very reason. If you had Edomite ancestry, you were out, like Herod. Period. When the Temple was destroyed, so were those genealogical records, and that opened the door to destroying the Hebrew bloodline.
According to 1 Kings 11, during King David’s day, the Israelite army routed the Edomites and killed every man in Edom over a 6 month period.
1 Kings 11 reminds us that even the devout Solomon was lax in his Israelite “racism”. Since he strayed, I expect the corrupt Pharisees did as well.
Edom was left with none of its own men. The only surviving heir of Edom fathered a child with an Egyptian lass.
So then, some ~thousand years later during the time of the Herods and Christ, just who were the Edomites?
Just something I have noticed since you mention King David in Jerusalem – there is a statue of him with a harp that looks very similar to the harp that the ancient Welsh played. King David in Welsh would be Brenin Dafydd
For those who claim the Pharisees were crypto-Edomites, the following verses disprove that thesis. These verses prove the opposite, that the high priests were in fact legitimate Israelite priests:
John 11:51 attests that the high priest Caiaphas was an Israelite.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-11-51/
Acts 4:5-6 witnesses that the high priests were Israelites.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Acts-4-5_4-6/
Luke 1:5 states that the high priest Zechariah was an Israelite as a division of Abijah.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-1-5/
How does John 11:51 prove that Caiaphas was not a crypto?
As I read it, the verse says that he was the high priest of the year. This seems akin to saying Pope Francis cannot be a crypto-jew because he is the Pope. Please help me follow your train of thought here.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard of the Itureans and their conversion. Why is that?
Almost all CI circles mention the conversion of the Edomites, but none mention the Itureans. What that says to me is that they have an agenda, and they purposefully ignore any historical facts that contradict their agenda.
If Edom were such an important people in the Gospels, why are they not mentioned?
Why aren’t they mentioned in Revelation?
Oh, they say, you have to “read between the lines”. Really?
Since when are the Gospel writers coy or indirect in their writings? Why not just come out and complain of these Edomites pretending to be Israelite?
The simple answer is that they didn’t mention it because it didn’t happen.
REV 2.9 and REV 3.9 spring to mind.
Gareth, unless I missed something, Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 do not identify Edom as being the “synagogue of satan”. Sure, today’s fake “Jews” fit the description of Rev 2 and 3:9, but that doesn’t mean they are necessarily Edomites, no?
These “Itureans” don’t come up much because the Bible does not emphasize that they are in a perpetual conflict against God and Israel, as the Edomites and Amalekites are.
The Gospels don’t need to mention the Edomites because there is no “time limit” on what was said of them in the Old Testament.
eg: Obadiah says they’ll get their comeuppance at the end, and the end has yet to happen. Malachi says that God will harbor indignation against Edom forever.
Revelation 2:9 & 3:9 seem direct enough to me.
Edom had already got their comeuppance. Their kingdom based in Mt. Seir was laid waste and no longer existed by the time of Christ.
Obadiah’s prophecy was not fulfilled by the time of Christ. It foretells annihilation of the Edomites, yet we know Edomites existed in the time of Christ.
(FWIW the Catholic Bible labels Obadiah as an end-times prophecy)
The Old Testament ends with Malachi, and Malachi tells of Edom being rebuilt.
https://christiansfortruth.com/edom-in-the-prophecy-of-malachi/
The Itureans were Assyrians, and the Assyrians were in perpetual conflict with Israel, and decidedly conquered Israel and took them into captivity. In fact, the Assyrians dominated Israel much more than Edom ever did. Edom’s great “sin” was failing to come to the aid of Israel in its time of need.
To be fair, not much is known about Iturea. It was mentioned in the Bible one time and that was it.
We know a little bit about the Edomites, but even that is not much. What we do know is they were mixed with Canaanites and Syro-Hittites.
Canaanites and Hittites were depicted in Egyptian art with Armenoid characteristics like western Eurasian Jews do.
The response the Lord receives from the Pharisees, appear to suggest that they were not descendants of Jacob, but of Essau. That is why they claim that they were “Descendants of Abraham” that they had never been slaves. “ We are descendants of Abraham, and we have never been slaves to anyone, what do you mean “You will be free?” Jesus answered, “II tell you most solemnly, everyone who commits a sin is a slave. Now the salve’s place in the house is not assured. But the Son’s place is assured. So, if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. I know you are descended of Abraham, but in spite of that, you want to kill me, because nothing I have said penetrates into you. ” John 8: 31-36.
