Here we present our transcription of Bertrand Comparet’s essay, God Commands Racial Segregation –which he originally presented at a time in America’s history when our schools — and all levels of society — were being forcefully racially integrated in the 1960s and 1970s– often at the end of a barrel of a gun.
But needless to say, if Comparet were alive today, he would be absolutely shocked just how far this agenda has progressed — to the point that literally every advertisement on television and in print features a mixed race couple.
Most White Christians today do not understand — or even acknowledge — that the Bible commands that we be a separate and holy people because they simply to not understand that those commandments apply to White Christians. They are told that those Old Testament laws were “for the Jews” — and those laws were “done away with” with the advent of Jesus Christ, or so their judeo-Christian dispensational preachers tell them.
Judeo-Christians are taught that racial segregation is, in fact, morally “evil” — and racial integration is “good” — and so they literally cannot comprehend race mixing for what it is — as a punishment from God.
The literal physical remnant of Israel can be found in white Christendom — and all those laws are still in effect, especially the commandment to remain a separate people.
And, yes, Jews impersonating true Israelites have made it abundantly clear that they are behind the racial desegregation of White Christendom, but it is foolish to think, as many White Nationalists do, that if we could just remove Jews from our society or from the corridors of power that somehow we could have our White nations back — but that is not what God has planned for Israel.
White people have been tricked into fighting for a happy White society on a material level — despite the fact that God repeatedly warns us against a material mindset.
Instead we are to seek His Kingdom — seek the hastening of His coming — and seek Israel’s repentance.
Fighting for a prosperous White society is a material endeavor and contrary to what Israel needs. We don’t need to break Jewish power to restore our society — Jews and Satan are just pawns and tools to get Israel to be purified. God said that we cannot have two masters — if we seek the restoration of a material society, we are doomed — but thankfully we are destined to be saved.
These things — the racial desegregation of our society and all the tribulations associated with it — have all happened to fulfill prophecy going forward. The point was always to create a holy people of Israel.
Racial mixing is not an interruption of the creation plan but rather a fulfillment of the creation plan. God assured Israel that a He would preserve a racially pure remnant — and Noah was an earthly symbol or type of that heavenly promise — and the Flood would be part of God’s purification process.
We should see that race-mixing — and the resultant mongrelization — though painful and maddening to observe — needs to happen as a part of the punishment of disobedient Israel. Israel is being punished for its own evil.
There was very little race-mixing in Israel before the time of Christ. For the Israelite people, it has always just been our own evil — and capacity for wickedness — which gets in the way. That’s why so-called “White Nationalism” will always fail — it refuses to acknowledge the inherent evil in our race — instead passing the buck onto “the Jews” and their minions.
Godless White Nationalists live in fear that unless the Jews are stopped — the White race could eventually be destroyed through race mixing — which is exactly what Satan wants them to believe. Satan doesn’t want Whites to see any of this as part of God’s plan to actually preserve them — he wants them instead demoralized into thinking that the Jews are too powerful to stop — and that our fate is in their hands — not in God’s hands — or that somehow Whites can stop God from using the Jews to punish us in kind.
This is not a battle against race-mixers and the products of race-mixers — it’s a battle against our own evil nature which always wants to self-justify and externalize the cause of our own failures — onto the Jews and the other races.
If you wish to listen to Comparet deliver this essay, you’ll find a link below.
Bertrand Comparet:
I want to talk to you about a subject that is of literally life and death importance to ourselves, our families, our civilization, and our race. It is the fact that God commands the segregation of the races.
In the Bible, God repeatedly warns us against any mixing of races — and especially against inter-marriage and mongrelization. Some of this has been overlooked because of imperfect translation out of the Hebrew and Greek languages in which the Bible was originally written. Let’s examine some of these passages and note carefully the exact meaning of the words used in the original languages.
From the very beginning, the commandment not to permit mongrelization is strongly emphasized. For example, Exodus 33, verse 16:
So shall we be separated, I and all of Thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.
Again, in Leviticus, chapter 20, verse 24:
I am the Lord thy God, which have separated you from other people.
And in Joshua 23, verses 12 and 13,
If ye do in any wise go back and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriage with them and go in unto them and they unto you: know for a certainty that they shall be snares and traps unto you and scourges in your sides and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish off from this good land which the Lord your God has given you.
Then Deuteronomy 7, verse 3,
Neither shalt thou make marriages with them: thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
Many warnings are given in the Bible not to mate with “the stranger.” The Hebrew words translated “stranger” in these verses are ”Zuwr”, ”Nekar” and ”Nokri” — each one means “a person of a different race from ours.” There are other Hebrew words — “ger” and “toshab” — meaning persons who are aliens only in a political sense — but [still] of our race.
The warning against race mixing is always against those “strangers” who are Zuwr, Nekar, or Nokri. For example, Proverbs 23, verse 27, tells us,
For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.
The reason for the warning is clear — mongrelization is the worst form of genocide. If you kill 99% of a race, but leave the other 1% pure-blooded, they will in time restore the race. But, when you mongrelize them, you have destroyed that race eternally. Once mixed with the Black or Yellow Races, the White Race would be totally and forever destroyed. Hence, God has forbidden it.
For example, Psalm 144, verses 11 and 12,
Rid me and deliver me from the hand of a strange children…
…And that’s the Hebrew word Nekar, meaning those of another race…
…rid me and deliver me from the hand of strange children whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood: That our sons may be as plants grown up in their youth, that our daughters may be as the polished cornices of a palace.
Then take Jeremiah 2, verses 21 and 25
Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a true seed. How then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me…
…And again that “strange” [used here] is zuwr…
Withhold thy foot from being unshod, and thy throat from thirst: but thou saidest There is no hope: no: for I have loved strangers and after them will I go.
