Pope Francis has thrown Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul under the bus to placate Jews over “offensive” comments he allegedly made about their ersatz “books of sacred law,” following a demand for clarification from Israel’s top rabbis, Vatican and Jewish community sources said on Monday:
Last month Reuters reported exclusively that Rabbi Rasson Arousi, chair of the Commission of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel for Dialogue with the Holy See, had written a stern letter to the Vatican, saying Francis’ comments appeared to suggest that the Torah, or Jewish law, was obsolete. At a general audience on Aug. 11, the pope said: “The law (Torah) however does not give life.”
“It does not offer the fulfillment of the promise because it is not capable of being able to fulfill it….Those who seek life need to look to the promise and to its fulfillment in Christ. The Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, contains hundreds of commandments for Jews to follow in their everyday lives. The measure of adherence to the wide array of guidelines differs between Orthodox Jews and Reform Jews.
Arousi sent his letter on behalf of the Chief Rabbinate — the supreme rabbinic authority for Judaism in Israel — to Cardinal Kurt Koch, whose Vatican department includes a commission for religious relations with Jews. In the letter Arousi asked Koch to “convey our distress to Pope Francis” and asked for a clarification from the pope to “ensure that any derogatory conclusions drawn from this homily are clearly repudiated.”
Francis then asked Koch to explain that his words on the Torah reflecting on the writings of St. Paul in the New Testament should not be taken as a judgment on Jewish law, the sources said.
Last week Koch sent a letter to Arousi containing a quote made by Pope Francis in 2015: “The Christian confessions find their unity in Christ; Judaism finds its unity in the Torah.” Jewish sources said they saw the Vatican letter as a sign of reconciliation.
For his part, the pope appeared to go out of his way in his last two public appearances to try to clear up what the Vatican considers a misunderstanding. At a general audience on Sept 1, Francis said his words on St. Paul’s writings were “simply a catechesis (teaching homily) … and nothing else”.
At his weekly blessing on Sunday, he offered best wishes to Jews for the upcoming Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, and for the subsequent feasts of Yom Kippur and Sukkot. “May the new year be rich with fruits of peace, and good for those who walk faithfully in the law of the Lord,” he said.
Both Jewish and Vatican sources said the inclusion of the word “law” in what are normally routine greetings was significant and intentional.
Relations between Catholics and Jews were revolutionized in 1965, when the Second Vatican Council repudiated the concept of collective Jewish guilt for the death of Jesus and began decades of inter-religious dialogue. Francis and his two predecessors visited synagogues. Francis has had a very good relationship with Jews. While still archbishop in native Buenos Aires, he co-wrote a book with one of the city’s rabbis, Abraham Skorka, and has maintained a lasting friendship with him.
Pope Francis rarely says anything remotely resembling Christianity these days — but this time, he got it right — no, the Law in and of itself cannot give eternal life — otherwise the advent of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant was pointless.
Israel failed up uphold the Law — and only their Messiah could get them out from the Law — and Christ came and created a new covenant with Israel so that they could be saved through faith rather than the letter of the Law, which brought death.
No doubt, the Law still applied — as Paul made clear — but the rituals of the Law were done away with — and that’s what the Jews tenaciously cling to — the empty rituals that are impossible to maintain, as James 2:10 tells us, “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.”
But all of this contention is a moot point because today’s Jews are not Israelites — they are imposters — anti-Christs in black Halloween costumes pretending to be the children of Israel.
And it was the Catholic Church that allowed these mischling “Jews” to convert to “Christianity” and infiltrate the Church — so much so that the early Jesuit order became known as a virtual “Jewish synagogue.”
And many of these satanic conversos rose in the ranks, like Francis, to become Pope — as detailed in Joachim Prinz’s book, Popes From The Ghetto — which “coincidentally” was published in 1966 around the time of Vatican II.
Yes, there was a time when the Popes called out the Jews about the profane, anti-Christ sentiments in their Talmud — and even burned the Talmud in front of Notre Dame — or sainted Christian children who had been murdered by Jews in their satanic blood rituals.
But those days are long gone — the Jewish Archbishop of Canterbury has officially blamed all Christians for the “Holocaust.”
Now the criticism or “inter-faith dialogue” is a one-way street from Tel Aviv to the Vatican — and the Church continuously compromises to appease the unappeasable anti-Christs — even allowing them to remove verses from the New Testament that “offend” Satan’s minions.
Christians have given up so much ground to the Jews that Christianity is becoming indistinguishable from Judaism — and many Christians worship the Jews rather than Jesus Christ.
And none of those Judaized Christians think for a second that Luke 18:8 is talking about them:
“I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?”
The Pope’s Rabbi, Abraham Skorka, on Meaningful Interfaith Dialogue
so the pope francis has a rabbi
https://youtu.be/t8hjysg8M1w
I HOPE GOD SEND THAT FAKE CHRISTIAN TO THE HOTTEST PART OF HELL.
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4 • The Bible tells us that the Saints in Heaven are part of our family.
Where does the Bible say that the saints are in Heaven right now? Where does the Bible say that anyone “goes to heaven” immediately after dying?
5 • Just as you might ask a friend or relative to pray for you, we ask our friends and relatives in Heaven, including Mary, to pray for us.
Please provide one example of anyone in the Bible asking anyone not in the corporeal realm for help or intercession (except for Jesus).
6 • The Bible approves of asking for the intercession of Angels and Saints and gives an instance of Mary’s intercession at the Feast of Cana. She asked her Son to help others.
7 • Just as you might ask your Mom to intercede with Dad because you are in trouble, similarly we can ask Mary to intercede for us, just as she did at Cana.
I don’t understand how Mary asking Christ to help them with the wine at the feast supports your case.
9 • Just as Moses and Solomon made statues of Angels (and even animals!), we make statues.
When Moses’ serpent was created, it literally healed people of their afflictions. It was also a shadow of Christ Himself. Moses’ serpent is a bad example to use, unless anyone can make a statue that heals people or prefigures Christ. Even so, Moses’ serpent was ultimately destroyed because it misled the people (2 Kings 18:4).
Where did Moses and/or Solomon make statues of angels?
https://www.ucg.org/united-news/did-roman-gods-morph-into-christian-saints
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianization_of_saints_and_feasts
https://classroom.synonym.com/catholic-saints-and-pagan-gods-12085386.html
Here are three links, now that Ive had some time to have a proper look, that are talking about the catholics just using old gods as new saints. Same attributes – new names, and hey presto, paganism disguised as Christianity.
