For most people here on Earth, the first day of November, 1887, was like any other day — the sun rose in the east and eventually set in the west as the Earth rotated on its axis while following its usual orbit around the sun — just as their school teachers and revered scientists had told them it would.
But for two American physicists — Albert Michelson and Edward Morley at Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio — the Earth’s motion appeared to come to a screeching halt — creating the greatest crisis in the history of physics and science that the world had ever known.
Indeed, on November 1, 1887, Michelson-Morley published the results of their famous experiment, “On The Relative Motion of the Earth and the Luminous Ether” in the American Science Journal — the implications of which brought into question the very foundations of the Copernican Model of the “Universe.”
The idea behind the Michelson-Morley experiment was simple and elegant — if the Earth is, in fact, orbiting the Sun, it should then be possible to detect and measure that motion as it travels through the illuminated “aether”.
Physicists had logically assumed there must be some sort of invisible medium — through which light can travel in detectable waves — in the same way motion travels through water — and sound travels through air — in waves. They called this invisible background medium the “aether”.
Up to this point, physicists and astronomers merely presumed that the Earth rotated on its axis and orbited the Sun — they had never conducted any actual experiments to prove that this was actually the case.
And, no, looking at stars and “planets” through a telescope is not a scientific experiment — it’s merely an observation that does not prove the validity of the Copernican Model.
As we showed in our previous article on this issue, Kepler had merely worked out mathematical models to demonstrate how the Copernican Model could be true — and then Newton proposed the physical laws that the Model would have to conform to in order to be true — however, neither men went beyond the theoretical into the actual realm of demonstrable and repeatable experiments.
[CFT Note: However, Newton’s famous “Bucket Experiment/Argument” appeared to demonstrate that the Earth itself was an inertial — stationary — frame of reference.]
Despite this lack of experimental proof that the Earth is in motion, at no time did physicists even consider the possibility that the Earth could be at rest and the “aether” moved over the top of it — caused by the sidereal motion of the stars above — an oversight that would have enormous implications for physics attempting to move forward, as we shall see.
With this unproven presumption of Earth’s movement in mind, then, the only dispute about the “aether” was whether it was stationary or slightly lagged behind the Earth as it rotated and orbited the Sun.
In other words, if the Earth is orbiting the Sun through the “aether” at a speed of 66,600 miles per hour (or 29.78 kilometers per second), light will take longer to travel in different directions relative to that motion:
“If the Earth is traveling through an aether medium, a light beam traveling parallel to the flow of that aether will take longer to reflect back and forth than would a beam traveling perpendicular to the aether, because the increase in elapsed time from traveling against the aether wind is more than the time saved by traveling with the aether wind.”
So in order to measure this difference in travel times of light in different directions, Albert Michelson invented the Interferometer — which used mirrors to split a single beam of light in perpendicular directions and then recombine them in order to detect an interference pattern whose magnitude would be predicted by the speed of the Earth orbiting the sun.
The following video very succinctly explains the Michelson-Morley experiment — whose results failed to detect the orbit of the Earth around the Sun at the presumed speed — nor did it detect sufficient “aether drift” to justify that expected speed:
Most physicists today — like those featured in this video — will almost unanimously claim that the results of these experiments were “null” — that they did not detect any significant interference pattern — and all they “proved” was that the “aether” theory was wrong.
But that is false — Michelson-Morley did, in fact, detect a persistent — albeit small — interference pattern that did confirm a difference in the time it took light to travel in different directions — but just not enough of an interference pattern that was expected if the Earth is indeed traveling at 66,600 miles per hour around the Sun.
In reality, however, light should take longer to travel longer distances regardless of the presence of an “aether” — a crucial fact at the heart of the experiment — a fact that Michelson seemed to be aware of.
As the video explains, the results of the Michelson-Morley experiment created general panic and cognitive dissonance among the scientific community — there was now an objective scientific, repeatable test that demonstrated that the Earth was not, in fact, orbiting the sun at 66,600 miles per hour.
“The data [of Michelson-Morley] were almost unbelievable….there was only one other conclusion to draw — that the Earth was at rest.”
—Bernard Jaffe, chemist and science historian, in his book, Michelson and the Speed of Light, 1960, p.76
Any physicist who denies that the results of this experiment suggested that the Earth was not, in fact, orbiting the sun directly contradict what Albert Michelson himself said about what the results implied:
“The conclusion [of the Michelson-Morley experiments] contradicts the explanation which pre-supposes that the Earth moves.”
—Albert Michelson, physicist
Note what Michelson is saying here — the idea that the Earth is moving is merely a presupposition — a philosophical choice or belief — not a scientifically proven fact.
Since virtually all physicists who wish to keep their jobs cannot even contemplate the possibility that the Earth may be at rest — while the stars, Sun and Move move above it — they have no choice but to focus only on the “aether” results of the experiment, not the more profound implications — a stationary Earth.
It is clear from their introductory comments to their controversial paper that Michelson and Morley were very much aware that both of these issues –aether drift and orbital motion — were being tested with their Interferomenter — writing,
“The discovery of the aberration of light was soon followed by an explanation according to the emission theory. The effect was attributed to a simple composition of the velocity of light with the velocity of the earth in its orbit. The difficulties in this apparently sufficient explanation were overlooked until after an explanation on the undulatory [wave] theory of light was proposed. This new explanation was at first almost as simple as the former. But it failed to account for the fact proved by experiment that the aberration was unchanged when observations were made with a telescope filled with water. For if the tangent of the angle of aberration is the ratio of the velocity of the earth to the velocity of light, then, since the latter velocity in water is three-fourths its velocity in a vacuum, the aberration observed with a water telescope should be four-thirds of its true value [but it was not — CFT].”
–Michelson-Morley, introduction to “On The Relative Motion of the Earth and the Luminous Ether,” American Science Journal, November 1, 1887
Here — right at the beginning of their paper — Michelson-Morley state that their experiment is attempting to explain the “null” results of an earlier 1871 “failed” experiment by British astronomer and mathematician, George Airy — the so-called “Airy’s Failure” — testing for “aether” drift to account for stellar aberrations through a water-filled telescope.
The problem with “stellar aberrations” is that astronomers assume they are caused by the motion of the Earth — and thus the change of position of the observer in relation to the observed object in the sky above them:
“Aberration is….a phenomenon where celestial objects exhibit an apparent motion about their true positions based on the velocity of the observer: It causes objects to appear to be displaced towards the observer’s direction of motion.”
In other words, the definition of stellar aberration could just as easily be explained with the exact opposite presumption — of a stationary earth. Our reworking of the definition shows this:
“Aberration is a phenomenon where celestial objects move from their apparent positions based on their velocity in relation to a stationary observer. It causes celestial objects to appear to be displaced toward their own direction of motion.”
As we pointed out in our previous article on this subject, an influential physicist from Britain — Dennis Sciama — admitted that stellar aberration can be equally explained by a stationary earth:
“Whether the Earth rotates once a day from west to east, as Copernicus taught, or the heavens revolve once a day from east to west, as his predecessors believed, the observable phenomena will be exactly the same. This shows a defect in Newtonian Dynamics, since an empirical science ought not to contain a metaphysical assumption, which can never be proved or disproved by observation.”
—Dennis W. Sciama, British physicist, PhD advisor to Stephen Hawking, in The Unity of the Universe, 1961, p.102-03
And another prominent physicist who studied under Sciama — George Ellis — also admitted the very same fact about a geocentric, stationary earth:
“You cannot disprove the geocentric model. You can only it exclude it….on philosophical grounds.”
—George F.R. Ellis, noted South African physicist
However, this presumption — that it is the Earth’s movement that causes stars to appear to change positions — is the reason why Airy’s experiment on stellar aberration was deemed a “failure” — and it also explains why Michelson concluded that his results could suggest that the Earth is at rest.
Like Michelson-Morley, Airy merely presumed that the Earth was moving in orbit — so when he did not find sufficient “aether drift” to account for his results, his experiment was — and still is — deemed a “failure”.
Mainstream explanations of Airy’s experiment are very careful to state that Airy was soley focused on “aether drift” — and not on proving the Earth is moving — for example:
“Like all other attempts to detect aether drift or drag, Airy obtained a negative result. George Biddell Airy did not set out to discover either a stationary or moving aether. Nor did he set out to prove that the earth itself was either stationary or moving. A simple reading of his paper confirms those facts.”
Based on the fact that Albert Michelson understood that his own results implied that the Earth might not be moving, he must have been also aware that the “negative” results of Airy’s experiment also would suggest the very same thing — regardless of Airy’s original intention.