And what was the result of this? Hosea 5, verses 6 and 7 tells it
They shall go with their flocks and their herds to seek the Lord, but they shall not find Him: He hath withdrawn Himself from them. They have health treacherously against the Lord: for they have begotten strange children…
…And again this word zuwr — showing it’s the mixture of a person of another race.
Noah was saved because he was pure-blooded — while [many of] those around him were mongrelized. The sixth chapter of Genesis, verses 2, 4, and 5 record the forbidden mixing of races and the evil results of it. But speaking of Noah, Genesis 6, verse 9, says
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations.
Now that “perfect” is the Hebrew ‘taw-meem” meaning “without blemish or fault,” and the word mis-translated “generations” is the Hebrew ‘to-led-aw‘ which means “descent” or “ancestry”. Noah, therefore, was a just man and without any blemish in his ancestry — no mongrelization. Therefore, Noah and his family were saved while the mongrels were wiped out.
Did you know the mixing of the races — the mongrelization — is the sin for which Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed? Read Jude, verse 7:
Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Those who are trying to force integration in the schools and churches are now beginning to admit that their real purpose is to bring about racial intermarriage. They’ve even deceived certain well-meaning — but ignorant — clergymen into helping them.
Even without inter-marriage, just allowing Negroes into the White churches is a terrible disobedience of God. Do you say, “Well, I didn’t read that in my Bible?” That’s only because mis-translation concealed it from you.
No doubt, you were puzzled if you read Deuteronomy 23, verse 2, as it reads in your King James version of the Bible,
A bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.
You wondered at this — because an illegitimate child is not to blame for the sins of its parents. And besides, why should the penalty extend for ten more generations? They might all be legitimately born.
But the Hebrew word which was mistranslated “bastard” is the word “mamzer” — and it means “a mixture, a hard-breed or mongrel.” It has nothing to do with whether the child’s parents were married, but it refers to the forbidden inter-mixture of races. And that is why the penalty extends for ten generations — and it shows how seriously God treats this sin.
It is true that the mulatto child is not to blame for his parents’ sins — but he is still a mulatto. The first generation would be a half-breed — the second would have at least a quarter of the dark blood — the third at least one-eighth — the fourth generation at least one-sixteenth and so on. Carry that one to the tenth generation, and you will find that there the Negro blood may be as small as one part in 1,024 — yet God himself says that this is too much to be allowed to “enter into the congregation of the Lord.”
Now if you admit that your church is not worthy to be called “the Congregation of the Lord,” then perhaps this doesn’t seriously concern you. But if your church is — or trying to be — “the Congregation of the Lord” — hadn’t you better obey God’s own commandment concerning it? There must be no integration in the churches — it’s a violation of God’s own direct commandment.
The unfortunate children of such marriages are not the guilty ones, of course — the sin is that of their parents. Yet the fact that they cannot help what they are doesn’t change the permanent fact that they are what they are. The experience of thousands of years has demonstrated that the dark races do not have what it takes to produce the White Man’s high civilization. They’ve never had it in their own lands — and they only have it here because we — the White Majority — created it and maintained it.
The mixed breed is the same — it does not have in proper measure those qualities which God so carefully implanted in the white race to carry out certain purposes which He has assigned to them.
Recognition that God Himself made the races different does not imply hatred or contempt for any of them. Difference has its purposes — which must be respected.
I do not expect the family cat to sing like a canary, nor the canary to keep mice out of the kitchen. If I went quail hunting, I wouldn’t expect a horse to point quail for me — neither would I try to saddle and ride the best hunting dog in the world. All the family pets are equally loved — and neither is despised because he can’t do what some other does. But each has his own purpose—and trying to mix them up or interbreed them can only harm them.
Now, I know that there are many people to whom these facts about the Bible are new. There are also many who have learned the evil lesson that they can get more money or more political popularity by violating these laws of God than by obeying them.
Some of you might not like being reminded of these things — but remember, I didn’t write the Bible — God wrote it through His prophets — and His commandments are always right — for our own good, for the very survival of our White race upon the earth — and that we may face our own God with a better conscience, we’d better obey these laws of God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e309rl5njmw
A black guy walked into a restaurant in Miami in broad daylight and randomly shot a 21 year old white man to death, sitting with his family eating and then happily danced away afterward. Interestingly, the white victim had a “latino” wife and a mixed child with her. If this how God uses beasts to punish His people? If so, this wasn’t a “random” murder at all.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/horror-man-opens-fire-kills-tourist-dining-family-miami-beach-dances-body-video/
Acts 17:26 “From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.”
Yes, universalists love this verse, but don’t ever both to read the original Greek, or consider the context. Your translation is off. A more literal translation is, “And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation”
How can all races be of “one blood”? The “nations” that the apostles refer to are the Genesis 10 nations and their descendants, no one else. We know that white Adamkind had dispersed across most of the planet by the time of Christ.
https://scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/act17.pdf
My opinion I believe will bring clarity to this whole ‘race mixing’ dilemma all people find themselves in. First, God called the Jews ‘out from other people’ to set them as an ‘example only’, implementing His laws to show ‘all people’ who God is and what He expects of the behaviors of humanity. They weren’t called ‘His chosen people’ because of anything great about them, race etc., but that He chose them just He could have equally chose anyone. They were ‘seeking a god’ just as other races were seeking a god to believe in. He picked them. Nothing more, nothing less. Now there is a truth that God ordered the Levite Priests to divorce from pagan women they married (which was against God’s laws) and to separate themselves even from the children they bore through those women. They obeyed. But was this separation due to ‘race’ difference, OR because these women came from a race or culture of false god worship? I believe the latter. Having said this, is it a ‘good thing’ to integrate and intermarry races? No. I believe God has created all of these different races to ENJOY their own race, babies born, and their cultures. Yes, we can work together, pray together, eat together, and co-exist. But to keep EACH race pure and intact FOR the betterment of that race and its children, there should be NO intermarrying of the races. It doesn’t make one race better or worse than the other. In fact, it brings the best of each race that God created to the forefront. All races are beautiful in their God created original state. But people have become as ‘a god’ and chose to intermarry and ‘create’ a new race instead of respecting what God created for humanity. If people could grasp this respect towards each other’s race and cultures, keeping them separate only to the degree needed to maintain their own races and cultures, the world would be a better place, indeed.