Catholicism is just the same as all other religions: it is a cult led by power hungry egomaniacs hell bent on gathering followers by asserting rules.
No rules need to be adhered to to be a follower of Jesus, for if you love Him you will keep His commandments. A leader rules, a King commands.
I’m going to try again: I started this debate by saying that Catholics worship Mary as a godess. I stand by that statement.
Here is my definition of pray: asking someone to do something. E.g. I pray thee, tell me blah blah blah.
Here is my definition of worship: praying to anyone who is either alive or dead, and asking them to do things for them e.g. miracles, healings, blessings, etc. Example: saying a hail Mary, that’s worship.
We all know the Ten Commandments.
God tells us repeatedly throughout the Bible that He is a jealous God! He is to be worshiped! No one else is to be prayed to! Wether they be living, dead, an idol, another god, it makes no difference. TO GOD GOES THE GLORY.
So, I ask again… can someone please show me verse in a Bible where we are to pray to anyone other than God?
Put another way: Why should I pray to Mary and the saints if they’re not God? Why will God share His Glory with them?
Once again, I’m not asking to divide… I just really wana know.
I have set parameters above… your answer needs to fall in those perameters.
I see Catholics and non-Catholics taking two distinct lines of argument. Catholics say, “Where does the Bible prohibit me from doing x, y and z?” Non-Catholics say, “Where does the Bible say you must do x, y and z?”
CIK’s post above is addressing the Catholic line of argument. That being said, the way I see it, the Catholic line of argument is an argument from ignorance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance). Catholics shift the burden of proof to non-Catholics having to prove them wrong. Moreover, when the burden of proof is thusly shifted, Catholics tacitly admit they aren’t able to prove why they SHOULD be doing x, y and z, no?
Meanwhile the question we should be asking is, “Why WOULD you do something which is completely Biblically unprecedented i.e. pray to something that isn’t God?” The definition of pray would be any attempt at communication with an entity outside of the corporeal realm. The only time anyone in the Bible ever attempted such a thing was when they spoke to God. Every time anyone attempted this communication with something not God, it was shown in a negative light.
We should obviously put visions from angels or of angels into a separate category. Such instances are not prayer and the angels themselves always initiate the contact.
Yes, thanks Grass; you understand what I’m trying to say. Eloquently put.
My, my. You have a SERIOUS FEAR of the truth being told, since you have consistently deleted and excised ANY posts I have made on this site… and you hide that fear behind pretense about being ‘Christian.’ I truly thought this site was a valid one. It clearly is nothing worse than a bunch of unregenerate pagans pretending they either:
No, “Fr. John+”, don’t flatter yourself — we are not afraid of your “truth”. We don’t like your attitude, your haughtiness, your condescension, your hate for your brethren. It seems a common trait of Catholics who show up here. While you are so quick to condemn and judge everyone around you who disagrees with you, you fail to see how your own words condemn you:
“Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15)
You are not welcome to post comments here, and that decision is not up for negotiation. So stop trying to “shame” us into allowing you to abuse other sincere Christians on this site.
I wish every white person would come to a knowledge of themselves and what they believe, that they may be spared the judgement.
We should not wish for our brethren to be condemned, but rather to come to a true knowledge of repentance in Christ.
We do not wish to see Fr. John+ “condemned” by God, but rather condemned by himself, and his own words. Condemned meaning “exposed” or “shown in error”.
“Fr. John” is a Catholic priest. Shut him down!
Dear CFT, Southern Baptists believe in eternal assurance of salvation (once saved always saved). Lutherans among others say that’s heresy.
So, who’s right?
You’ll find some answers to the OSAS heresy here:
https://christiansfortruth.com/will-all-israel-be-saved-or-just-a-remnant/
Citizenfitz,
Curious …. what is your ‘point’ in asking? What do you believe?
I asked you a question elsewhere, that you missed I suppose. Here it is again —
Do you attend a Roman Catholic Congregation that teaches the Bible was written to the White peoples of the world? And do they expose the Jewish Question?
If yes, I’d sure like to know where that Church is. I’d be very interested in attending.
I’m assuming by you coming to CFT, you understand your true racial Identity. Correct?
Must be nice having a brick and mortar church to attend where you get the opportunity to fellowship with like-minded men and women who recognize their Identity as White Adamic men and women.
Hey Westwins, I did reply tpo you but it got roundfiled. If you’re interested swing on over to my Citizenfitz blog and we can talk.
Citizenfitz, a couple of your comments were put in the “circular file” because you were asked direct questions about Catholicism, and you simply deflected the questions, instead of answering them, or if you answered them, you did so in a sarcastic, condescending fashion. We did not wish readers to continue this discussion in such a non-productive way.
No, Cft, I didn’t answer Westwins sarcastically. I was sarcastic with some others only because I’ve id’d them as dunces: Catholics worship Mary as a “goddess”, etc. Just sheer, unprovoked ignorance there.
I’ll sort through the assertions you make in your osas article when I have time tomorrow and get back to you on it.
Khazars are the synagogue of Satan and the “Father” John is obviously a KHAZAR!
The demise of the Catholic Church really gained momentum when they allowed “converted”, non-Israelite racial Jews to become “Christians” and enter the clergy, and even become Pope. It is completely naive to think that these crypto-Jews did not have a deleterious effect on the course of the Church by judaizing it, and judaizing is exactly what they did.
Of course if the Catholic Church was full of crypto-Jews they would proclaim that officially race would not be a consideration for conversion. No wonder Leo X liberalized the Church’s prohibition on usury. Yes, the Medicis were wealthy Florentine crypto-Jews.
The debacle of the Inquisition was all about crypto-Jews and their insincere conversions, and they were investigated and tortured by Torquemada and other crypto-Jews. What a circus.
As a Jewish woman, I don’t really know what to do with comments like this. It’s like it doesn’t actually even matter what I do. You don’t even want me to share your beliefs. That’s somehow part of the problem. I came here wanting to understand but there are not many answers here. What do you want? What do you want us to do? What is there for anyone outside your narrow group? Do you think I’m just going to your hell no matter what? It doesn’t exactly seem loving! But, really, I want to know.