The following video explains “Airy’s Failure” in very simple terms — and shows that one of the obvious explanations of Airy’s results — which was never considered — was that the Earth itself is not in motion — while the stars rotate above the stationary Earth — which perfectly explains “stellar aberration”:
In our previous introductory article on this controversy, we quoted world renowned physicists and astronomers who stated outright — contrary to the rules of scientific inquiry — that the possibility that the Earth could be stationary cannot even be considered:
“The hypothesis [of a central Earth] cannot be disproved, but it is unwelcome and would only be accepted as a last resort.”
—Edwin Hubble, American astronomer, in his book The Observational Approach To Cosmology, 1937
“You cannot disprove the geocentric model. You can only it exclude it….on philosophical grounds.”
—George F.R. Ellis, noted South African physicist
Even one of the biographers of Albert Einstein — the patron saint of the Globe Model — admitted that the implications of Michelson-Morley were staggering — but the possibility of having to discard the Copernican Principle was simply not an option:
“The problem which now faced science was considerable. For there seemed to be only three alternatives. The first was that the Earth was standing still, which meant scuttling the whole Copernican Theory and was unthinkable…”
—Ronald W. Clark, in Einstein: The Life and Times, 1979, p.109-110
So how would mainstream Physics deal with the results of Michelson-Morley?
Besides simply misinterpreting the results — by claiming that they merely disproved the “aether theory” — they had no choice but attempt to explain them away, not through any actual experiments but rather by coming up with theoretical speculations.
In 1889, Irish physicist — George Fitzgerald — in response to Michelson-Morley, hypothetically suggested — in a letter to the editor of the journal Science — that perhaps their Interferometer apparatus literally contracted during the experiment along its line of motion around the Sun, causing the “null” results observed.
Fitzgerald then suggested someone should conduct some sort of experiment at the Earth’s equator to test his theory — an experiment that was never successfully done.
Instead of doing any such actual experiments to prove this theoretical length contraction proposed by Fitzgerald, in 1892 Dutch physicist Hendrik Lorentz published his paper, “The Relative Motion of the Earth and the Aether,” wherein he attempted to account for the troubling results of the Michelson-Morley experiments — by mathematically working out the what hypothetical contractions proposed by Fitzgerald must be.
In Lorentz’s mathematical solution — known as the Lorentz Transformation — not only did he show what the length contractions must be — if the Earth is orbiting the Sun — he also posited the notion that this motion also caused Time itself to “dilate” — in order to further account for — or explain away — the Michelson-Morley results.
Theoretically, Lorentz claimed, bodies in motion contract in size and time dilates — making light appear to take longer to travel in different directions — problem solved.
The Lorentz Transformation is an example of the logical fallacy “begging the question” — where Lorentz merely presumed that his premise — that the Earth orbited the Sun — was true without ever having proven it scientifically — as Michelson-Morley’s experiments failed to do.
In other words, because Lorentz — and Fitzgerald — presumed that the Earth is orbiting the Sun — the Michelson-Morley results must be wrong, and their theoretical explanation — that motion causes bodies to contract and Time to dilate — must be correct.
However, just as Michelson himself understood the implications of his results, so did Lorentz when he wrote,
“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest…”
—Henrick Lorentz, Dutch physicist
Then French mathematician and “theoretical” physicist — Henri Poincaré — worked out the math to demonstrate how the Lorentz transformations — how moving masses contract and time dilates — could be explained away using relativistic moving frames of reference.
Again, Poincaré merely proposed mathematically how the Michelson-Morley results could be accounted for — without any empirical experiments to refute the results or justify his mathematical formulae — as he conceded in his famous 1905 paper:
“It seems at first that the aberration of light and related optical and electrical phenomena will provide us with a means of determining the absolute motion of the Earth, or rather its motion with respect to the ether, as opposed to its motion with respect to other celestial bodies….Analogous experiments, like that of the water-filled telescope, and all those considering terms no higher than first order relative to the aberration, yielded only negative results; the explanation was soon discovered.
But Michelson, who conceived an experiment sensitive to terms depending on the square of the aberration, failed in turn. It appears that this impossibility to detect the absolute motion of the Earth by experiment is a general law of nature; we are naturally led to admit this law, which we will call the Postulate of Relativity and admit without restriction. Whether or not this postulate, which up to now agrees with experiment, may later be corroborated or disproved by experiments of greater precision, it is interesting in any case to ascertain its consequences.”
—Henri Poincaré, “On the Dynamics of the Electron,” in Comptes rendus, June 4, 1905
Again, the implications of what Poincaré here is saying are profound — because of the presumed motion of the Earth in relation to the Sun and other celestial bodies, it is unlikely that any experiment will ever be able to prove that the Earth is in motion.
In other words, the Earth is in motion, trust me, but we will never be able to prove it.
Poincaré explicitly admits to this frustrating and persistent problem created by Michelson-Morley — yet he refused to accept even the possibility that the Earth was at rest , when he writes,
“Experiments were performed that should have detected the terms of the first order; the results of which were negative; could it be a mere chance? […] Then more precise experiments were performed, they were also negative; could this be too a result of chance [?]“
—Henri Poincaré, “Sur les relations entre la physique expérimentale et la physique mathématique,” in Revue génerale des sciences pures et appliqués 21, 1900, pp. 1163-1175; p. 1172.
The only way for Poincaré to account for the results of Michelson-Morley is to propose a new — and unprovable — “Law of Nature” — that we can never experimentally, objectively demonstrate that the Earth is actually in motion.
In other words, the best that physicists can do is to come up with an explanation of why they cannot actually prove that the Earth is in motion through mathematical models.
Just like Lorentz, Poincaré was forced to concede:
“We do not have — and cannot have — any means of discovering whether or not we are carried along in a uniform motion of translation.”
—Henri Poincaré, French physicist
All experiments appear to show the Earth is not moving — and we cannot do any experiments to prove that it is moving — a theoretical claim which is conveniently unfalsifiable, and therefore, by definition, unscientific.
So if these theoretical explanations were not entirely convincing, they would have to go back and attack Michelson-Morley’s results on the grounds of experimental error — or “chance” as Poincaré described and dismissed.
This claim of “error” proved to be impossible — as since 1887, the Michelson-Morley experiment has been repeated dozens of times, as recently as a few years ago — with millions of measurements — all showing a persistent interference pattern when there should be none.
The most famous replication of Michelson-Morley was undertaken by American physicist and astronomer, Dayton Miller — who partnered with Edward Morley in 1904 — and then again on his own through the 1920s — always getting the same interference results — despite accounting for all possible experimental errors.
In fact, in 1926 the world-famous Albert Einstein himself sent Dayton Miller a rather naive and insulting letter, suggesting perhaps that Miller had failed to account for temperature variations — to which Miller responded,
“The trouble with Professor Einstein is that he knows nothing about my results. […] He ought to give me credit for knowing that temperature differences would affect the results. He wrote to me in November suggesting this. I am not so simple as to make no allowance for temperature.”
–Dayton Miller, Cleveland Plain Dealer, January 27, 1926
The other “trouble” was that unlike Dayton Miller, Einstein was not a real scientist — he never conducted a single experiment in his life to verify his theories — and his theories, like Poincaré’s, were merely attempts at coping with — and explaining away — Michelson-Morley’s — and Dayton Miller’s — persistent and troublesome results.
In fact, Einstein found Miller’s results so disturbing that he went so far as to admit in a private letter that if Dayton Miller’s results were accurate, then Relativity, as originally proposed by Poincaré — and then reified by himself — was doomed:
“I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the [Dayton] Miller Experiments are based on a fundamental error. Otherwise, the whole Relativity Theory collapses like a house of cards.”
—Albert Einstein, in a letter to American physicist, Robert Millikan, June 1921, after Dayton Miller confirmed the results of Michelson-Morley
Indeed, all explanations to account for the results of Michelson-Morley are a literal “house of cards” because they refused to consider or recognize — or even philosophically accept — the possibility that the Earth may be at rest.
Why wouldn’t any of these “scientists” consider this possibility?
The 19th century German scientist Alexander von Humboldt — who was well aware of the work of Issac Newton — explained the Cult of Copernicus succinctly — as fear:
“I have already known a long time that we do not yet have proof for the system of Copernicus, but I shall not take the risk to be the first one attacking it.”
—Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), German natural scientist, explorer
So at the heart of modern physics isn’t objectivity and rationality as we’ve been taught to believe but rather fear — fear of being mocked and ridiculed by your peers — and this fear has percolated down into the hearts of almost everyone on Earth — including Christians despite the apostle Peter’s words:
“But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. ‘Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.’”
—1 Peter 3:14
When you mock so-called Flat Earthers you are internalizing and participating in this institutional fear — without realizing that many of the most famous and lauded scientists have conceded that the Earth, indeed, appears to be stationary.