You must ask yourself why God created the ability to intermix between these three or four over-arching subspecies of mankind.
With Shem, Japheth and Ham, God did actually set a hierarchy, Shem was blessed the most with Japheth under him, and then Ham was left to fester in his own reprobate ways. Canaan was the one who was cursed because he was evidently a product of incest, but even then God gave his descendants hundreds of years to repent before sending Israelites upon them (and even so, they still exist to this day).
If it’s supposed to be that one nation of Shem eventually ministers to the rest of the world alongside their King, thereby serving them as Yashua/ the Word had done for them (not be a tyrannical oligarchy,) then it explains why the genetic system ‘overwrites’ the way it does and not the reverse. The system was not meant to ensure Shemites inherit the entirety of the world, because that would not glorify Shem- it’s not how beauty, rarity or variety works.
Only through comparison can someone look and say “that one is special,” which then bears witness to God.
Each of the tribes of Israel seem to have their own strengths and weaknesses, passed on by their progenitor. It’s the same with the subspecies. We are all products of our ancestors choices and desires, whether that is thousands of years of really sinful habits, or something better.
The genetic ‘edits’ for Shemites or Israelites are not a cosmetic, nor a random mutation, but for a specific purpose, so by nonchalantly tossing it away, and choosing to produce offspring that don’t look like you, you are in-effect spitting in God’s face, but I suppose it refines away sinners, as it seems to be driven by fetishes more than anything else.
If Shemite + Shemite is fine… Israelite + Shemite = Israelite?
but Shemite + Japhethite = Japhethite,
Any + Hamite = Hamite, Any + Canaanite = Canaanite.
Aside from the aspect who whom the progeny ‘belongs to’ and inherits the most from, there is also the aspect of them being a mean between the two parents…
“Blessed is the lion which a man eats so that the lion becomes a man. But cursed is the man whom a lion eats so that the man becomes a lion!” (Gospel of Thomas)
The homily is perfect and I just don’t understand the foreword, that such mongrelization was supposedly planned by God intentionally?
And to the Biblical quotes I would add this, the second most IMPORTANT commandment:
»Love your Neighbour similar to you«. (Mt22:39)
More exactly the whole verse: »Second that similar to him love your neighbour like you«
(they pretend it’s “love like yourself”, but it’s actually “neighbour like yourself”…)
Which references Lv19:18-19 – in this context is that sentence meant:
»You will not avenge and you will not bear grudge against sons of your people
and you will love your neighbour like you.
I am Lord, my commandments you will guard: Your cattle you will not let copulate mixtures, your field you will not sow mixtures, and garment of mixture of linen-wool will not ascend upon you.«
The last sub-sentence can also be translated: “and treason of gallop-jumping will not ascend upon you”
“Neighbour” is someone “like you” or “similar to you”, it is not a strange person of different race…
Then there is Mt13:24-30, the Parable about “The Enemy” sowing weed into the field… Evangelium is not an agronomy hand-book and it is meant foremost ethnically…
And while “weed” and “wheat” are both plants, but they are not equal. And what is wheat in one field, may be weed on another field, as both corn in wheat field and wheat in corn field are weeds…
As some are trying to pretend, that “All People are created Equal” – this is Diabolic Marxist Blunder… Equality means ZERO difference, and zero meaning, being replaceable by any other “equal” one… Instead both on individual and on collective level, all people and all races are Different and Unique.
We are UNIQUE and we should not allow us to be degraded to ZERO difference…
Because by what you Differ from others, in that is your irreplaceable value, both individually and collectively… Those without Difference are without any specific Meaning…
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“….that such mongrelization was supposedly planned by God intentionally?…”
Where do you get this idea? Provide the exact quote.
God sees the Future from the Beginning. Which explain all of the seeming “predestination” passages.
P.A.Semi wrote, “…that such mongrelization was supposedly planned by God intentionally?”
It’s the cause and effect of not keeping His ways. If only we could love Him as we should, then we wouldn’t have to be refined.
“27 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of mankind and the seed of animals. 28 And just as I have watched over them to uproot them, tear them down, ruin, destroy, and bring disaster on them, so I will watch over them to build and to plant them,” declares the Lord.” (Jeremiah 31:27-28)
P.A.Semi wrote, “»Love your Neighbour similar to you«. (Mt22:39)
More exactly the whole verse: »Second that similar to him love your neighbour like you«
(they pretend it’s “love like yourself”, but it’s actually “neighbour like yourself”…)”
No, that’s not what the verse is saying. It’s not what the Hebrew or the Greek is saying. It’s not what the Lord is saying. “In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.” (Matthew 7:12)
P.A.Semi wrote, “Evangelium is not an agronomy hand-book and it is meant foremost ethnically…”
I think even judeo-Christians wouldn’t make this claim. I’ve never, ever heard anyone say that the Lord is literally talking about farming.
The Lord later explains the parable in Matthew 13:36-43, when He says of the weeds in verse 41, “and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness”. The weeds are those who commit lawlessness. Therefore, if one is lawless, then they are a weed and a child of the devil.
“Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness… the one who practices sin is of the devil”. (1 John 3:4&8).
But God did not create “race”. There is no such thing in the Scripture. He created man after his kind, and he has remained that same kind since he was created. Non-whites are another kind, so then they are animals, plain and simple.
“Also you shall not have sexual intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.” (Leviticus 18:23)
“Perversion” is Strong’s H8397. The Brown-Driver-Briggs entry says, “confusion, violation of nature, or the divine order”. Strong’s says, “Apparently from balal; mixture, i.e. Unnatural bestiality — confusion.” “Balal” is Strong’s H1101. The Brown-Driver-Briggs and Strong’s say, “mingle, mix, confuse, confound”.