No, Jews are not “going to hell no matter what.” The issue is can Jews sincerely become Christians and completely give up their Jewish identity? History says not. Look at it this way, Jews have had 2,000 years now to convert, and very few have, while virtually every white European did convert. Yet allegedly Jesus Christ was the messiah of “the Jews” and came “only for them”. A negligible number of them have shown any interest. Why?
Could it be that today’s Jews are not, in fact, the Israelites of the OT promises? That seems like the most reasonable explanation. Why did virtually all white Europeans embrace Christ as the messiah? Could it be that they are the true Israel of the Bible? It seems that is the most likely explanation, and the simplest one.
And if today’s Jews are not the true Israel of the Bible, but are rather imposters, as they have admitted in their own books, then they aren’t candidates for the Lake of Fire, which is reserved for true Israelites according to the flesh who reject Christ. And that doesn’t describe today’s Jews. If there is any judgment upon particular Jews, it would be how they treated the true Israelites. If you have not helped subvert Christians, harmed them and their nations, then you have nothing to worry about.
Judaism is for Jews, and they make no attempt to convert the goyim. It’s their religion that they created in reaction to Christianity. Many Jews do not believe in an afterlife for Jews, even many religious Jews believe this. Yet this religion has given Jews comfort and a sense of belonging for the last 1,800 years or so. Despite that, the majority of Jews are atheists, which means they believe that death means nothing more than the lights go out, and that’s that. In that sense, what we believe doesn’t change anything for them. The result is the same.
And we know what the Jewish Talmud says about Christians and white people in general. We, the goyim, are mere cattle fit to be slaves to the Jews and be slaughtered when necessary. Does that “offend” us? No. What else would we expect those who hate Christ to say about his followers? Rabbis say that Christ is in hell burning in excrement. Does that offend us? No, because it’s wishful thinking on the rabbis’ part. Christ is at the right hand of God, and we know it. We know many religious Jews are raised to hate the “unclean” goyim, but that doesn’t offend us, so why would you be offended by what we believe about Jews, which isn’t nearly as bad as what they believe about us?
We love Jesus Christ first and foremost. And then our brethren in Christ, our families, our neighbors in Christ. Hating anyone the way the rabbis hate non-Jews is not what we are commanded to do. It serves no purpose.
“No, Jews are not “going to hell no matter what.” The issue is can Jews sincerely become Christians and completely give up their Jewish identity? History says not. Look at it this way, Jews have had 2,000 years now to convert, and very few have, while virtually every white European did convert. Yet allegedly Jesus Christ was the messiah of “the Jews” and came “only for them”. A negligible number of them have shown any interest. Why?”
I don’t know much about Christian theology but I know enough about history to know that “virtually every white European” didn’t convert just because it spoke to them. There was a millenium of warfare between the first Christians and the conversion of the Lithuanians and many Europeans are leaving the faith today. It seems to be most widely practiced in Africa and Latin America.
“If there is any judgment upon particular Jews, it would be how they treated the true Israelites. If you have not helped subvert Christians, harmed them and their nations, then you have nothing to worry about.”
I wouldn’t say so but I wonder how you would define these terms. Is this a what kind of music I listen to or what I wear to the beach sort of thing or more than that?
“Judaism is for Jews, and they make no attempt to convert the goyim. It’s their religion that they created in reaction to Christianity. Many Jews do not believe in an afterlife for Jews, even many religious Jews believe this. Yet this religion has given Jews comfort and a sense of belonging for the last 1,800 years or so. Despite that, the majority of Jews are atheists, which means they believe that death means nothing more than the lights go out, and that’s that. In that sense, what we believe doesn’t change anything for them. The result is the same.”
So that’s what you think will happen to me? The lights just go out. You’re right that there’s really not much authoritative Jewish teaching on an afterlife but I’ve always believed there has to be something more.
“We know many religious Jews are raised to hate the “unclean” goyim, but that doesn’t offend us, so why would you be offended by what we believe about Jews, which isn’t nearly as bad as what they believe about us?”
I wasn’t raised to hate anyone. I guess it doesn’t really matter what you think happens in the end. If you’re right, then you’re right whether I see you saying it on the internet or not and I’ll probably never know. If you’re wrong, that definitely doesn’t hurt me. But, in the meantime, we are living here on Earth together, so…
How is it a jew , that has no ability to experience a super-natural sentimentality or longing , Sehnsucht for a season of the year in “our” , not your levantine desolate , hemisphere. ?! To use a name , AUtumn, whose spiritual and cultural value you have appropriate, traduced and desecrated? Are you attempting to dissemble again and introduce yourself with the an overture , “we’re all really the same ‘ , No, you are not “going to haell.” That is your province and you have made this earth and a once thriving culture into an unrighteous trade without Christ: love, beauty, truth and driven the Holy Spirit away . Is is some , who will not suffer your hell already by your consummate.
Alright everyone, time to get down to brass tacks: no more beating round the bush from the Catholics reading CFT, please; these are the questions I and others here would like to know:
1. We all know what praying is. We all do it. If I were to pray to Mary and the saints as I pray to God, can Mary and the saints do things for me that the Holy Bible says only God can do?
2. Where in the Holy Bible does it tell me that I can pray, and should pray to Mary and the saints? Feel free to use any translation… use a catholic one if you want… I just wana see the actual verse or verses, please.
I’m not writing to divide anyone or anything, I just really wana know.
First I want to say to all out there that are any sort of Christian, stay united and strong in faith.
As a born and raised Catholic and not an expert in the scripture I can offer my answer to your questions since in my opinion they are easy and don’t require many quotes of scripture.
Prayer to Mary clearly states ‘holy Mary, mother of God pray for us sinners…’ it says ‘pray for us’ so that’s not a supernatural power. Every line in the prayer can be similarly analyzed and there is nothing wrong with it.
Is Mary not full of grace? holy? Mother of God? Can she not pray for us? Are we not sinners? We revere the mother of God yes. We ask her to pray for us.
When it comes to praying to saints, do you think saints are unable to perform miracles? Is it heresy to think that they can?
Jesus instructed his disciples to go and forgive sins, and perform miracles. If you think only God can do that, then are you rejecting Jesus as Christ? The saints are his followers, and disciples, and they act in Jesus’s name. Can we not ask them to do that for us? So do you think they are simply dead and can’t hear us, or again do you question the divinity of Christ and him being able to endow his disciples with these powers?
If I tell others ‘pray for me, I have a terminal illness’ would you say this is witchcraft because I worship people whom I think have divine powers to cure my disease? Of course not. It’s not a sin to ask for prayers.