None dare call it a conspiracy of silence — a conspiracy of consensus — a mental prison — an artificial reality imposed upon our hearts and minds as we kneel at the altar of Scientism which mocks God’s creation.
Christians, too, have internalized this pervasive fear — they fear believing in anything that appears to contradict “settled science” — going so far as to claim that God created the world and man through “Evolution” — or that God created the universe through the “Big Bang” — neither of which have ever been — or could be — scientifically proven.
While some Christians will dismiss — and even mock — Evolution and the Big Bang, they will not dare dismiss the Copernican Principle — that’s a bridge too far — despite that fact that it, too, has never been proven — nor, according to Poincaré — can it ever be proven.
When we fear the judgment of this world over the judgment of God, our relationship with God becomes diminished — we cannot serve two masters.
So at this point, physics found itself at a crossroads — would they accept the persistent results of Michelson-Morley — or would they double-down on the Copernican Model — and go forth where no man had gone before — by contriving an even more elaborate and mind-boggling “house of cards”?
Is their Emperor — Copernicus — wearing any clothes or not?
How will they keep the Earth and the “planets” spinning?
Stay tuned.
You can rent a charter plane and go up to the altitude where you can see the Earth’s curve here: https://challengejetcharter.com/why-do-private-jets-fly-higher/.
You can film it and disprove modern physics to the entire world. But not one of you Flat Earthers has the courage of your “convictions” to do so. you all know flat earth is completely B.S.
ryan —
That website you linked to doesn’t make any claims that you can see earth’s curvature at the higher altitudes that private jets fly at. Why are you making that claim?
The windows in small private jets are even more curved than in commercial jets, so the windows will create even more fake curvature, so why would anyone bother with your challenge?
Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and rent a private jet and show us the images of the curved earth through the curved windows with your curved camera lens?
Crickets.
It looks like the “Van Allen Belt” is actually the dome over the earth….mainstream science is admitting it without admitting it…..
Scientists Discover Impenetrable Barrier 11,500 km above Earth
“It’s almost like theses electrons are running into a glass wall in space. Somewhat like the shields created by force fields on Star Trek that were used to repel alien weapons, we are seeing an invisible shield blocking these electrons. It’s an extremely puzzling phenomenon,” said Prof Baker, who is the first author of the paper published in the journal Nature.”
https://www.sci.news/space/science-impenetrable-barrier-earth-02302.html
“…But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round…”
–The Beatles “Fool on the Hill”
we have like so much proof that tje earth is in motion. like the coriolis effect. precession. measuring stars by parsec. The copernican model was invented because everyone realized 500 years ago that the ptolemic model had become absurd.
Ryan,
The so-called “coriolis effect” isn’t real. Even Wikipedia admits it is not real:
“In physics, the Coriolis force is a fictitious force that acts on objects in motion within a frame of reference that rotates with respect to an inertial frame….”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force
Even the US military admits in their own documents that they do not take the coriolis effect into account when targeting weapons:
https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/27/5f/19/275f19150e2051052a1838f9f8872423.webp?width=568
Not surprising, considering 500 years ago, Italian astronomer Giovanni Battista Riccioli disproved that cannons needed to take into account the rotation of the earth. Many others did the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Battista_Riccioli
Weather patterns disprove the coriolis effect:
https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/48/2c/f5/482cf58609eba9dae8cb574fd805c396.mp4
And as this article points out, the experiments of George Airy disprove that “precession” of stars is caused by the coriolis effect.
You’re right about one thing — “the Copernican model was invented” — but not invented to account for any of these phenomenon, which can be explained perfectly on a flat earth model.
https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/48/2c/f5/482cf58609eba9dae8cb574fd805c396.mp4
It is a real. A ficticious force is a second order force. Its not fictional. The Coriolis effect, or force, is very well proven In how storms rotate, Hadley cells, ect.
I’m sure the US military would post top secret information such as how weapons target on a russian asset site such as Gab lol. Actually when I was in the Marine Corps we were told we would have to BZO our rifles when we went OCONUS because traveling to a different part of the earth would change our ballistics.
The Flat earth Model is a psyop which cannot offer a rational explanation why the sun sets.
Hello Ryan,
“The Flat earth Model is a psyop which cannot offer a rational explanation why the sun sets.”
How on earth can it be a psy-op model? Think about what you’re stating for a moment? The flat earth is mentioned in the bible. It is also in other religions as well.
What is wrong, with the flat earth model, is the actual model. My posts, in this thread have links. Please read them.
The sun doesn’t set. It moves out of our field of vision. Our eyes, at sea level, can see a maximum of 2.87 miles. If you take a piece of paper and draw a diagonal line from the top left to bottom right and top right to bottom left, the line that intersects the middle, is the horizon. The point where they intersect is our focal point. Anything that moves beyond that point leaves our field of vision. Now take a Camera with a zoom lens and you will be able to zoom into that object again. It is because the camera can see farther due to a further focal point than then eye.
This is the reality. You do not see that reality because you are 100% indoctrinated into believing that you live on a spinning ball, that’s spinning around a massive sun (an object that defies all laws of physics as it burns, continually in a vacuum), while hurtling through a massive space, from a ‘big bang’. They have never ONCE sent an actual image, from space, of the earth. Yes, not one. They haven’t because they’ve never left earth, because they cannot pass through the firmament. Outside of the firmament is water, not space.
You cannot begin to comprehend anything I’m stating because you, like the movie ‘The Matrix’, are like Neo was, before his release. You are living in a program. Your mind has been programmed. You accept what you have been told and speak ‘the controller’s language’ too (“flat earth is a psy-op”). You can’t see any curvature at 35,0000 feet. That’s just utter nonsense. If you do, it’s on a TV with a fisheye lens. That’s what they do on all their ‘programs’ that you watch, to be programmed with.
Before I go think about this for a moment; they tell us that the universe is 46.5 billion light years wide, yet one light year would take the space shuttle 37,200 years to travel, at 5 miles per second. They tell us all about a big bang and when it happened 13.8 billion years ago. They tell us it’s 3,950 miles to the centre of the earth YET…..they have only managed to actually travel 7.6 miles into the earth and 6.8 miles deep into the ocean. You don’t see the disconnects???
It’s called having common sense, when you actually consider this. Those who still believe in big bangs, light years, universes, planets and aliens, along with how far it is to the centre of the earth are just, plain, stupid really and lack all ability to think critically, lacking basic common sense. Being raised on Star Trek and other sci-fi has warped people’s perception of reality. They are either living in a Marvel Universe, a video game, Harry Potter or Game of Thrones. Only 144,000 people are going to be saved from the descendants of Adam and when you take into consideration what you and I’ve just stated, you can clearly understand why.
God bless
You know you can see the curve of the earth over 35,000 feet up right?
@Marcus
“The sun doesn’t set. It moves out of our field of vision. Our eyes, at sea level, can see a maximum of 2.87 miles. If you take a piece of paper and draw a diagonal line from the top left to bottom right and top right to bottom left, the line that intersects the middle, is the horizon. The point where they intersect is our focal point. Anything that moves beyond that point leaves our field of vision. Now take a Camera with a zoom lens and you will be able to zoom into that object again. It is because the camera can see farther due to a further focal point than then eye.”
-First thought: I should be able to take a sufficiently powerful telescope walk down to the beach on the pacific ocean and see Japan right now. Also a focal point is not a horizon lol. Since you can see things at different distances (much farther than 3 miles away) your explanation doesn’t make sense. Also just because something is out of focus doesn’t mean you can’t see it.
-Second thought. Your explanation is completely ridiculous. In the flat earth model you should always be able to see the sun as it never goes near the horizon. and the light coming from it will always be present in the atmosphere. There cannot be a night unless the sun somehow goes behind the flat earth. Since it is always daylight on the earth somewhere the sun never sets on the flat earth and it should always be daylight all the time.
“You cannot begin to comprehend anything I’m stating because you, like the movie ‘The Matrix’, are like Neo was, before his release. You are living in a program. Your mind has been programmed. You accept what you have been told and speak ‘the controller’s language’ too (“flat earth is a psy-op”). You can’t see any curvature at 35,0000 feet. That’s just utter nonsense. If you do, it’s on a TV with a fisheye lens. That’s what they do on all their ‘programs’ that you watch, to be programmed with.”
-Arrogant pop culture movie analogy that doesn’t make sense.