Therefore, Leviticus 19:19 is saying not to mix one’s genetics, which was made after its own kind, with the genetics of an animal.
I thought it claims that God wants race-mixing as part of plan? This sentence is wrong: “fear that … White race could eventually be destroyed through race mixing … doesn’t want Whites to see any of this as part of God’s plan to preserve them”…
Race-mixing is not part of the plan. It has been foreseen and we’ve been warned against it…
There’s another: Revelation 9 about ISIS and Migrant Crisis… 200 millions already moving…
Foremost Rev9:19 – it’s GENETIC POISON. You adults all know those “tails like snakes with head” by which “they do harm”…
There’s a word-play in greek: it’s “hippos-horses” written, but sounds exactly like “hypos-lower,inferior”… Keep saying there are “200 million hippo-horses” assaulting, while knowing it’s instead “hypo-inferior”…
>> Love your Neighbour like you.
> that’s not what the verse is saying
Exactly what it says, more so in hebrew original, understood in context…
But it’s conflicting with present Church teaching of last 60 years, when it was infiltrated by Marxist poison…
>> Mt13:24-30
There are multiple ways to understand Biblical parables. One being right doesn’t preclude other being right too…
It’s very evidently meant in Ethnic sense also…
> Non-whites are another kind, so then they are animals
I don’t think so.
Bible does NOT preclude Evolution, it was only medieval thinking, that was in conflict with Truth.
Genetic code in every human cell is witness our bodies have been evolved from Animals gradually. You can’t write genetic code into pre-existing cells and it can’t be 95% same with Apes and Mices… But there were several times, when Evolution cannot explain changes like Eye… Someone we call God was patiently tending us on this Garden of Earth, sometimes pushing the Evolution… (It’s a question how and where Spirit of Humans evolved, while our biological Bodies were evolved here from Apes…)
Gn 2:9: »And Lord God has established Protection in until now from Prehistory and placed there the Human he has formed.« – it doesn’t preclude the God formed us gradually by Evolution…
Blacks are previous version of Humans, half way between Apes and White Humans…
So although they’re HUMAN, but they’re DIFFERENT. Only blind doesn’t see it…
Whoever acknowledges Evolution and “Out-of-Africa” origin, also witnesses Africans as earlier stage between Ape and white Human… That’s LOGIC. How long did it take? I say it took 300,000 years or more, not merely 40,000…
Those taking Genesis literally – there “day” isn’t 24 hours… It’s any hot period and there are “days” before Sun…
This way it’s valid for Blacks too, they shouldn’t be Mixing either…
Lv19:18-19 is extension downward from humans to animals to plants to cloths, it shouldn’t be torn apart but understood in context…
No Mixing is allowed, which Destroys marvelous Diversity (Difference) the God so patiently created and we should maintain…
Diversity is Difference, both macro and micro. Equality is ugly brown Mud, Assimilation is Extinction…
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Wow. Not sure how to ‘evaluate’ your spirit.
Hey PA Semi —
Where are you from? I deduce “English” is not your first language.
Do you consider yourself a follower of Jesus Christ? Just curious.
Would like to have a “Foundation” before I offer my opinion on your comment.
I’m from Czechia, a country in Center of Europe.
Ethnically it’s 97% white Europeans, 2% Gypsies and few Vietnamese merchants… Religiously, it’s only 10% Christian or less, because we had our own branch of Christianity, but it was uprooted and replaced by Catholicism under severe Hapsburg Totality, and it was rejected then, when the Totality fell, but the replacement did not have strong Tradition and it didn’t survive Socialism (Mt7:27)… (It’s not only because of Socialism, because all our neighbours returned to Christianity after fall of Socialism, while we didn’t, which is a pity…) While there are some jews here, but almost none declares it openly, even accusing someone of being a “jew” is considered a curse-word slander here… (With few exceptions… But most Profiteers already emigrated to USA and Western Europe, only our Patriots stayed here…)
I am Christian, something between Catholic and Hussite christian (there are just these two churches in the nearby town), and I learned Hebrew and translated third of the Bible to my native language. And then, if there are some accusations against Talmud, I can go to original text and read and verify it in hebrew… It’s really bad…
The language of that text you replied to – it was too long and it had to be reduced, all unneeded words removed and sentences contracted, and then it sounds somehow unnatural…
And while I really believe in Jesus Christ, but “Adam” which means “Human” is just a parable and Christianity will not be any less important without Adam… (Can it be called “Christian Realism”? If Bible seems contradicting Reality, it’s probably because your Ancestors didn’t understand it well… Consider Mk4:33 and Heb5:11-14… Jesus and Apostles were speaking in Parables, even if they knew better, but People were not ready to understand that…)
My page is http://pialpha.cz/
and as a starter you may see my collected Gab posts http://pialpha.cz/Gab – for example http://pialpha.cz/Gab#23142191 and then #75614972 with “UN world population prospects” charts about Pro-Life question: There is currently exploding “Population Bomb” in Africa and you must not prevent them using whatever birth-control, because Demographics Matters…
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And second part about Czechia and racism (was the first part censored?):
Majority of people here are naturally racist, even if they don’t admit it, but they don’t cohabit with Gypsies and we suspect all Migrants…
And almost all Gypsies and all Vietnamese are racists too… Gypsies call us “gadja” and consider us sub-human, they call themselves “Rom” people, which means “Human” in their language…
And this way – only healthy racists can live in one country together without race-mixing… Otherwise there would be no Gypsies here any more after those centuries…
And same was true about USA – there are still white and black people, only because for all those 350 years of cohabiting they were healthy racists without mixing… Only in last 60 years (((propaganda))) removed this natural preservation instinct…
There are folk legends about “Cherts” here, which are funny figures something like “imps” and they live in Hell and come up to tease humans, they are brown dark and hairy with horns, and the sound they do is called “blekotat”, like “blek,blek,blek”…
These are Slovan (Slavic) legends coming from ancient Siberia, the only other nation who knows this are Turks, who came from Siberia also…
And it saved us from Slave Trade, from jews bringing black slaves here, because they would be accused of Devil worship and burnt in medieval times…
No English-speaking country knows this, which is why your countries are full of blacks now…
I think God or Angels have left these legends for Slovan people here…
It’s a pity you do not recognize a “Chert” if you see it:
http://pialpha.cz/Covington/#bhi
And about racism in Bible – the “Arab” literally means “Mixture”… Genetically they are side-path between Europeans and Africans… Such would look all your grand-children, if you will allow race-mixing with Africans…
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PA Semi —
I appreciate you answering my question. Thank you for sharing. It seems you have much to say — you truly have a “viewpoint” that you would like others to hear.