Christ tells us repeatedly to pray to the Father. He even snubs Mary in Mark 3 as not even being part of His family, because His family are those who follow God in spirit and truth, which Mary apparently did not do.
Praying to any entity other than to God is idolatry.
If you seek God in your life then I suggest you abandon catholicism and repent of idolizing false gods.
“Praying to any entity other than God is idolatry.”
Chapter and verse there, old chap.
I’m not gonna speak for Kevin, but here are the first of the Ten Commandments from God:
Exodus 20
And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments
Rattfinque,
CIK covered that. Honestly, I have a hard time figuring out how someone who identifies as Christian would not already know the first commandment.
I guess it’s a catholic thing.
Catholics obviously don’t see it that way. I’m not a Catholic and I could think of an easy way to rationalize my way out from their perspective.
We need to convince others of our own position on a verse, not assume our own position on a verse.
They obviously know the first commandment, so claiming that they don’t is a ridiculous mischaracterization. Snide remarks like “I guess it’s a catholic thing” are just the icing on the cake. It serves no purpose except to vent your own frustration.
So WHY is praying to Mary and saints idolatry or breaking the first commandment? Your brother is ill and needs your help. At least try to mend his wounds before covering him with your ire.
Grass,
If I deride Catholicism, i deride it for its heresy. I have hardly thrown ire at rattfinque for suggesting that his ignorance be due to catholicism.
Why not try wasting less energy always trying to “appear” to be so loving. Some times a man needs to be checked. His tone with “old chap” suggested he arrogantly doubted the first commandment even existed, that such verses even exist.
Further, catholics don’t follow God, they follow the church and its pantheon of saints.
They are mere pagans, not “brethren.’ If they were to be brethren, then they must abandon pagan idolatry.
In my experience, chatting nicely with such people keeps them too comfortable to change. Also, actually dumping ire on them sends them fleeing.
But being firm in our stance against their idolatry at least lets them know where the buck stops.
Honestly, Christians should not even be fellowshipping with catholics, muslims or a variety of folk i see posting regularly here, and all the more if they refuse to conform to the ways of God then they aren’t brethren.
Perhaps you should narrow your definition of “brother.”
2 Corinthians 6:14-18
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
Out in the mission-field, we have to deal with someone calling us “old chap” from time to time. Sometimes it gets as bad as “old boy”, “good sir”, or heaven-forbid… “BUDDY”!
Grass,
Who is making little “snide” quips now? I have a hard time taking you seriously.
I took his comment as insincere and arrogant. I don’t care what he calls me, but I do care that I fellowship with true believers and not spiritual street workers who welcome all comers.
That is one thing – perhaps the only thing – dual seedliners get right (aside from identifying false israel) – they at least try and stay holy and unequally yoked. They just need a doctrinal enema.
CFT needs one as well. Eating swine meat and fudging revelation 7 to the point of creating a gross salvation doctrine, and all the while dining with unbelievers.
And I thought “well as long as they are honest, it might be worth it.”
Ignoring important issues may seem better than lying or accusing (like other sects do), but it is still dishonest. You guys do ignore discrepancies that call certain assertions you make into question.
Can’t take this place seriously if it can’t meet scriptural criticism humbly and change accordingly.
Kevin, if you believe that CFT is “spiritual street workers who welcome all comers,” we politely request that you find another venue that is more in tune with your values. This is obviously not the place for you.
Grass,
Agreed.
Christ Is King, true enough… but none of that applies here as Catholics don’t “worship” the Virgin Mary as God. She too is a created being; albeit far superior to us in every virtue. We do venerate her as the Mother of God. She was a very lovely woman while on Earth.
And a very influential woman in Heaven.
But if you’d like I can point out, chapter and verse, where people are told to seek out worship.
Alexander, thanks for the clarification. I guess one could explain it and rationalize it, and the way you put it makes it sound reasonable at first glance. Yet at the end of the day, the practice is still never done by anyone in the Bible.
No one doubts Peter and the rest of the apostles could perform miracles and forgive sins, but it’s another thing to entreat them after they have died. Deuteronomy 18:10-11 says “There shall not be found among you anyone who… consults the dead.”
Whether or not the saints can or do pray for us from heaven is immaterial, because we’re not supposed to attempt to communicate with them. They are dead after all, and they haven’t even been resurrected yet.
Romans 8:34, Hebrews 7:25 and Hebrews 9:24 say that Christ Jesus is our intercessor before His Father. Romans 8:26-27 says that both Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit intercede for us. No mention is ever made of saints interceding for us in heaven.
Prayer is so incredibly important to every Christian’s walk, and there are many examples of it in the Bible. At a bare minimum, if it was something we should be doing, shouldn’t we expected that someone in the Bible taught it or did it?
Moses and Elijah haven’t been resurrected either; yet there they were at the Transfiguration.
Indeed, although Elijah never actually died. Also the controversy over Moses’ body (Jude 1:9) combined with his appearing at the transfiguration indicates that he was actually resurrected.
Interesting thought project there: Elijah didn’t die (so far as we know) but was taken bodily into heaven in a quite unusual manner. Moses on the other hand did die… and the devil disputed with St. Michael concerning his body. So, was Moses resurrected? A resounding “MAYBE”. But obviously they were both citizens of Heaven when they spoke with Jesus on the mount of the Transfiguration – and probably Sts. Peter, James and John as well.
The main point is that here we have indisputible proof that people in Heaven CAN and DO communicate with us on Earth. And vice versa.
Therefore those who say people praying to people in Heaven is wrong are wrong.
I’ll take a “MAYBE”… But for Peter, James and John there’s not even a “MAYBE”. Regardless, in the case of the transfiguration, heaven initiated the event. It couldn’t have been prayed for.
Check out this comment to see what I mean: https://christiansfortruth.com/pope-francis-throws-jesus-christ-under-the-bus-pandering-to-offended-rabbis-in-israel/#comment-68057
Jesus unquestionably spoke with Moses and Elijah during His Transfiguration. It’s not unreasonable to assume Peter, James and John did also. The Bible doesn’t say it. But it doesn’t say they didn’t.
In any event Jesus was a man too. He spoke to saints in Heaven. And we are expected to follow His example.
Rattfinque wrote, “The Bible doesn’t say it. But it doesn’t say they didn’t.”