Apparently, these Jews who were listening to Jesus were not descendants of Jacob, Israel, from whom came the Hebrew community who were enslaved for 400 years in Egypt. After all, they would not have claimed that they were never slaves to anyone, if they were the descendants of the Hebrew who were enslaved in Egypt.. We know, that the Hebrew people were enslaved by the Egyptians for 400 years. How could they forget this enslavement whose redemption they cerebrated as “Pass-Over” every year! Besides, even if they forgot Egyptian enslavement, how could the Jews forget the Babylonian Captivity, which was even more recent? The Book of Psalms, includes a Psalm for the remembrance of captivity in Babylon. “By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept at the memory of Zion. On the poplars there we had hung up our harps. For there our gaolers had asked us to sing them a song, our captors to make merry, ‘Sing us one of the songs of Zion.’ How could we sing a song of Yahweh on alien soil?” Psalms 137:1-4
The Bibles actually replete with the subject of “Exile” and “Enslavement” Genesis prophesies enslavement of Israel into Egypt. “ Then Yahweh said to Abram, ‘Know this for certain, that your descendants will be exiles in a land not their own, and be enslaved and oppressed for four hundred years. But I shall bring judgement on the nation that enslaves them and after this they will leave, with many possessions.” Genesis 15:13-14 It is suggestive that the Edomite Jews, rose through the hierarchies and became the Antagonists of the Lord.
I guess you don’t read your Bible much, because there are a number of instances where Edom was enslaved or in bondage to Israel or to others, including under John Hyrcanus, which the article mentions.
How about 2 Samuel 8:14?
“And he put garrisons in Edom. In all Edom he put garrisons, and all the Edomites became servants to David. And the LORD helped David wherever he went.”
How about Ezekiel 25:14?
“I will take vengeance on Edom by the hand of my people Israel, and they will deal with Edom in accordance with my anger and my wrath; they will know my vengeance, declares the Sovereign LORD.’” (Edom was laid waste by Israel)
Edom was also put in bondage by the Assyrians under Tiglath-pileser.
John 8:31 is not proof that the Pharisees are not Israelites, nor Edomites. It shows that the Pharisees are literal minded and do no understand Christ’s figurative speech, which is consistent throughout the NT. The Pharisees of course deny they were ever in bondage in their own lifetimes, not as children of Abraham. And Edom were not the only children of Abraham who were ever in bondage.
If 2 Samuel 8:14 means that the Edomites were enslaved then why didn’t the Roman garrison lead to the Pharisees considering themselves enslaved during the time of Christ’s ministry?
RB, can you reword this question? It’s difficult to understand what you are saying or asking….
Sure, I’ll see if I can elucidate. Here’s hoping:
As I read Kevin’s post, he is using 2 Samuel 8:14 to contend that Edom was enslaved because it was occupied by foreign military garrison.
The Pharisees say to Christ that they have never been enslaved, but if a foreign military garrison = enslavement then why weren’t the Pharisees actively enslaved due to the Roman garrison?
John 11:48 makes the case that the Pharisees lived in fear of drawing Rome’s ire. This reads like the 2 Samuel situation redux to me.
Acts 23:6 and Acts 2:22-23 dispel the notion that the Pharisees were an Edomite movement.
Edom wouldn’t be exclusively Jews. A lot would have converted to Islam. Edom can even be found in Mexcrements.
Jews are as much Gomer as anything else. They’re the only ones who refer to themselves as “Ashkenaz”. Keep in mind that there was no verified nation called Gomer during the time of Moses, so rabbinists using “Ashkenaz” to refer to Germany lacks support. So, Jews wrote themselves into that prophecy.
Gomer would be aligned against Israel in the end times. So would Persia, Cush, Put, and of course, Gog (or maybe it’s ZOG)? Cush was already a dindu nation by the time the Book of Ezekiel was written. Jews use “Cush” as fodder against us right now.
I have no doubt that the Edomites in southern Judea eventually became absorbed into the Arab races that conquered Judea circa 700AD. Did some make their way up into Khazaria? Maybe, but most became Arabs as did the Canaanites.
so by your logic if we’re the real jews we were the ones forcing disgusting circumcision on everyone and genociding them if they didn’t obey.. except we were also the real romans and all other euros who so refused circumcision that paul had to do away with it to get any euros to follow christ. and we were so repulsed by circumcision that we as romans refused to sell slaves to the jews solely because of that reason.
Romanstock, where does the article say that “we’re the real jews”? CFT’s position has always been that the European people are descendants of the lost ten northern tribes of Israel, not the “Jews” of the southern kingdom. The Israelites of the northern kingdom did not practice circumcision, obviously. Yes, there were uncircumcized Israelites in Judea, but all from different tribes, not just Judah.