But sadly, for me, I think the language barrier is too difficult for me to “continue” the discussion.
I don’t believe in your Evolutionary Theory, but nonetheless ………………. it seems you do believe in some of the “basics” that are spoken of here at CFT.
I would encourage you to continue to read the Articles and Comments here on this site. You will be in my thoughts.
P.A.Semi wrote, “Race-mixing is not part of the plan. It has been foreseen and we’ve been warned against it…”
Read Jeremiah 31:27 again.
P.A.Semi wrote, “Revelation 9 about ISIS and Migrant Crisis”
If you want to claim interpretations for the 7 plagues, then you need to first specify exactly how we’ve reached that point. You have Revelation 4-8 to explain still. Also consider that Revelation 9 is heavily connected with the book of Joel. That would need to be explained as well.
“20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture becomes a matter of someone’s own interpretation, 21 for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” 2 Peter 1:20-21
P.A. Semi wrote, “Exactly what it says, more so in hebrew original, understood in context…”
The way it is translated into the Greek shows us exactly how it was meant in the Hebrew, regardless of the context, because the Lord quoted the Hebrew. The way it is written in Greek makes the interpretation of Leviticus 19:18 undeniable, as the Lord says, “ὡς σεαυτόν” (as yourself). It’s Strong’s G5613 and G4572. G4572 is a reflexive pronoun. There’s no disputing what this means. You are making the mistake many make, because you want to read “race” into everything in the Bible, you are destroying its moral lessons. The Bible has only been written to white men and there’s no need to “racialize” everything inside.
P.A. Semi wrote, “Bible does NOT preclude Evolution”
The Bible absolutely 100% precludes evolution. Have you read Genesis 2:7? “Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living person.” No possibility of evolution.
It’s sad that there are those who throw away the plain words of the Scripture, purely because they themselves have fallen to the world and the so-called “wisdom of the world”.
Race = Subspecies.
There are subspecies of animal kinds that do not mix for the most part, making the subspecies distinct from each other, one has genetical data that the other does not.
Even with species- You can take a Tiger and a Lion and breed a hybrid from that, so both Tiger and Lion are the same “Kind” but Ligers do not usually appear without human intervention/ domestication, and tend to be infertile (apparently.)
If God didn’t create it, it wouldn’t exist for us to observe and put a name to it.
Lev 18:23-
Literal bestiality was quite common amongst Canaanites, and ancient peoples in general, I mean, have you seen the Indian Khajuraho temple?
And just look what the modern Canaanites promote now… (it’s not just the mixing of all races.)
The ONLY way to defeat the Jewish agenda, is by turning our faces back to God. Someone said that this article was pacifism disguised as Christianity, but that’s not passive at all…
In fact, you could say that this article does MORE to direct our war against the seed of the serpent than most of the “nationalist” sites out there, who rail on and on about the problems yet never seem to offer a single solution, creating nihilism and a black-pilled outlook that is just as destructive as anything Jews are doing to our people.
CHRIST OUR LORD is the only way we are winning this war. And it will happen. The question isn’t whether or not we defeat the Jew, but rather – will ours be the generation that has the spirit to do so revitalized by the LORD or not?
Obadiah has a prophecy concerning the destruction of the Jew (Edom)…
See- It’s coming sooner or later….Want it to be sooner? Then BRING our people back to the flock to the best of your abilities…At EVERY opportunity. It should be the drive barring all else for each and every one of us till its accomplished….
I believe in the Lord, and I trust him and his promises, and I also believe in all of you, fellow descendants of Adam, even if many of you have been tricked into forgetting how to believe in yourselves. We are — all of us, every one — corrupted by flesh and in a fishbowl full of monsters. And Christ is the key to open the way and escape it.
God bless and protect you all!
Yes, ironically advocating “White nationalism” is the ultimate “black pill”, the ultimate way to demoralize White people. “What nationalism” demoralizes White people because they can see that it will never be achieved through the voting booths, which are now obviously rigged against them.
Despite the bogus Census numbers, I believe that the U.S. population is now less than 50% White. They inflate the population of “White” by categorizing Jews, Arabs, Latinos, Armenians, and millions of mixed-race people as “White”. And these people are not voting or supporting any White Nationalist candidates or causes.
Which leaves armed revolution. If White Nationalists think they can succeed in an armed revolution, taking this country over, and expelling Jews and non-Whites, they are absolutely out of their collective minds. And most White Nationalists knows this — which is why they are so demoralized. There is no hope for America to ever be again what it was through political means.
Sadly, White Nationalists have no real faith in God, so they cannot conceive that God will cleanse their nations for them, just has he promised them thousands of years ago that He would. If every White Nationalist turned toward Christ and submitted his life to Him, not a single ballot would need to be cast, and not a single bullet would need to be shot, to achieve their desired goals.
But they stubbornly have more faith in the degenerate political process, which is in the hands of their enemies, than they do in God. As as long as they persist in that foolish belief in this material world, there will be nothing except more tribulation and demoralization for the foreseeable future.