This statement basically sums up the Catholic view of the Bible and how it can be used to say whatever they want it to say and justify whatever doctrine the Church wants to promote. This is the road map for any form of heresy, and praying to Mary for intercession is a heresy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dWzRkePHw
@Trent, your authority said some things in the video that remove him from any consideration as a trustworthy authority:
1. “In my opinion….”
2. “All of us have error, mixed in with truth, in our faith….”
Oh well.
Have you ever asked anyone for help?
“All of us have error, mixed in with truth, in our faith….”
Therefore, the errors of the Catholic Church are acceptable. Again, classic Catholic art of argument….you hang your hat on any ambiguity where you can find self-justification for error. It’s almost as if Catholics suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. We should pray that all Catholics have the dark veil removed from their eyes…
@Trent/Resin. That’s called the “tu quoque” fallacy. Look it up.
Anyway, Catholic doctrine isn’t the “truth mixed with fallacy” that your expert confessed to. It’s all true. Including prayers to saints.
And perhaps you can clarify for us exactly which protestant doctrines he spoke of ARE true. And which are fallacious.
Like all Catholics you create a false dichotomy, claiming that any Christian who is not a Catholic is, ipso facto, a “Protestant”. And therefore is obligated to defend Protestant fallacies. Again, this is the constant shell game that Catholics play. It’s dishonest. Just because you are the first liar, the first purveyor of Christian heresies, does not give Catholics any foundation of truth. Rather they are a false opposition from which the Protestants “rebelled”. And many Protestants, despite their rebellion, accepted many falsehoods of the Catholic Church as part of their “traditions”, such as the baptism of infants.
@Trent/Rezin: Hey man, it was the guy YOU cited as an authority who said, “We all have fallacy, mixed with truth, in our faith.”
So, by your own admission your faith, whatever it is, is fallacious.
But mine isn’t.
Anything to avoid having any kind of legitimate discussion, like even acknowledging an opponent’s arguments in the first place.
It might “make sense” in your subjective mind, but at some point we all need walk into the objective space where we can actually relate with other people. This kind of argument does not defend one’s own beliefs, nor convince the opponent of one’s beliefs. It merely gives the veneer of “having a reason” to publicly hold to a belief, without having to defend it.
Sorry Rattfinque, but it’s akin to someone being caught red-handed in a crime, but who still convinces themselves they did no wrong. Real truth doesn’t fear acknowledging an opponent’s argument. Saddest of all, it cuts all discussion dead. It’s just not good faith.
Rattfinque,
I will ask you the same question I asked of CitizenFitz —
Do you attend a Roman Catholic Congregation that is teaching the truth of our ‘racial’ Heritage? And exposing the “jew” for what they are and what they are not?
Do they teach the reality that the Scriptures are written to White peoples and White peoples only?
If NO, as CitizenFitz has even acknowledged …… why are you still identifying yourselves as Roman Catholic? Weird.
Why not just call yourself a “Follower of Jesus Christ” and then be the example of Who Jesus Christ was and What He requires?
I just find it odd that we are arguing on this forum whether or not the present day Roman Catholic Organization is legitimate or not.
Clearly it is not as pretty much every other brick and mortar “church” in the entire world is VOID of the Holy Spirit.
So …….. do you actually attend a brick and mortar Roman Catholic Congregation? If YES …. what could you possibly gain from such activity.
Friends?
James 4:4
Citizenfitz/Rattfinque, we are requesting that you stop using our site to promote your own website and lure readers over to it. It’s rude. You’ve refused to have any honest debate with others here, and it’s unlikely that they will find you any more honest on your own website. Please stop wasting people’s time.
Grass
The passages you quoted warn not to commit sorcery. It is a stretch to say that praying the rosary for instance is witchcraft and will lead to damnation.
As in law, intent and context of the verse is important. Superstition and sorcery leads us away from God, but prayer brings us closer.
One of the beliefs we hold since the early Church is ‘communion of the saints’ which is in the apostolic creed.
We are the body of Christ and he is the head. This is in Paul’s teaching. Romans 12:4–13, 1 Corinthians 12:12–27.
Persons who died are included in this communion – Hebrews 12:1, ‘Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles’. They are surrounding us and witnessing.
John 1:3, ‘so you can have a fellowship with us’ the gospel creates a fellowship with future generations, not just the generation then living.
So we are surrounded with ‘saints’ (here meaning all Christian brothers and sisters) living and dead, in fellowship, forming the body of Christ.
In terms of intercession, and if it is wrong to ask of Saints to intercede, it is human nature that in our prayers we ask for things. I try to avoid that sometimes, I think it is good in prayer to give thanks and glory to God and not dwell on our problems.
Jesus was often accused of blasphemy and criticized scribes that put literal reading of law before the spirit and intent in order to accuse. From somewhat trivial in Matthew 12:1-8 to Matthew 7:3 to more serious in Matthew 23:24.
I am not saying that you are doing this, I believe your guidance comes from a good place and not hypocrisy, far from it. But the caution is there. We are not going to be one denomination with uniform beliefs any time soon, but we are united in Christ.
“….We are not going to be one denomination with uniform beliefs any time soon….”
Except that Paul exhorts us to be “One in Mind”…..
“…Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment….” 1Corinthians 1:10
Although the “idea” might be sound, Augustine’s — “Essentials” doctrine has been so abused — as to the reason why we have 1500 denominations of the so called Christian Faith.
I would suggest those who desire “Fellowship” of brothers, work very hard and coming to agreements in all things. I believe all things should be anything related to our Obedience to Jesus Christ.
One example — “Eschatology” —- I think we can have differing views of that.
My only thought about this whole Catholic debate is this —- Is there a Roman Catholic Congregation in the entire world that is teaching that White people are the Adamites and Israelites of the Scriptures — and that “modern jewry” are not Israelites????
If the answer is NO ……….. why would anyone call themselves a Roman Catholic??
How about we simply call our selves Followers of Jesus Christ.
Religious discussion with protestants is a lot like playing “Whack a Mole”. When you shut them down on one point they pop back up at another point.
Extra ecclesia nulla salus!
Citizenfitz, you wrote…
“@ CIK. I don’t feel like running all over the field chasing your wild lobs. Citing some bizarre website as an authority you claim Catholics worship The Virgin Mary as a “goddess”.