– “Before I go think about this for a moment; they tell us that the universe is 46.5 billion light years wide, yet one light year would take the space shuttle 37,200 years to travel, at 5 miles per second. They tell us all about a big bang and when it happened 13.8 billion years ago. They tell us it’s 3,950 miles to the centre of the earth YET…..they have only managed to actually travel 7.6 miles into the earth and 6.8 miles deep into the ocean. You don’t see the disconnects???”
-So what?
“It’s called having common sense, when you actually consider this. Those who still believe in big bangs, light years, universes, planets and aliens, along with how far it is to the centre of the earth are just, plain, stupid really and lack all ability to think critically, lacking basic common sense. Being raised on Star Trek and other sci-fi has warped people’s perception of reality. They are either living in a Marvel Universe, a video game, Harry Potter or Game of Thrones. Only 144,000 people are going to be saved from the descendants of Adam and when you take into consideration what you and I’ve just stated, you can clearly understand why.”
-Arrogant pop culture movie analogy which doesn’t make sense part 2.
@Marcus
Flat Earth is a psyop because it is so absurdly stupid that it makes rational alternative theories look ridiculous by association.
The earth has been well established to be a sphere since before Jesus. If it was good enough for him it is good enough for me. He made it after-all.
God Bless,
Ryan.
Ryan,
There was an excellent interview that G.Edward Griffin gave with Russian dissident, Yuri Bezmenov, back in 1984. The subject matter was ‘ideological subversion’. There are 4 parts to ideological subversion: demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization. It can range between 19.5 to 30.5 years for all stages to be successfully implemented. This interview was given back in 1984 and he staed that the demoralization stage was already complete. I quote:
“As I mentioned before exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures. Even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camp he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When the military boot crashes his, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragic of the situation of demoralization.”
This is sadly precisely where you and the overwhelming majority of the population are. Regardless what you are told, you will never believe it, due to the complete indoctrination that you have succumbed to. Therefore, I will not dissect each of your replies, for there is no need for me to do so, as it’s a waste of my time and yours.
God bless.
ryan,
You said “The earth has been well established to be a sphere since before Jesus. If it was good enough for him it is good enough for me. He made it after-all.”
Really? We’ve read the Bible many times, but we must have missed the part where Jesus, or anybody for that matter, said earth was a sphere. Chapter and verse, please?
And it wasn’t “well established” that the earth was a sphere “before Jesus”. Prove it.
In fact, sphere theory was considered a fringe idea in Greek times.
Fact is, the Ptolemaic model of the solar system was accepted by most people up until the 19th century, and still taught in American school into the 20th century.
Instead of jumping to your “proofs” of a sphere, which aren’t proofs, why don’t you try to refute the information in this article and our previous one on this subject?
Because those two articles refute the idea of spherical earth on a scientific basis by numerous experiments that no one has refuted, including St. Einstein, who himself said it’s impossible to conduct any terrestrial experiments to prove that the earth is rotating around the sun.
Did you read? Sounds like you side with Trudeau and Obama….
Why Did Justin Trudeau Complain Flat Earthers Create ‘Real Problems’ And Take Society To ‘Very Scary Places’?
https://christiansfortruth.com/why-did-justin-trudeau-claim-flat-earthers-create-real-problems-and-take-society-to-very-scary-places/
Marcus,
Thank you for mentioning the Yuri Bezmenov interview.
Let’s not forget it was the judeo-communist USSR that started the fake space race with all of their fake Kosmonauts, fake dogs and monkeys in space, space walks, and satellites — straight out of B-movie Hollywood.
This was part of the demoralization process of the West — to make us feel inferior to the commies.
And their Jewish commrades at NASA went along with it, didn’t challenge any of the commie’s claims, but instead told Americans, basically, that we needed to be part of that demoralization process or “lose face” with the world.
How was the space race demoralizing? It used fake science to “prove” that the Copernican Theory was correct, and that we are not the center of God’s creation, and that we are nothing more than a random speck in the infinite universe.
As we showed in our previous article, helio-centrism has Jewish roots — it was promoted by the Medici family and then promoted by the Jesuits, who were dominated by converso Jews. This was not innocent or in the interests in science — it was an overthrow of God.
How much more Jewish can you get?
And don’t expect someone who has been thoroughly demoralized to ever admit they fell for this psychological warfare — their egos won’t allow it, which is what they count on.
Hello CFT,
You’re most welcome. I watched the interview, over 20 years ago and with every day that passes, watching it again, is even worse than the last due to the continuation of ideological subversion into the younger generations.
You’re very correct. All the space malarkey (well putting it into overdrive as we saw the push in sci-fi comics, radio and books previously) started with the Soviets and yes, the Jew being right at the epicentre, creating more ways to financially profit while distancing mankind further away from their creator. The amount of money they’ve made, from all of this is truly staggering, but it’s the indoctrination that’s far worse.
I also didn’t mean to come across as rude, choosing not to engage in debate with Ryan, but only he can wake up. ‘You can lead a horse to water…’ and all that, but it’s true, as emphasised by Mr Bezmenov. I also don’t want to turn this website into a slagging match, so I’ve bowed out gracefully to keep the peace.
I have never really done extensive research on the Medici family and other well known Italians. When I was younger I listened to and watched Santos Bonacci, who spoke of the Black Nobility and the powerful families of the Aldobrandini, Farnese and Orsini, whom in many circles are believed to be those holding the power. He also stated that the Rockefeller and Rothschilds (Bauer) both belong to the Orsini families and changed their name. It that’s true, then clearly these Italian families, all in fact, were subverted long ago by the Jews. It’s a case of simply following the money isn’t it?
All that stated, you may have or may not have seen (although I’m thinking of the former) G.Edward Griffin’s interview with Norman Dodd on Tax Exempt Foundations? It’s an excellent interview and should be in all truth seekers arsenals.
God bless
Revelation of the Method
When you go to a planetarium, they project the stars and planets on a dome above you.
They are telling you this is reality because they have to tell you, and then laugh at you when you believe something completely opposite to that reality, ie the Copernican universe.
https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/61/0c/d9/610cd968d66fd6913d703a3598461a61.jpg?width=568
In my opinion, we live a geocentric universe however I am not convinced of flat earth, at least in the way it is presented. One reason is the circling sun around the AE map does not work when the sun shines in Antarctica for 24 hours.
Jeranism a flat earther recently renounced flat earth because of this (though I think he may be a government shill sent in to discredit alternate cosmology). I don’t see any evidence of curvature and so it is flat so to speak, however the model given by the current flat earth community cannot account for the 24 hour sun, seasons, and flight patterns.
I woke up to flat earth a few years back, and one of the channels I use to watch did a good video on exposing the flat earth model as a psyop (as it is presented) and he presents a much better model of flat earth here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1SS3Vp0QOM.
The Globe theory is riddled with problems, but I do think the Flat Earth community is infested with government shills, and false maps in order to discredit any alternative cosmology to the spinning globe narrative.
Elijah said “Jeranism a flat earther recently renounced flat earth because of this (though I think he may be a government shill sent in to discredit alternate cosmology).”
I never trusted Jeran (Jeranism)….simply because he’s not white. And he’s a blowhard. He spent years refuting the globe earth, then suddenly with the 24 hour sun in Antarctica, he dumps flat earth and is now a glober. Yeah, right.
If he were a truly committed flat earther, his first reaction should have been, “Well, now we need to figure out why there is a 24 hour sun in Antarctica. Our model must be wrong”
He never stopped to think, “Hey, wait, while there is a 24 hour sun on December 21 in Antarctica, then how can the sun also be visible in the extreme north rising and setting on the shortest day of the winter?” How does a globe earth explain that, considering that the earth is allegedly tilted?
But he didn’t even bother to consider that the flat earth models with the sun circling the earth was wrong. He’s not an honest investigator. Shill. Dishonest. Coward. Low IQ. The only job he’s qualified for is, “Do you want fries with your burger”?
Thank you for this good article. You may have credited the clip you showed at the top about the Michelson-Morley experiment but I didn’t see it so I’ll link it here for people to watch the entire film. It’s called, simply, “The Principle”. https://www.theprinciplemovie.com/.
One of the world’s leading geocentrism proponents and Catholic apologists helped create it; his name is Dr. Robert Sungenis.
Religion is faith not science.
If you mingle your faith with science, you end up being stupid.
the speed at earth travel, 30km/sec compared speed at light travel, 300,000 km/sec, a 10,000 times faster, can’t be produced in a lab setting.
2025 is not 1887.
Old stuff has been replaced with modern understanding of relativity and quantum theory.
Anan,
You didn’t read the article very carefully. It clearly states that the Michelson-Morley experiment has been re-created many times since 1887 with ever increasing accuracy — including as recently as a couple of years ago. The results show the same persistent interference pattern.