So true, brother. But there is a ray of hope, in that an awakening of the identity of the Lost tribes is bringing the curious slowly to the truth, and with that the horrifying reality of what we did to ourselves. Sure, Jews and others capitalize on our mistakes to thier advantage….They are parasites and predators- Its who they are and what they do. I dont expect them to change. The change has to come from within, in the spirit, before we can even THINK of anything getting better.
I think the greatest lie to be conquered is that Christ was NOT a Jew. Ours has a natural enmity with theirs, which is the spearhead that brought down the church. Many people are now realizing this lie, and that they have ALWAYS had a special connection with Christ in more ways then they once believed. While it seems we have a ways to go and a lot of work ahead of us, that Revelation is spreading, and bringing more back to the spirit.
God didn’t abandon us, we turned our backs on him for lies and false promises and for a way to sin with convenience. You see it when you look into it, that it’s slowly correcting course. In fact, you can almost gauge it by how desperate the parasites are to retain the status quo….
Yeah, you’re right about the census…I have moved my family twice before to escape “cultural enrichment and diversity”….And now THIS place is overly diverse. And nothing of THIS world is going to fix any of it. But our LORD will, if we only get our act together and turn back to him. Multiculturalism is a PUNISHMENT. Which is why the most evil among us call it their “strength”.
God bless.
Two points:
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This is a nonsensical question. Trees are judged by their fruit — only. Murder is categorically not the fruit of any tree deserving the term “good.” No such tree can exist.
2.
“You also have vowed to build up the temple, which the Edomites burned when Judea was made desolate by the Chaldees.” (1 Esdras 4:45) (Probably one reason why it was left out of the canon. By the same people who rejected the Christian Septuagint in favor of the Masoretic text. Creating a syncretic faith requires some strategic compromises).
BW ……
Have you also made comments here under the name — b.w. ???
“Murder” would be something like assassination.
It was not sinful to execute in the Bible, but they had to do it as a community after court rule- so all of them must be in accord with the judgement. Christ corrected them by basically saying only the sinless could even throw a stone. If you give this system to a murderous people, it’s not going to work because they enjoy killing for the sake of killing, but if you give it to a conscientious & compassionate people, they will hesitate unless they were absolutely sure that this was according to the law and righteous.
I have to wonder whether what is actually being taught here is Pacifism under the guise of Christianity?
Certainly, the forces of combined global Jewry recognize the inevitable results from their own policies when they fail. That is why the B’nai Brith, Bilderberg and CFR levels of global Jewry are providing the direction and support for the current policies. It’s made plain that their policies are NO QUARTER, just as were Santa Ana’s. Individuals who try to stand against them are to be technologically and socially obliterated, even when not killed or imprisoned, and strategies for any true resistance organization against them are infiltrated and spied upon. The jews recognize that it is either do or die for them or for all freedom loving American White people, whether those Americans are Christian or not.
We’re aware about the dire deaths, tortures and other ungodly consequences for the peoples who have previously had their own governments taken over by global Jewry, and we are not content to wait for the same things to happen to our American people.
If you haven’t figured that out, yet, this declaration below made by CFR is aimed more toward you and other freedom loving people in America, much more than it’s supposed aim is merely at Trump and his supporters.
The Freemason CFR had operated secretly within America from 1911 until it was accidently exposed inside a short Boston newspaper blurb in 1954. The secret CFR leaders of that now pervasively powerful organization then decided to “pretend” to be “legitimate” and go “open”. The jewsmedia has helped them to do their stealth deceptions in secret ever since. George Soros is one of their top members and the Rothschild’s agent, Soros, is the one who had established the European Council on Foreign Relations [ECFR] in 2006.
“CFR Fears ‘American Democracy’ May Be ‘Doomed’ By Populism”
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62010
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“All the ills of our national body can only be righted when the white Christian race stops cowering in fear, identifies our enemy, learns who we are, knows who our God is, understands what He has called us to do, and stands up and strongly opposes the forces that seek to enslave and destroy us.
Do you know what made America the greatest nation to ever arise in all of recorded time? The truth has been removed from history books, education, and all public discourse. In trying to discover the secret of America’s great advancements, it is necessary to understand the racial fabric of the individuals who turned this unsettled wilderness into the most advanced nation on earth….
…. in the case of Trinity Church verses the United States in 1892 even the United States Supreme Court declared that America was a Christian nation. This was before the Christ hating Jews and their non-white minority coalitions took over control of our government, and corrupted our society, culture, and civilization.”
[Continue below]:
https://www.truthfromgod.com/now_articles/race_is_the_issue.html
“I have to wonder whether what is actually being taught here is Pacifism under the guise of Christianity?”
I can see both sides of the coin: here are my thoughts: I can see why you say that, and I can see why others say what they say.
I, for one, am in no way a pascifist. Caucasians are overall the best soldiers and fighters, as history shows… we have cunning, skills, intellect, strategy, brains, finesse, stamina, discipline, etc; and I believe God gave us these attributes for a reason! Isn’t He the Lord of the Host (army), afterall? Why would the Lord create a warrior people if not to war? From Genesis to Revelation; from history to to-day: endless war. We are good at it. Whether we wage war for good or evil, we are good at it.
But, a good general knows when to commit his troops, and when to hold them back. If the army has been rebellious and ill-disciplined, then the army must be punished, and the trouble making riff-raff brought back in to line. Good soldiers need commands (the Law), moral (faith in the Lord), and discipline (rod of chastisement). The victory is its own reward.
… put on the full armour of God… 🙂
— “I have to wonder whether what is actually being taught here is Pacifism under the guise of Christianity? ” —
With all respect, this comes across as a slander. You use “pacifism” as a pejorative and misrepresent the spirit of the message. Yet you haven’t really defined what exactly you mean.