You’re just wrong”
Mate, like I said, I had a QUICK SQUIZZ round the net and came across a website which seemed to have a few bits and pieces of what I am trying to tell ya. But seriously, I’m not overly fussed with what you want to believe. My family are either Catholics or lapsed, so I am used to this sort of discussion. If you say I’m wrong, well, you seem very certain: I know I’m not wrong, and I’d like you to know that the reformation happened for a reason.
Please, do some research in to why Christmas and Easter fall on the dates and times of year that they do… pagan holidays reinvented with Christian themes. Please, do some research on the pagan Greek and Roman gods and how they morphed in to the Saints.
If CitizenFitz doubts the occult and pagan influences all over the Catholic religion, I would strongly recommend, he or any other Catholic, read Alexander Hyslop’s “The Two Babylons” (1853). This book meticulously documents the babylonian origins of many of the Church’s doctrines and rites, including the cult of Mary. I’ve yet to hear a persuasive refutation of it.
https://christiansfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/The-Two-Babylons.pdf
Do you mean Alexander H(i)slop? Isn’t he the guy who denied Jesus was crucified? Well, what an imaginative fellow! Still, historians remain obstinately unpersuaded by his arguments.
Perhaps you and CIK should bring Jack Chick into the discussion.
In other words you haven’t read his book and take other’s word for it? Like those people who haven’t read “Mein Kampf” because it was written by an “antisemite”?
As William Paley once wrote, “Condemnation prior to investigation is the height of ignorance.”
Yes, confirmed Catholics have a hard time with Two Babylons, and most will remain “unpersuaded”. That proves nothing. There was a Reformation for a reason, and Christians have continued to divide the word for a reason. Catholics are not encouraged to read their Bibles and think for themselves for a reason. The Catholic Church is dying in white nations for a reason. The Church is expanding in the superstitious, ignorant Third World for a reason.
If you want to talk about all the Catholic dotrines and rituals that are in contradiction to the Bible, we can do that, too…..
So, you’re all about the Bible? Tell me, where in the Bible is “Protestant” found?
It is impossible to have a discussion with someone who doesn’t understand basic rules of logic. You are basically arguing that because Protestantism is not “in the Bible”, therefore it’s legitimate for Catholicism to also not be “in the Bible”. You are obviously too emotional to discuss this issue.
Protestantism would not exist if doctrines and rituals of Catholicism, such as indulgences, were biblically justified. The Catholics are responsible for the creation of Protestantism in the same way the Weimar Republic made the rise of Hitler inevitable. Cause and effect.
And by the way, I’m not a “Protestant”, everything you are saying is another logical fallacy called a “strawman” argument.
Au contraire. I understand logic a lot more than you. Probably a great many other things too. And you definitely ARE a protestant. You protest against Catholicism.
So you claim the Bible alone, sola scriptura!, is authoritative. Yet you can’t find “protestantism” anywhere in the Bible. Interesting…. You will “heresy” in the Bible though.
At least Catholics aren’t being hypocritical: claiming sola scriptura one minute then going extra-biblical the next.
You’re welcome.
Citizenfitz, you are the embodiment of a Catholic hypocrite. You are a frequent commenter on this website, and virtually everything that CFT’s readers believe and argue for goes against Catholic teachings and doctrine. Why are you here? Don’t you think you should go to a priest and confess your sins of partaking in this unclean website full of blasphemies that directly contradict what you claim to believe? Someone who argues for the Church so fervently as you, should not be here. Either that, or you’re just a troll.
Citizenfitz,
Just curious — do you attend a Catholic Church that teaches our White Israelite/Adamic Heritage? And speaks to the Jewish Question?
If Yes …. please give me the address. I’d like to attend.
Your assertions and those of the website are built on standard tawdry logical fallacies. To begin with, prior to the rise of Catholicism, there were thousands of pagan religions sporting thousands of religious days. Taking them together means that every single day of the year was somebody’s holiday or religious festival. It would therefore be impossible for a later religion such as Christianity to avoid having its holiday on some day of the year which was not already tainted by older religions.
But then you and your sources take a step further into illogic. You carelessly decide to treat pagan religious days as precursors to Christian holidays, which is simply a contrived assumption on your part, marinated in logical fallacies such as post hoc ergo propter hoc. and begging the question. This is especially evident when different seasons have implicit meanings per se, without relying on any particular religion to assign them significance. I doubt that your motivations for doing all this are based on any good will towards Catholicism and/or Christianity. Instead, as with most such arguments, the perpetrator has a deep-seated grudge and ax to grind. Finally, your own argument can easily be used against you: if indeed the Catholic Church decided for whatever reason to initiate a holiday on the same day as some pagan ritual, that means the Church usurped the pagans and thereby demonstrated to everyone its ascendent, supreme power in doing so.
If only the religious days and their dates were actually from the Bible, but literally none of them are. So one cannot claim they are “Christian holidays” in the first place.
As for your final conclusion, again, if only that holiday or the practice of dominating pagan rituals could be found in the Bible you might have a case.
On the other hand, Israel were commanded time and time again to remove all forms of paganism from among them, and the apostles and elders told the church to abstain from idols (Acts 15:20).
True Christianity has no “holidays” or “holy days”. At a stretch, one could celebrate the Old Testament feasts if they really wanted to, but such is not mandatory.
“I doubt that your motivations for doing all this are based on any good will towards Catholicism and/or Christianity. Instead, as with most such arguments, the perpetrator has a deep-seated grudge and ax to grind.”
What do you charge for an hour long session, doctor? LOL
Do you know me? No. You don’t.
You can do all your assuming and all that jazz till your blue in the face, but until a catholic can show me Holy Bible where it says to pray to saints and Mary and all the other things they do, I will still say that Catholicism is about the worship of the pope, idols, and false gods. Your assertions must come from the Bible if you wish to convince me and others otherwise. After all, I take God as my authority: who do you take as your authority?
O, and another thing: you’ve done a lot of annalizing, but not much actual explaining: no doubt you can tell me why Christmas is on the 25th of December?
Is it a coincidence that the pope has pagan symbols too? Like his fish hat, for example.
Why bother with Alexander Hislop when we have the word of Jack Chick: the Pope wears red sllppers to hide his devil feet!
What more proof is there?
What you mean to say is, “why bother reading a credible book that will destroy my argument when I can just make fun of a guy who believes the Pope has devil’s feet?”