In fact, the Michelson-Morley instruments were 6 times more accurate than they needed to be to detect the motion of the Earth. If anything, the modern instruments, with their increased accuracy, have simply confirmed that Michelson-Morley’s results are irrefutable.
You also ignore what many contemporary physicists have conceded — that the Earth appears to be the center of the universe, but they choose, for philosophical reasons, to reject such an idea.
It would seem that you are the one mixing your philosophical beliefs with so-called “science”.
Christians are supposed to be humble, because without humility, which gives us the ability to admit that we’ve been wrong or fooled, we can never be open to the truth.
Christians that cling to the globe model do so out of pride, and fear of public ridicule for not going along with the herd.
To be a Christian is to believe in God’s creation, not the authority of scientists. The Bible never says that the earth is a globe, so why do we hold on to that ball like our lives depended on it?
Be humble. Do not fear. The earth is not a globe.
This quote from George Orwell’s “1984” describes the Globe Cult:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
—George Orwell, “1984”
George Orwell was Gaslighting ..
THE NEW WORLD ORDER- BY EUSTACE MULLINS (1992) P.102
The English contingent fighting in Spain for the Communists included Virginia Woolf’s nephew, Julian Bell, who was killed, and Eric Blair, later known as George Orwell. He was in the front line for 112 days before being wounded. He later wrote “1984” a propaganda coup for the World Order which claimed no one would be able to withstand their power. He concluded “1984” with the observation that the future would be marked by a jackboot being stamped into the human face forever.
https://www.heritage-history.com/site/hclass/secret_societies/ebooks/pdf/mullins_order.pdf
We read elsewhere of Catholic bishops and priests being BOILED ALIVE IN HUGE POTS—and NUNS HAVING THEIR BREASTS CUT OFF AND BEING MASS RAPED.
~ The Communists slaughtered 6,549 Spanish priests, 283 helpless nuns and 13 bishops. “In Ciudad Real in the center of Spain, the bishop and every single priest of the diocese were murdered; not one escaped.” –Dr. Warren H. Carroll, 70 Years of the Communist Revolution, pp. 184-185, 188-189. (Also cf. Justo Perez de Urbel, Catholic Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War [Kansas City, Missouri: The Angelus Press, 1993).
Confessions of Stalin;s Agent – Kenneth Goff.
Spanish Civil War and American Communists.
Many never came back.Those who returned were made heroes at specially plan-ned home comings. Elaborate parties were given them at New York. Here the most brazen experiences in sexual promiscuity ever produced by human degeneracy were publicly related.Under the influence of liquor, these returnillg soldiers of the revolution poured out to gleeful listeners, their unspeak-able, barbaric adventures in Spain.They told of raids on convents, where every nun would be repeatedly raped by alternating red beasts until dead. Then their bodies would be piled high, like cordwood, in public places. After being swathed in oil, the torch was applied, and the stench of burning flesh became a sweet odor to the nostrils of these half-crazed Communists.Returning comrades told of their vandalistic destruction of church property.
https://odysee.com/@louismarschalko:2/1948—Confessions-of-Stalins-Agent—Kenneth-Goff:e
Among those revealed to have benefited from slavery are ancestors of the Prime Minister,Jewish David Cameron, former minister Douglas Hogg, authors Graham Greene and George Orwell, poet Elizabeth Barrett Browning, and the new chairman of the Arts Council, Peter Bazalgette. Other prominent names which feature in the records include scions of one of the nation’s oldest banking families, the Barings, and the second Earl of Harewood, Henry Lascelles, an ancestor of the Queen’s cousin. Some families used the money to invest in the railways and other aspects of the industrial revolution; others bought or maintained their country houses, and some used the money for philanthropy. George Orwell’s great-grandfather, Charles Blair, received £4,442, equal to £3m today, for the 218 slaves he owned.The British government paid out £20m to compensate some 3,000 families that owned slaves for the loss of their “property” when slave-ownership was abolished in Britain’s colonies in 1833.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britains-colonial-shame-slave-owners-given-huge-payouts-after-abolition-8508358.html
As I read this article, I’m fascinated by these quotes from scientific luminaries who say they cannot prove that the heavens do not revolve around the earth.
With how prevalent space, especially moon landing, skepticism is in pop culture, it dis doubly intriguing that these quotes that would further that skepticism are not widely known.
However, my cynical side sees that these quotes luminaries lived before the Space Age, and while the moon landing being a hoax is something normal people are reasonably willing to entertain, how would we explain space probes and satellites?
Similarly, the talk in these comments of the Nikon camera led me to look up videos purporting to be using it to film the International Space Station. if the ISS (and other satellites) could still revolve around the Earth if Copernican theory is incorrect, how could it do so in the Flat Earth system?
The ISS space station is right here on earth. So many videos of their fakery.
Space probes in outer space are impossible because getting them into outer space they face the same problems that Apollo did, to pass through the so-called Van Allen Belt of radiation, which would fry all their instruments.
Pesky,
“Space probes in outer space are impossible because getting them into outer space they face the same problems that Apollo did, to pass through the so-called Van Allen Belt of radiation, which would fry all their instruments.”
The Van Allen Belt doesn’t exist, because we’re enclosed. Outside of us is water; who knows how much.
Marcus
That’s why I called it the “so-called” Van Allen Belt….
Thank you CFT and fellow Christian commenters to this and your previous article (FYI some very important links to the discussion in the comments to the previous article);
https://christiansfortruth.com/why-did-justin-trudeau-claim-flat-earthers-create-real-problems-and-take-society-to-very-scary-places/
I am now really re-examining my belief systems.
I have long suspected that there were problems with generally accepted reality, due to the number of lies/true conspiracies we are daily subjected to by the Synagogue of Satan.
I don’t want to admit it publicly yet, but I think you (CFT and commenters) are actually right.
Something is wrong, deliberately so.
Our brainwashing on Globe/Spheroid Earth runs deep.
After I mentioned reading the above previously interesting CFT article on “Flat Earth” (a Satanist enemy-designated derogatory term for apparent reality) to co-workers who were not open to any “Conspiracy Truth”; they all immediately parroted the accepted truths re. “Globe/Spheroid Earth is reality”, without even checking out the contrary evidence (ie the videos cited in the above article’s comments).
Maybe this particular truth is THE ABSOLUTE KEY (much more than the Holocaust being fake) to waking Christians up to the daily deceptions from the Synagogue of Satan- ‘those who call themselves “Jewes/Jews” who are not…’ (the worshippers of Satan/Lucifer; the Ashkenazi ‘Jews’ and their Freemason servants…); and to the reality that the loving God of the New Testament is primary/Jesus Christ is real and primary to our worldly experiences.
Kudos.
—— JB ——–
I heard a wise man once say —- Jewish Power (their stranglehold over the earth) is kin to a Tripod — Having 3 Legs of Power —
1) The Holocaust Industry (and ww2 facts)
2) Absolute Control of Information (owning the press/hollywood etc)
3) Banking/Finance/Money Creation (federal reserve/BIS/IRS etc)
Now ……. if we can topple just ONE leg, the whole Charade comes crashing down.
Out of these 3 legs of power — which is the easiest to topple? I believe, and so did the man who came up with this analogy, believes the Holocaust is the easiest to topple. Because …. FACTS are on our side; and facts are overwhelming. The work has already been laid. There is a tremendous amount to books and information written by very brave peoples of our recent past.
If we can just soften a person’s conscience enough to allow new information — we can demonstrate very easily that the Gas Chamber issue is Myth. Then it just goes from there.
Now, this was an agnostic man. When it comes to “Christians’ —- perhaps CFT is right and that there is another leg that if we topple, their whole charade is revealed —- Identity. “Who are we?” And who are them.
But I know one thing for sure …… from knowing my audience (family, x-friends etc. ) if I were to challenge them firstly on round earth, they would immediately put me in the category of Alex Jones and denying Sandy Hook. I will have lost them forever.
Funny —- as far as conspiracy theories go — I will usually reserve the Moon Landing as one of the LAST conspiracies when talking to newbies. I might start with Nine Eleven, then move to JFK, as both are related. Ironic …. but once I’ve already felt like I lost them — as entertainment, I will tell them I don’t believe we went to the moon — then all of a sudden I am a total joke, which was kind of the point because I don’t want to ever speak to that person ever again.
Anyway …. just my two cents.
All Truth is Truth as Marcus correctly states. I just believe some Truths are harder to accept than others.
Lastly —- “…Spiritual Truths are NOT Intellectual Endeavors…”.
Always remember this, so as to not get too frustrated when witnessing to peoples. Only God can open their souls to Truth.
Cheers.