The beauty of Christianity is that there are Scriptures to refer to in discussions such as this. The gospel is a call to understand our own sinful state, to repent and to change. The gospel is not a call for revolution. The revolution will come, but only when the Lord returns.
There is only one kingdom worth fighting for and that is the Kingdom of God. We know that it will be restored with the Lord’s coming. What does He Himself teach to do pending that coming? Anyone is welcome to show me where the Scripture commands a revolution, as opposed to humbling ourselves and hastening the coming of the Lord. They won’t find it though…
Johan, I think it would be helpful for you to explain how submitting ourselves to Christ now is the greatest ‘strategy’ or course of action to opposing and ultimately destroying Jewish power — through Christ as opposed to political revolution.
I think for many, like Flanders, they see Christian humility as a weakness, as turning the other cheek, as literally becoming a doormat to those who want to destroy us. Of course, if you don’t really have faith in God’s promises to Israel, as is the case with most White Nationalists, it’s hard to imagine how submitting to Christ will destroy their perceived enemies — the Jews.
John 9:31 is a good place to start —
“… Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.”
Next, we should listen to Jesus Himself —
“…He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.” Jesus
Does someone want to “know” God??? Jesus tells us how.
If we want to hear God when it comes to knowing what to do, we ought ‘examine’ our lives and see if we are qualified.
The false teaching of Once Saved Always Saved has completely wrecked Christendom. And her sister teaching of “All Israel will be Saved” is doing the same with those who understand their “identity” as Adamic Men.
Flanders wants a revolution. Ok. “Who” is going to step up first? The Jew has so infiltrated the white nationalist movement, you would be hard pressed to organize 5 people without the Jew poking his nose into the plan.
Flanders ……………………….. even if you are right, the last place you should be making a call to action is on the Internet. It almost seems calculated.
Organize with your next door neighbor. Start there and then branch out to those you can actually see with your own eyes.
I think I can speak for others here and say that we really appreciate the “information” you post here. It seems you have much Zeal. I sincerely hope that you love your Father in Heaven and ask Him daily for guidance and wisdom. And that your own life is pure and dedicated to His will.
Revolution sometimes comes without it ever having been called.
Empty pious rationalizations, and theoretically based discussions, don’t fulfill a man’s obligations either to God or to man himself or to others in his family during our own lifetimes. Forces of evil are often much more organized, disciplined, and very efficiently active in setting those policies which lead to the antichrists overcoming the Godly within our world. The recent “elections” should be sufficient proof of that.
Is this really in God’s plan, or is it merely your own interpretations made in order to absolve you of your, and our, own present responsibilities to do more and to support each other during this lifetime? The answer may someday soon be important. If we White men were truly as unified together as were the enemies of Christ, in order to circumvent the effects of their evil, would that not be important to do? Just for one example for what comes about when men may be somewhat aware and for some reason fail to act against their cunning antichrist foes.
Of the Holodomor, there were about 3 different broad phases in time. The link below is about one of those.
“Holodomor Eyewitness accounts”
“Our father used to read the Bible to us, but whenever he came to the passage mentioning ‘bloodless war’ he could not explain to us what that term meant. When in 1933 he was dying from hunger he called us to his deathbed and said “This, children, is what is called bloodless war…”.”
http://holodomorct.org/holodomor-survivor-eyewitness-accounts/
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“The Great Ukrainian Famine of 1932-33″
” A similar tone is apparent in a communication sent by Rozanov, the head of the Kyiv GPU, to Balitskyi:
‘One might even say that cannibalism has become a habit. There are some who were suspected of cannibalism last year and are now backsliding again, killing children, acquaintances, even strangers on the street. In the villages that are affected by cannibalism, every passing day strengthens people’s belief that it is acceptable to eat human flesh. This idea is particularly widespread among the starving and children.’21
The reports of the OGPU chiefs also reflect very clearly the dread of a mass uprising of starving peasants, whose anti-Soviet talk was systematically noted, especially in the “reports-compilations” of letters written by peasants and seized by a highly vigilant postal surveillance.22″
https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/en/document/great-ukrainian-famine-1932-33.html
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“DESPERATE MEASURES Harrowing pics show starving Russians selling human body parts as MEAT during 1920s famine as desperate families become cannibals to survive”
“An estimated five to ten million people died as a result of food shortages largely caused by civil war and drought
Graphic Warning” *** [Dec 2016] – [It means what it says] ***
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2501517/pictures-human-body-parts-cannibals-russian-famine-1921-1922/
Flanders wrote, “Empty pious rationalizations, and theoretically based discussions, don’t fulfill a man’s obligations either to God or to man himself or to others in his family during our own lifetimes… Is this really in God’s plan, or is it merely your own interpretations made in order to absolve you of your, and our, own present responsibilities to do more and to support each other during this lifetime?” —
There’s one way to find out, and that is the words of the Lord Jesus. Come then, let us discuss it out of the Scripture, if you are confident in what you believe? I’ve provided plenty. I’d genuinely like to hear your case out of the Scriptures that we are called to some kind of revolution.
I think WestWins gave some good ones, and my comment “JANUARY 18, 2021 AT 5:01 AM” gives a different angle as well.
The Lord says in Matthew 23:38-39, “38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is the One who comes in the name of the Lord!”
This is said after the triumphal entry in Matthew 21, where Psalm 118:26 was quoted previously. Therefore, He is showing that He will not return until He is happy with His people.
Daniel 12:7 says, “…and as soon as they finish smashing the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.” The Lord says prior to His coming, “the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light”, which means the same thing as Daniel 12:7. Israel is doomed to be defeated at which point He will return. This will coincide with the remnant of Israel arising.
Although I think this quite sums it up as well:
— “Of course, if you don’t really have faith in God’s promises to Israel, as is the case with most White Nationalists, it’s hard to imagine how submitting to Christ will destroy their perceived enemies — the Jews.” —
All of this requires faith in His promises. To hammer home, I will quote Hebrews 3:12-19,
“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said,
“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.”