I’ll make it really easy for you, Citizenfitz….here’s a video you can watch, no reading required….showing how Catholicism is unbiblical based on the Scriptures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1xZTPY98Oc
“All heresy begins below the waist.” – Someone
Hislop’s book not a “credible” book. Any more than the video by that goofy protestant preacher you linked to is “credible”. Within the first few minutes he misstates or misrepresents the Catholic case at least three times (e.g., the sacraments) So, no need to watch it further.
Hislop and his ilk aren’t honest people. But do continue believing them if you want to.
Frank (I refuse to call him “pope” or “Francis”) is a crypto-jew. A serpent who has infiltrated the highest ranks of Christianity.
ABORTION is NOT a “REVOLUTION”, but is DEVOLUTION, as we shall discover,soon enough.Women, also who preach,”My Body,My Choice” haven’t realized, the FETuS inside the WOMB also has a RIGHT to its Body !
So what is the ONLY MORAL CHOICE? Bear the Child and Adopt him or her to a loving family
ABORTION is just another Jewish way of reducing the unthinking, easily deceived, among the GENTILE population
Waffenbruder, thank you for your post; and especially the link to Archbishop Vigano’s latest letter. He’s an impressive writer and expositor. One of my favorites. Somehow I’d missed it.
He covers a lot of ground in his long letter but connects quite a few seemingly random dots in putting forward the thesis that what we’re seeing today is the culmination of a long calculated luciferian scheme; with Papamama Francis acting out his assigned role.
Still, having God for an adversary, Satan, aka “Lucifer”, has a very, very serious problem. One question in my mind is whether he’s deceived himself into thinking he can pull it all off, or if he’s just resolved on dragging as many others down with him as possible. Not that it really matters I suppose. We know he’s going to lose… in spectacular fashion.
And thanks to CFT and many others for all the great info found here.
How does heresy begin below the waist?
Just more proof the Jews control the Vatican. Just a public show for the dopes.
I’m just rolling my eyes at this story. The pope and the jews might as well just get married and hop in bed together if they’re gona have lover’s tiffs like this.
Jesus rules. Anything not involving the worship of Jesus is heresy. He who hath not the Son hath not the Father!
The catholic church has had Jesus play second fiddle to their true god, or should that be godess, the Blessed Virgin Mary, for a long, long time.
As much as I dislike the catholic church, I think they’ve done some marvellous things prior to the renaissance. Unighting all Christians in Holy Crusade being the jewel in the crown of the catholic church (and of course the orthodox church too).
But like all things, many popes good work is easily undone by a bad egg… and there’s been many bad eggs in popeland!
Where’d you get the notion Catholics worship Saint Mary as a “goddess”?
I don’t want to sound rude here to you, coz I’m not a rude bloke.
The catholics pray to Mary and the saints. They must therefore believe that they can do things, like blessings, miracles, etc, for them.
The catholic church just took the old Roman gods and goddesses and put new Christian names and faces on to them. The Blessed Virgin Mary is just a new name for Luna the moon Godess… which is why Mary is depicted as having a cresent moon at her feet in art.
Praying to Mary and the saints is acknowledgement that they are equal to Jesus as gods. But there is only ONE God.
The “Mary worshippers” contend they don’t see Mary as a goddess… and the prodestants contend otherwise.
“I don’t want to sound rude here to you, coz I’m not a rude bloke.”
I agree.
“The (C)atholics pray to Mary and the saints. They must therefore believe that they can do things, like blessings, miracles, etc, for them.”
True
“The (C)atholic (C)hurch just took the old Roman gods and goddesses and put new Christian names and faces on to them.”
An example?
“The Blessed Virgin Mary is just a new name for Luna the moon Godess… which is why Mary is depicted as having a cresent moon at her feet in art.”
Yes, she is very blessed. And she is *sometimes*, in Catholic art, depicted as standing on the Moon, sometimes the Earth, sometimes on a cloud. Other times nothing at all. Look up Revelation 12:1 for the reason behind the Moon symbology. It has nothing to do with Luna
“Praying to Mary and the saints is acknowledgement that they are equal to Jesus as gods. But there is only ONE God.”
Yes, there is one God. But praying to saints takes nothing away from God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In fact God is happy to share His glory with the saints. That doesn’t make them “equal”, just blessed and highly favored.
“The “Mary worshippers” contend they don’t see Mary as a goddess… and the prodestants contend otherwise.”
We don’t “worship” Mary. We *venerate* her. Which is her due. See Luke 1:48. The protestants are wrong here.
Pax vobiscum!
Citizenfitz… can you find a teaching to pray to anyone except God in the Bible?
Sorry mate, I’m gonna have to contend this…
” In fact God is happy to share His glory with the saints.”
Commandment one: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Also, have a look at the Roman god Sol, the sun god. Note his halo. Halos aren’t biblical, yet all early church and Roman Catholic church art shows halos. It’s a hang over from the sun god worship. I had a quick squizz round the net… here is a pretty good idea of what I’m talkin about http://piereligion.org/pagansaints.html
@Grass. Sure. How many examples do you want? And I’ll use the KJV.
Give me what you’ve got, if you don’t mind. Hopefully you don’t NEED the KJV for this…
@ CIK. I don’t feel like running all over the field chasing your wild lobs. Citing some bizarre website as an authority you claim Catholics worship The Virgin Mary as a “goddess”.
You’re just wrong.
@Grass. Will do. But first please define what you mean by “prayer”.
Sure, let’s start with a definition which you called true (https://christiansfortruth.com/pope-francis-throws-jesus-christ-under-the-bus-pandering-to-offended-rabbis-in-israel/#comment-67459):
“The (C)atholics pray to Mary and the saints. They must therefore believe that they can do things, like blessings, miracles, etc, for them.”
True
But I asked what *you* mean by prayer. Your definition.
Alright. My definition of prayer is spoken supplication and thanks to God.
But I’m more interested in the Biblical framework for your definition, which includes prayer “to Mary and the saints”, who “can do things, like blessings, miracles, etc”.
@Grass “Prayer” comes from a Latin word, “precari”, meaning to “entreat, implore, etc….”
Which is why you hear prayers being addressed to mere mortals, not only God, many times in the Bible: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=pray&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
You’re welcome.
Yes, I suspected that’s why you started off by saying you’d use the KJV.
But the definition I was interested in hearing your justification on isn’t “entreat, implore, etc….”, it was “to Mary and the saints”, who “can do things, like blessings, miracles, etc”.
So could you provide Scriptural backing for that definition which you agreed to? I mean, if I’m missing something, I’d like to see it.