West,
By using logic to destroy the holocaust, the same can be done with flat earth. As you would educate another, through simple maths, to work out that it would take nearly 90 years to cremate 4.5 million people, in Auschwitz, you can likewise show people a video of a man zooming into the sun on a Nikon P1000 camera with a maximum zoom of 125x optical zoom (375 miles) and ask them how that is mathematically possible?
This deception came a long time before the holohoax. Don’t get me wrong, the holohoax is the bedrock of the state of Israel’s validity, but flat earth, is foundation of Jewish lies. They’ve not only made billions from it, but are using it to herald in their control grid. The smart cities, that are appearing throughout the west, are effectively the Jews, putting the white man in ghettos, as they were in the past to protect whites from them.
“you can likewise show people a video of a man zooming into the sun on a Nikon P1000 camera”
I watched one of those videos on YouTube. It was interesting but I’m not sure what it proves.
Admittedly, my knee-jerk reaction is to wonder why this zoom isn’t applied to scoping out the Apollo landing sites on the moon.
As well as the observation that these Nikon zoom videos are openly available on YouTube, while Holohoax videos are not.
RB
I always wondered why they never pointed the Hubble or Webb space telescopes at the moon and zoom in on the Apollo landing sites. That would seem like a no brainer, but they never did it.
Why not? I think we know why not.
RB,
“I watched one of those videos on YouTube. It was interesting but I’m not sure what it proves.”
The zoom on a P1000 is 125x meaning that it can bring something 375 miles away, into the focal range of the eye. So, when you look at these videos, you are effectively using a device that can only magnify something up to 375 miles away, within the 3 mile range of the eye, yet somehow is managing to do it with the sun, we are told, is 93 million miles away. RB, it is a logical impossibility. What the video proves is the sun is local and my estimate, between 5-7 miles up, hovering around cloud cover at 26,000 to 37,000 feet up (5-7 miles).
West-
I learnt something similar
1, banking(without finance they have no power).
2, media as to control the minds of the masses
3, politics (after the masses have had their minds made up for them by the media they will vote accordingly and the political parties will be waiting with open arms for the gullible sheep).
>they all immediately parroted the accepted truths.
They=fully vaccinated.
What can you do?lol
Yes, just about anything can be faked. But for now I’m staying nuetral.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumnavigation_world_record_progression
The idea that the Earth is stationary and at the centre of this universe is logical, and I believe, can be inferred if not proven by Scripture. It can also be inferred by ‘science’ as we see here.
‘Flat earth’ cannot be shown by either nor supported by logic. Or even observation.
Interesting that the article [correctly] states that einstein was not a real scientist; his most famous ‘contribution’ was the Theory of Relativity which was plagiarised from an Italian scientific journal’s pages 5 years prior. [and has been shown to be an approximation at best, not the ironclad ‘law’ as is supposed]
His big experiment was trying to show that one could indeed remove one’s socks without taking the shoes off first… well, that and banging his 14 year old cousin. He flunked high school algebra as I remember reading. einstein was just the face of jew propaganda.
We may never know conclusively in this life, as some things are not meant to be known. But, it is an interesting subject to contemplate. Not a hill to die on though imnsho as some apparently posit; I believe we have more important issues – interesting as this may be – to attend to.
But bless anyone who brings truth on any subject!
john844,
Yes, we would agree with you — there are more important issues for Christians; however, we thought it was important that Christians should at least understand the issue from both sides — and at least understand why they believe what they believe.
We do not believe there should be any conflict between our faith and real science — because real science will always reveal the glory of God’s creation.
Unfortunately, what passes as science nowadays is often no more than metaphysics cloaked in mathematically wizardry — as Nikola Tesla said.
And unless Christians know the basic concepts behind this issue, they will instinctively bow down to the “scientists” — just as how Christians who do not study on their own, especially the translations, will bow down to their pastors who “know better”.
John 844,
“I believe we have more important issues”
What on earth, could be more important?
It’s interesting but you and CFT both believe the same, yet open your bible and read the very first passage? The first thing YHWH created was the earth and the heavens. If they can if they can make people believe the earth is round, then they can make people believe anything….and they have.
Marcus,
When we say there are “more important issues”, we mean that the salvation of Christian Israel is the most important issue bar none.
We think the Identity message is of primary importance to spread first — the Identity Gospel — that is our commission.
If you drop flat earth or biblical earth on someone prior to the Identity message, you might lose them. If they’ve accepted the Identity Gospel, they might be more open to the flat or biblical earth message.
We must always consider our audience first — there is no “one size fits all” when it comes to convincing them of the biblical truths.
The flat earth community is full of non-whites and jews, which can be very problematic for someone who doesn’t first understand the Identity Gospel — and this may cause them to stumble.
Take Dustin Nemos, for example — he has become prominent in flat earth circles — but he teaches a babylonian two seedline CI doctrine while he has an Asian wife and mamzer children . If someone learned of FE through him, they may reject the true Identity Gospel and become lost.
It is our conviction that we must first have the “full armor of God” — the true Gospel — before we wade into the world of flat or biblical earth for that reason.
“…We think the Identity message is of primary importance to spread first — the Identity Gospel — that is our commission….”
Well Stated and well observed.
CFT,
I would never dream of telling another what they should or shouldn’t do. Your message on Christian Identity is what this website is all about and why it’s here. This is your message.
It was flat earth that actually brought me to Christian identity.
Marcus,
We are glad to hear that you found CI after researching flat earth — we have seen a few others in the FE community, without naming names, who came along that same path. But you are probably an exception — FE can just as easily lead people astray.
Take, for example, Eric Dubay, probably the most prominent and influential figure in FE for the last 10 years — he has an asian wife with ties to freemasonry and eastern paganism. Or the jew, Dave Weiss, who has managed to turn FE into a commercial enterprise while promoting nutty ideas of universal brotherhood steeped in eastern mysticism. Or Austin Witsit (who has some jewish ancestry), who single-handedly undermined the FE movement by going all-in denying the 24-hour sun in Antarctica.
So you are very fortunate to not have gotten lost in the weeds.
Others arrived via different paths, such as 9/11, JFK, the holocaust, the JQ, or the race question — however, what’s important is arriving at the Identity message — and the salvation of our people.
We know from being at this for over 30 years, that all too often people get stuck along these paths — they will devote years, if not the rest of their lives to exposing any number of these conspiracies without progressing to any higher truths — as such, these issues can very easily become stumbling blocks rather than what they should be — steps along their journey to Christ.
Over the years at CFT, FE has been brought up in the comments from time to time, but one of the persistent responses to it has been, “Okay, if true, how does this knowledge make you a better Christian?”
We think that’s the crucial issue — flat earth, we believe, can bring people, especially Christians, closer to God and more convicted in the Gospels, as you would seem to agree.
And while we would agree with you that jews have used the Globe Model to keep us in ignorance and to consolidate their spell over humanity, we would also agree with West that their power primarily comes from their control of banking, the media, and the holocaust — and of those three, the holocaust is their Achilles heel, which is far easier to disprove than the Globe Model for most people.
It’s a far more difficult argument to make that the Globe Earth is a uniquely “jewish” deception — we’re not saying it couldn’t be done — but that argument has yet to be methodically laid out. If you’d like to write such an article, we’d be more than happy to consider publishing it here. Perhaps it would be an important contribution.
Thank you for all your insights — you have offered a unique perspective on this issue.
CFT,
I wasn’t led astray because if the truth is within you, you will always seek it.
It was Eric Dubay who got me started with flat earth. And then I just researched more and more afterwards. Mark Sergeant also has been an influential figure as well, but overall, I approached flat earth, as I did the holocaust, simply by using logic. I awoke 30 years ago, to what was going on (only in the last 20 years to the Jewish Question and last 10 years on Flat Earth) in this world and it was David Icke who opened my eyes.
Although I’ve moved far past what he could ever teach me and certainly, like DuBay has dubious ‘connections’, he still helped me a lot in blowing away the smoke and smashing the mirrors. It’s also the same with Alex Jones. He’s woken up a lot of people although he, like David Icke, is clearly controlled opposition.
As you will know, Ezra Pound in answer to the Jewish question stated to keep them out of Banking, Politics and Academia. That was back then, but now they’ve taken full control through the entertainment industry, none more so than western cinema and TV. And yes, they’ve even stated that they control all of these establishments, so the proof’s there, from their own words, but as I stated, I approached this logically.
The truth about the Holocaust will do irreparable damage to Jews and Israel and get people asking questions, which will ultimately lead them to Yahshua, some far, far sooner than others.
I will certainly consider writing an article, however you’ve already posted two articles, on flat earth since your return, which I think is more than enough for now. Your site is very important and I would never want to detract from your message. It’s opening up the eyes of those who come here and fulfilling scripture.