As an ongoing consideration of my comment, I just found this from :
https://twitter.com/FitzInfo/status/1649858332637769728?s=20
Minneapolis becomes first major American city to allow broadcast of five Muslim calls to prayer per day year-round.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11974709/Minneapolis-major-American-city-allow-broadcast-five-Muslim-calls-prayer.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton
The Mayor who approves this is a Jew pig:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Frey#:~:text=Jacob%20Lawrence%20Frey%20(/fr,Council%20from%202014%20to%202018.
“Frey is a Reform Jew and attends a Reform synagogue in Minneapolis, Temple Israel, together with his wife, who converted to Judaism.[71]”
***On the grounds of “RELIGIOUS FREEDOM” according to a Constitution THAT NEVER INCLUDED JUDAISM OR ISLAM ***
We can be assured of the continual CURSES dumped on our once Christian Nation now AntiChrist. There has never been blessings on African nations and now because of Edomite control the covetousness of African resources is displacing the people here like in Europe with nothing good to come from it.
Sparrow, you probably weren’t reading CFT yet when we ran these articles about the Jewish mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry:
https://christiansfortruth.com/jewish-mayor-jacob-fry-blames-white-supremacists-for-minneapolis-riots-and-destruction/
https://christiansfortruth.com/jewish-mayor-of-minneapolis-jacob-frey-proclaims-march-10-abortion-provider-appreciation-day/
…to continue
It now stands in the USA and the West…that the Noahide Law will be the authority in the land which is the ultimate in killing Christ as He… LIKE IN THE DAYS OF HEROD…is to be found and killed as the NL (pharisees) accuses Him of idolatry.
In this is the REBUILDING of Herod’s Kingship and Authority as the THIRD TEMPLE…and nothing to do with the true God of Israel! Almost every head of state (exempting Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine and a few others who are oppressed by these liars from hell) has worshipped at the Wall in Jerusalem…wearing a small hat and bowing down to the authority there. Russia and the West posing as “Christian” leading the way to oblivion.
https://fitzinfo.net/forum/#postid-1107
How Chabad’s power was established in Red China
Given that I don’t give much credibility to Josephus, Harvard or any other tainted ‘Jew’ authorship which has caused immense stumbling over Truth, as it stands we believers in Christ have greatly stumbled over the FORCED circumcision of our son’s at the hands of these religious pigs called jews and according to this article they have branded our fathers and forefathers with the mark of the AntiChrist…that which Christ Jesus came against when declaring that it is circumcision of the HEART.
Had I had a son this would have never happened with or without Christ. It belongs in the demonic realm of tattoos and body piercings all of which is demon controlled and has exploded since the rise of Jew dominated drugs legal and illegal. Take a look at primitive people of central/South America, the now jew illegals invading our USA. They are demons personified.
Also consider the absolute abomination of Islamic Jew Sharia law in female genital mutilation…ALL OF WHICH CHRIST HATED. He declares it all as “… earthly, natural and demonic.”
So Christendom finds itself as had been sacrificed to “…the god of Molech” with its mark(s) of authority. Only the reborn heart ❤️ is Christ’s authorship by The works of The Holy Spirit.
Remember that it was Herod who sought to kill Christ and it remains the same today. Herod’s temple and archeology is now great destinations in today’s occultist Israel all available online. What we are living with today with modern “archeology” is the fact that once God destroyed evil and buried it, so called scholar’s without the understanding of His Ways not only dig it back up but bring back the demonic spirits connected with it.
Example of many in “Israel” , the word tel as in TelAviv is a city that was destroyed by God and these Edomites have dug it back up to show ‘proof’ of WHOM THEY ARE NOT…a curse brought back on the earth. How much more when we understand their sal-i-vation over a THIRD TEMPLE.
Josephus wasn’t a “Jew” in the modern sense. He was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah. He didn’t practice “Judaism”, which wasn’t invented until long after his death.
Sure, his histories can be self-serving as far as trying to prove the worthiness of the Judeans to the Romans and Greeks, but I’ve never read any historian who believes that Josephus is not one of the most reliable sources for Roman-Judean history at the time of Christ.
Josephus’ books were second to the Bible in popularity among Christians in the 19th century.
Hi Mark
I understand where you are coming from. When I began this walk of gleaning for the truth I saw many Jew blogs and comments referring to Josephus to bring credit to their take on history. To me he was their “Holy Spirit” counsel and it turned me way off given that he was fallible. Not meant for offense.
This is part of the premise behind “The Exorcist”. I never really considered archeological digs as having spiritual consequences. You have given me something to ruminate upon.