Proof that Catholics are encouraged to worship Mary as a “goddess” who can do what Christ can do:
“Mary, The Mother Of Perpetual Help Prayer”
Oh, Mother of Perpetual Help,
Thou art the dispenser of the gifts that God grants to us miserable sinners.
And to this end, He has made Thee so powerful,
So rich, and so bountiful that Thou mayest help us in our misery.
Thou art Thee Advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have resource to Thee
Come to my aid, for I recommend myself to Thee
Into Thy Hands I place my eternal salvation
And to thee I entrust my soul
Count me among thy most devoted servants
Take me under thy protection and it is enough for me
For if thou protect me, I fear nothing
Not from my sins because thou wilt obtain the pardon of them
Nor from the devils because thou art more power than all hell together
Nor even from Jesus my judge
Because with one prayer from thee He will be appeased
But one thing I fear, in my hour of temptation I may through negligence
Fail to call on thee and thus perish miserably
Obtain therefore the pardon for my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance
And the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help
Yes, and how do the Catholics justify elevating Mary to Christ’s role as intercessor? Look no further than Isaiah 59:16….which “proves” that God allows “intercessors” other than Christ, and the Catholic Church is free to choose whatever intercessor suits their agenda:
“And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.”
“Proof”? Of what? Where in that turgid prayer is she called “goddess”?
Well, let’s assume for the present it wasn’t in fact written by a protestant – trying to create the argument that Catholics “worship” The Virgin Mary….
Even if it WAS written by a Catholic, so what? It’s still just a turgid prayer. It carries no more doctrinal weight than were I to compose a prayer to her.
I recall when Bergoglio called
them ‘elder brothers in faith’ I just realized this is a reference to Jews as Esau = Edom. Esau hates the younger brother Jacob – Israel.
In a way, the Catholic rejection of Christianity has been an overt model for what has been happening gradually and subliminally in the minds of every Christian.
Whenever the proverbial Jew in our mind “conveys its distress” over our adherence to the Bible, we pander to it by telling ourselves the most intricate lies.
There’s nothing in our minds which says, “Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”
And so just like the world falls to Jews, we fall to ourselves…
Christ came to save Israel, yet he stated that it was necessary that the Jewish priests, scribes, and elders kill him (eg:Matthew 16:21)
Continually this triumvirate is separated from the people of Judea as a villainous entity in Scripture.
Matthew 27 tells us that this triumvirate tricked the men of Israel into having Christ killed, as Peter laments in Acts 2. While Acts 2 tells us that 3,000 Israelites who had been so tricked converted to Christianity, I do not know of any of the triumvirate converting or even expressing regret for their conspiracy to kill Christ.
While we have no shortage of examples of actual Israelites going contrary to God, and even Judah was so bent against God that he lost 2 sons before he got right, this triumvirate still makes me wonder as they seem to have never gotten right with God, which would make them unfortunately unique among Israelites.
Where do you get that Judah was bent against God?
I was lucky to recognise the devil in the supposedly “Christian” church quite a few years ago. We don’t need to show off with gigantic buildings anyway. We can be closer to God in a field or a wood than in one of these monstrosities. Nature is, after all, the direct work of the Creator, “a bible in God’s own handwriting” is how I often put it.
“Last month Reuters reported exclusively that Rabbi Rasson Arousi, chair of the Commission of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel for Dialogue with the Holy See, had written a stern letter to the Vatican, saying Francis’ comments appeared to suggest that the Torah, or Jewish law, was obsolete.”. Of course it is obsolete in the eyes of Rabbi Rasson Arousi and the rest of his Edomite demonic tribesmen. He’s lying through his teeth as it should come as no surprise to anyone who understands who these people are. It is their Talmud or, in when Jesus Christ walked this earth; the “traditions of the elders” . Of course the Pope represents a religious organization that is no more Christian than say Hinduism. Of whether Christian or not, it is just another organization bowing the knee to these evil jews. The Jesuits themselves are a Jewish organization. Layola himself being a crypto Jew.
Who was the last pope that wasn’t a godless bastard? (Trick question! There was never one that wasn’t. )
Pius X. Ever since 1914 they’ve bent over backwards finding ways to compromise with the World.
And the rest of your comment is errant nonsense.
Didn’t the WW2 Pope laugh off the Jews’ claims that ole Adolf was making them ride the holocoaster ?
There might be some decency with him, though I would have more certainty if he had called upon the Catholics to not support any anti-German efforts, or the pinko Wilson.
When was the last time a Pope lambasted a liberal politician for Christian reasons?
https://christiansfortruth.com/jews-easily-exaggerate-document-reveals-why-vatican-was-skeptical-of-jewish-claims-of-wwii-massacre/
Well said, Citizenfitz.
Indeed Sanct Pius X was the last pope who truly reigned the Catholic Church as a vicar of Christ. All the popes following him were corrupted with liberalism in a growing way.
And more good Catholic bishops as successors of the apostles did and still do a faithful pastorate, like French Archbishop Lefebvre, English Bishop Williamson, North-Italian Archbishop Vigano. The Catholic Church is very small but still visible (and will ever be).
Concerning the current pope: sum-up the ASCII-codes of his name BERGOGLIO and you get 666. God has nice ways to give us hints, often decades or centuries before they’re on the table.
Please don’t miss Archbishop Vigano’s recent last-ditch-letter on Lifesite-News from 28 August 2021, the feast of St. Aurelius Augustine. The Archbishop unmasks the Luciferian World Order which started with its victory in 1945 against us Germans, and now shows itself in front of our eyes.
In case links are allowed, here’s the Archbishop’s letter: https://lifesitenews.com/opinion/vigano-considerations-on-the-great-reset-and-the-new-world-order/
Well, there’s a few Catholic readers here, too. I just wanted to add this information from a Catholic point of view. No separation intended, my dear brothers-in-arms from other denominations. We’re fighting the same enemy.
St. Pius X, pray for us!
“…I just wanted to add this information from a Catholic point of view. No separation intended, my dear brothers-in-arms from other denominations. We’re fighting the same enemy.”
Good on you, mate! More Christians of all denominations need to rally around the standard of Christ first and foremost. Alas, many rally around a pope or a preacher or a vicar, etc, and get easily led away from what’s important, and that is that Jesus shall return and He shall reign as King.
With all the thousands of protestant offshoots, vast teaming millions of good Xtians don’t realize who the real enemy is, as you said.