I’m glad I could contribute with my replies. I have come here to educate myself on the wealth of invaluable articles you have here.
God bless
Marcus,
We have at least one more article planned on the subject — but we are focusing on falsifying the Globe Model so that Christians who believe in it understand what they are defending, which is smoke and mirrors.
We do not intend to rehash all the physical evidence and experiments that show the earth cannot be a curved ball — as you know, there are many better resources for that.
That said, our offer stands — if you have an idea for an article that specifically addresses how the jews use Globe earth to further their control, and undermine Christianity, we would be interested in considering it.
—– Marcus —-
Greetings. Great comments and information on the refutation of a spinning globe. I think it is a fascinating discussion. If only we had an accurate “Visual” representation.
I suspect the reason we don’t, is because this would obviously blow their whole agenda. Many interesting Questions — Begging the Question here.
Why don’t the other Races (i.e., the Chinese) expose this heresy? Did not the Chinese launch a satellite up into — what do we call it? Or is that all a lie — Satellites etc., etc. Did not someone recently allegedly send some kind of “something” which traveled to the moon to take pictures?
Honestly …. I hardly believe ANYTHING that comes out of the Jew Media anymore. Surely, “rockets” go up somewhere. What do we call that “somewhere”? How far can something actually go?
Anyway — Marcus, if you were a great artist, how would you draw our World? Do you know of a website or something that BEST represents what our Earth/World would look like from above? Are their planets? I remember my half-brother (genius. Went to Cal Tech at age 17) had a telescope and was into looking at “planets” etc.
Lastly — you wrote something very interesting, and I believe, is a Great Conversation as it relates to our actual Salvation — our Journey towards Eternal Life. The Narrow Road that Leads to Eternal Life …..
You said, “…. because if the truth is within you, you will always seek it…..”
Now — this is a correct statement. However, as I know first hand, this statement can also be twisted to mean something else. I am not accusing you of doing so. I have no idea of what you believe here. I would like to know what you believe.
This has to do with the argument/debate of “Once Saved Always Saved” — or in Christian Identity parlance — “All Israel will be Saved”.
It is the debate between Arminianism vs. Calvinism. Etc., etc.
IF THE TRUTH IS WITHIN YOU. If ….. well, what happens if/when the “truth” leaves you. Rhetorical.
We can “Fall Away” from the Faith. We can grieve the Holy Spirit. We can “Shipwreck” our Faith. We can NOT endure to the end to be saved. Etc., etc.
Jesus said — “…. “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned….”
Evangelical Judeo-Christianity will say that the “Christian” will ALWAYS abide and or this passage above only applies to “rewards”. I.E., the Christian who does not continue to abide was — “Never Really Saved to Begin With”.
There is hardly a brick and mortar church that exists on the Earth that teaches that the born-again, spirit filled Christian can “fall from the faith”. Be written OUT of the Lamb’s book of life
In my opinion — this is a very dangerous belief. I call it (osas) Kryptonite for the Soul.
Preservation vs. Perseverance.
Preservation is the Calvinist belief that once you are “saved”, no matter how one lives their life — God will preserve them. Even in Sin.
Perseverance, also used by the Calvinist — SHOULD mean that the Christian can fall from the faith. It is a cooperation with the Father — “abide in Me and I in you”.
“Keep My Commands”. Etc.
This, in my opinion, is one of the most important teachings in all of Christianity. It is the reason why the “Falling Away” has already happened; or it is near it’s completion. It is the reason why Christianity is DEAD. In my opinion.
What position do you take Marcus?
See also — https://christiansfortruth.com/will-all-israel-be-saved-or-just-a-remnant/
Hello West,
Firstly thank you and secondly there are many representations on the internet of what the earth looks like. Any searches should bring up a few and most are similar to one another. Bitchute has lots of stuff on the flat earth. You can forget YouTube. After the content creator ‘purge’ of 2019, making way for the main stream media, nothing was really left, unfortunately.
I don’t think we see anything from the Chinese, because let’s face it, they’re communists which obviously equates to Jewish controlled. There was, however, a map of the flat earth found in a Buddhist monastery, dating back to the 10th century. Most satellites end up crashing to the ground, after the balloon they’re tethered to bursts. Seeing as there’s a firmament, well, nothing can get through that. When God opened up the heavens, to flood the earth, he literally opened up the firmament, letting the deluge pour in from outside. You can’t believe anything in the msm now, West. Everything is a lie. “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act” as Orwell wrote. When they launch a rocket, why doesn’t it go straight up? Watch and you’ll see it veers off to the right/left depending on the location, because they’re going to crash it into the sea.
For a true representation of the earth, you need look no further than the moon. The earth is reflected back upon it. There is also the school of thought that it also shows, outside of the ice wall as well.
Stars are wandering stars. What they are, I cannot say, but again, looking at them brings incredibly interesting results. What you see, on the msm and from NASA is CGI and make believe. As I said in a previous reply, if the stars and planets were millions of miles away, there’s not any apparatus, on this earth that could get remotely close into magnifying them for public viewing. All of it’s a deception. It’s ‘The Truman Show’.
“You said, “…. because if the truth is within you, you will always seek it…..””
Yes, West, you are correct. In my acceptance that Yahshua is my saviour and redeemer I am saved. Although, that said, I think I’ve always been saved. From a young age, I just had goodness. I can’t lie. I get ill when I even contemplate it. It’s just wrong. I’d rather take what’s coming telling the truth, no matter how bad, than lie and walk away with nothing. “Thou shalt not bear false witness” is truly a destructive act, when broken. And it’s precisely why we’re in the mess we’re in today. The Jews are openly allowed to lie to the goyim and the Muslim is allowed ‘taqiyya’, both showing they have nothing to so with YHWH’s commandments or scripture.
I strayed from the path, although I always felt uneasy, but thankfully I’m back on it. I had to do it, because I needed to understand. Just as the greatest winners in life, lost, I had to be lost, to be found, knowing now, truly, I’ve won.
“Preservation vs. Perseverance.
Preservation is the Calvinist belief that once you are “saved”, no matter how one lives their life — God will preserve them. Even in Sin.”
I agree with you that it is a ridiculous belief. How can one be saved, when they live in sin? There’s no magic ticket into heaven. It has to be earned and one does that by being righteous, good but not weak, strong but at the same time gentle. If you are going to be a Christian, you have to play by the rules. As you know Revelation 10:9-10 (KJV):
“And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. And I took the little book out of the angel’s hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.”
It’s a lonely path and I’m finding it harder and harder to live where I am because of it, pushing away former acquaintances because of their life styles. However, I’m making plans to relieve the situation and get away. I’ll never abandon my beautiful Scotland, but the remote Highlands are calling me and city life is draining me. I am tired of living around ungodly, stupid, ignorant, selfish, arrogant, vain, prideful, greedy, avaricious, sloths. I’ve done my utmost to try and wake them, but they are not interested in the least. I’ve been trying to awaken people for 30 years, much to ridicule, pillory and castigation.
God bless
—- Marcus —-
Thank you for the reply. Nice to know we are “one in Spirit”.
I appreciate you being transparent and sharing your story. You are certainly not alone. I share a similar circumstance.
If you were interested in having fellowship in email/phone — contact CFT and I’m sure they would give you my personal email address.
Peace, safety and good health to you in the coming years. Cheers brother, West
Hello West,
We certainly are. If only people were more transparent, this world would be a far better place.
That’s a very kind offer and I certainly will take you up on it.
Thank you
God bless
I was the same too Marcus, first I woke up to flat earth, than the holohoax and the rest followed. Though now I realize that the circling sun flat earth model is incorrect as it doesn’t account for the 24 hour sun in Antarctica.
I highly recommend this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1SS3Vp0QOM for a more accurate flat earth model.
It also seems like the Flat Earth movement has been infested with shills, which is why I think we should call out their false FE model.
God Bless.
Hello Elijah,
I’ll look into this more as it’s something I’ve not come across. There’s still lots for me to learn on Flat Earth and really, I’ve just been so busy, of late, that I don’t have the time to put aside for it. There’s just far too much to do and so little time to do it.
Obviously the Antarctica situation needs to be addressed and this certainly goes a long way into doing so. That stated, what proof do we really have that the 24 hour sun is in Antarctica and not at the north pole?
They’ve lied about everything else, after all and on top of that, courtesy of the Antarctica treaty (effective of 1961), no one has access to Antarctica, other than people affiliated with governments, needing military clearance to go there.
Considering that Antarctica is an Ice wall and is all around us and many have established that we don’t live on a spinning globe, then the concept of a 24 hour sun is utterly absurd. There’s much more to this that we’re being told. Well, there’s a shock!
God bless
Hello Elijah,
This is more of a, what I believe, a better representation of the earth than the video you’ve linked too. I’ve been looking at the moon and its relation to the earth and more so, bible passages (and Book of Enoch) which speak of the 4 corners of the world. We’re looking at this wrong and the actual flat earth map is wrong. What you’ll see in the video is that the sun and the moon rotate, moving inwards and outwards (Equator to Cancer to Equator to Capricorn) which gives us the seasons, however, our earth is MUCH larger. The moon and sun are in the bottom right quarter of the earth and as they rotate they move anti-clockwise around the whole earth that no one knows about, into the bottom left corner, top left corner and top right corner. All of these are ages and the movement from quarter to quarter takes thousands of years.
This is also a possible explanation of where the other races came from, if that is, they never came from the Nephilim’s sinning with the beasts.
The Book Of Enoch Was Not Included In The Bible To Hide 4-Quarter Flat Earth & Macroclimate Change!?
The Plasma Moon Mirrors All Continents In Real Time, Showing Earth Is Flat. It’s A Flat-Earth Proof!
God bless
“Christians, too, have internalized this pervasive fear — they fear believing in anything that appears to contradict “settled science” — going so far as to claim that God created the world and man through “Evolution” — or that God created the universe through the “Big Bang” — neither of which have ever been — or could be — scientifically proven.”
Simple explanation to their beliefs is that they’re not Christians but Talmudists. You will most certainly remember what General Cornwallis said to General Washington at the surrender of the British in Yorktown, October 19th 1781, as written in LEGIONS OF SATAN, by Jonathan Williams, but for those who haven’t:
“A holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown.”
Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction:
“Your churches will be used to teach the Jew’s religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry.”
And indeed George Washington himself was a Mason, and he gave back through a false religion what he had won with his army.
This is why so many Christians believe as they do. Nothing more than members of a hippie cult of Jew worship.
If the sun stood still it would mean only one thing to the heliocentrists – that they world had stopped spinning. According to heliocentrists, if the Earth were to suddenly stop spinning, the consequences would be catastrophic. Everything on the surface, including the atmosphere and oceans, would continue moving at the Earth’s rotational speed of around 1,000 mph (1,600 km/h) at the equator, leading to massive destruction.
The sudden halt would cause the atmosphere and oceans to shift violently, triggering earthquakes and tsunamis. Gradually stopping the Earth’s rotation would also have significant effects, such as longer days and nights, disrupted weather patterns, and issues with satellite technology.
We’re still here, so point proven – the earth isn’t spinning. It never did. It’s always been stationary. The heavens rotate, not the earth. Other than obscene amounts of plundering of people’s pockets and, of course, turning the world into an authoritarian dystopian hell, run by the Jews, this was always about denying the existence of YHWH.
Judaism is a religion of self worship, so no room for YHWH in their world.
Forgive me CFT, I forgot to give praise to your very informative and well researched article. You do all of us a favour with your hard work and wisdom.
Hear, hear. Fascinating for sure. But still trying to understand more clearly the “spiritual” ramifications — i.e., how do these beliefs impact my relationship with our Creator on a day to day basis.
Conversely — The settled “science” of “One Blood” seems to have REAL consequences both spiritually and physically — day to day.
Would I break fellowship with a Christian who believes in the Copernicus model?
Versus — would I break fellowship with a Christian who insists we are all One Blood even after researching/studying/praying over the evidence.
Yes to the latter. No to the first.
West,
Hope you’re well. You stated:
“how do these beliefs impact my relationship with our Creator on a day to day basis.” and “Would I break fellowship with a Christian who believes in the Copernicus model?”
Both are deeply connected to one another because as a Christian, it is your duty to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We must never bear false witness. It is a commandment. By having a fellow Christian believe in Heliocentrism, they are living a lie. Did YHWH not state that:
“And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters” (Gen 1:6)?
This is obvious is it not; that YHWH effectively created a bubble within an unimaginable mass of water?
As you will have seen, I have written on the other article’s forum (on Trudeau) about the ‘flat earth’. I don’t particularly like stating ‘flat earth’ as the earth is simply the earth, with the belief in heliocentrism to be a ludicrous one, beyond all doubt, perpetuated by wilful ignorance and deception of the utmost.
The lie that Yahshua was a Jew is on the same importance as the earth being a globe, spinning through a universe, from a ‘big bang’. The belief in a globe earth is the same delusion that makes men think they’re women and women men. It is the same delusion of the ‘good’ Jew. It is the same delusion that homosexuals believe they cannot only sin and attend church, but become preachers in a place of God.
I do not attend church. I’ve always been a self-taught Christian who enjoys his own company more than people could ever imagine. I haven’t time for people really. I choose to live the uncomfortable truth, as a hermit, than the comfortable lie and ‘loved’ by many. If the truth is going to scrape nerves, I’ll speak it, regardless if I end up severing them.
That said, if I did associate with fellow Christians, I’d sit them down and let them know precisely why the earth is flat and how we are not spinning through the universe (whatever that is). This would be an incredibly long conversation because everything is inextricably linked to one another.
Flat Earth is linked to YHWH, to Yahshua, to Christianity, therefore to white people, to Jews and their creations and control over this world. It is linked to the new world order, to the entertainment industry who make movie after movie, working with the comic industry (both as you know heavily controlled) to keep the lie alive. Not only that, but in these movies they also promote their future world, all the gadgets you can have, that lead ultimately to complete control over your mind, body and spirit.
Flat earth isn’t just some nonchalant topic to prattle over in company, but the very glue that binds mankind, YHWH and Yahshua together.
thank you marcus, your words mean much to me.
While i rarely comment like this, i say, seeking what is true is of utmost importance, has become my only interest really, for that is where divine is, where i long to be;
In this endeavor i too, am a ‘hermit’ of sorts, as hue-man holds no interest in what is true; lost last ‘friends’ during covid lie, and stationary earth, as it conclusively is (as is holocaust conclusively false), well, hu-mans deny what is true, and so to hear you speak of this phenomena from seeking what is true, helps me to find i am not experientially alone —
oh and the lil’ chestnut of usury….(for another day perhaps)
‘if the truth is within you, you will always seek it’
Hello Zak,
You’re most welcome and not only seeking the truth but delivering it to others is the only way. I am sorry to read that you’ve lost ‘friends’, but then you have to ask yourself; were they really friends?
As I stated in my reply to West, I’ve had enough of people around me and I’m just working harder to get out of the city and into the countryside of Scotland. Your situation is my situation and there are many others like us.
I’m sure lots frequent this comment section, as walking the true path is a lonely one, but fulfilling, for as John 8:32 states: “Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free”.
God bless
My mind works in such a way that I cannot understand explanations such as the ones in this article. I have read other explanations both for and against the Copernican model and the stationary earth model (flat earth) and similarly have been baffled.
That being said, I have read that the earth as sphere model is closely linked to occult ‘science’. And I know that we are being misled at every turn to reject faith and trust in God.
So, I’m not against the possibility that much of what we have been taught about the earth and the solar system/universe is false.
But, what I have a hard time believing is that the earth could be ungainly and ugly, which all depictions of the flat earth I’ve ever seen appear to be. The earth as a globe seems elegant and beautiful as it is depicted.
Of course, I know NASA has faked just about everything they’ve ever ‘discovered’ and I’ve read about how they have fabricated pictures of the earth from space.
So I don’t doubt that the Earth could be quite different from what we’ve all been taught.
But, surely God has created the earth to be beautiful. Any thoughts anybody?
The ancient Greeks claimed that a “sphere” was the most perfect shape, and it is beautiful, but we don’t know what the earth really looks like, and all the models proposed by flat earthers are all just guesses and do not do the reality of it justice.
We shouldn’t reject the idea of a flat, stationary earth for imaginary aesthetic reasons, because that’s how they seduce us to embrace the globe and outer space. Just look at all the “pretty” pictures that NASA’s artists produce….
Eyes On God and Pointer,
good points you both raise. If a “perfect circle” can’t exist (so says science – so take that however you wish to), perhaps a flat earth is just like a pancake… all sort of rough around the edges? Maybe the four corners of the world from antiquity mean the earth is a square or oblong? Maybe it’s a disk shape, like a frisbee?
Isaiah 66.1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
is the earth a footstool shape?
This is all a fascinating topic that I’ve never really contemplated before much as I’ve always just thought of the world as a ball spinning in space, as I was told it is, in schools.
Look up ancient Hebrew cosmology and you’ll see some interesting images and possibilities for the shape of the earth with the firmament separating the waters above from the waters below.