For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? And so we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.”
People should take care that they do not enter the Kingdom of God because of unbelief. No doubt, these times are hard and the world is bearing down on our fleshly senses, but we should relish this challenge, cleave to our King, and hasten His coming that we can get this over and done with…
They would see ‘waiting for the Lord to return’ as being a sitting duck. A lot of them believe in very extreme routes.
It’s not pacifism because there’s nothing that said violence is completely & always against God’s will.
And in terms of passivity, there are still legal things to be done that have not even been tried-
-Study & discuss the Bible until all contradictions, perversions and diversions are done away with.
This is important because one mistake according to a mistaken belief could undo all the good works you have done and could have done.
-Learn to live in accordance with this understanding of the Bible. (Remember what Jesus said about the rafter in your own eye.)
-Win your brothers & sisters over through genuine affection and goodly traits, helping them out in a non-intrusive/ non-manipulative fashion.
Yes, perhaps even the ones you see as an ‘enemy,’ including the ones that irritate you… it’s not easy.
Breaking people out of cults/ religions is important. Whether it’s Mormonism, or Catholicism, it’s a structure of lies/ misinterpretations for controlling people for the gain of a very select few. With those ones, they are familiar with the Bible, so there is common ground, but it’s still best to be sociable and not simply thump them with reasoning or information.
With those who are interested in Paganism, it’s very difficult, ultimately they will follow those who have the virtues/ traits they look up to, and those who they see as strong.
Agnostics are more open to ideas than Atheists but they are apathetic, and Atheists often have reversed principles and are politically & materially driven one way or another. At least if you are kind & helpful towards them, it will break some of their preconceived stereotypes, which means you are pulling them towards reconsidering their world view.
With those who have a lot of emotional/ historical baggage- help them, as best you can, but try to keep a safe distance. I’ve seen people get into intimate relationships with these terribly wounded/ traumatised people, and it always ends badly.
Those who are into divination/ spiritism/ magic arts/ Kabbalah (like Freemasons) are not a priority, they are not to be trusted at all. They have ear to those that lend lies most convincing, and they are not of this material world. It is highly unlikely that they can be reasoned with, and efforts towards helping them will go nowhere but towards the service of those they interact with.
Whoever takes up this task needs to be a beacon that draw the right kind of people to you, as well as a source of reproach towards those that truly deserve it and whom you think will benefit from it.
-Spread the Word of the true message of the Bible to your brothers & sisters, this will require a lot of proof even for someone who is switched on, but many are under a strong delusion because of their choices in life. In which case, simply advising better habits & lifestyle choices using logical reasoning until they are able to better appreciate morality and logic, would be better.
-Build up communities locally, people are connected by people, not clubs, try to organize into communal farmsteads if possible (but don’t form a cult… obviously), I mean: multiple individuals or a couple of families working together on a farmstead, working within a network of farms, meaning you’re a self sufficient nation within a nation without being a parasite.
-Encourage the learning of skills for the use of cultural & artistic works that inspire many people as this will confound those who believe we are nothing but ‘Ignatz.’
Can I just say that the picture of the “this plus this equals this” is just hilarious, and I think a really good teaching aid: yes, sometimes a picture really is worth a thousand words!
In more enlightened times the “people” shown would be called freaks. Now, I understand that to those who value feelings over facts, that might seem “mean and nasty”, but honestly, they are some freakish looking individuals! Pictures like those should be more than enuff for most people to think twice about race mixing if a baby looking like one of those freaks is the result.
I hope the pic goes in to the pic section of CFT.
Yep, we added it to our permanent meme archive:
https://christiansfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/rkjwtk.jpeg
1) “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. ” (Matthew 5:17). So the laws or commandments against racial mixing were still in effect–Christ did not do away with them.”
Yes, Jesus was a perfect man and lived a perfect life according to Old Covenant Law, thereby making Him, per the rules of God’s contract with His people, a perfect sacrifice. He came to validate or “complete” it. By your reasoning, we should ignore the early church controversy where jewish members forced gentile brethren to be circumcised. The Apostles had to address the continued adherence to Old Covenant customs as a sinful stumbling block and a “binding of where God has not bound.” Even from recollection and without research, one can say that Paul outright condemned this forced, arbitrary holdout from Old Covenant practices on numerous occasions. Additionally, by your statement alone, we must also continue in animal sacrifice as atonement. Obviously this is not the case and the book of Hebrews is a thorough explanation of why. That then begs the question: which parts of the Old Covenant are we to keep and by what explicit authority are we to keep those parts? Concerning murder, we don’t murder, not because it is one of the Ten Commandments, but because Jesus explicitly stated that hatred for your brother is, itself, on par with murder, thereby implying that murder itself is wrong. Homosexuality is sinful not because of Old Covenant prohibitions, but because both Christ Himself and later Paul condemned the behavior either by implication (Christ’s definition of marriage) or explicit statement (Romans 1:26). We currently live under the New Covenant, so which parts of the Old Covenant are we required to keep and by what New Covenant authority are we to keep them?
2) “unless Jude was excluded from your version of the Bible?” Cute. I did miss that, but now that you mention it, how exactly does one come to the conclusion that the behavior of Sodomites was related to race? We know from the account in Genesis that they sought to have sex with anything and everything, male and female, angels, maybe even animals (not explicitly stated, but this wouldn’t be surprising given how overly-sexualized cultures seldom have boundaries against such things to this day).
Sherlock, you are conflating the Law and the Rituals of the Law, a typical error made by judeo-Christians. Christ did away with the rituals of the law, which were impossible to abide by. The Pharisees, of course, stubbornly adhered to the empty rituals of the law. Insistence upon the rituals of the law always lead to hypocrisy, the leaven of the Pharisees. Those rituals of the law were replaced by faith in Christ. He circumcized Israel’s hearts. Believers were baptized in His word. Outside of the rituals of the law, the Law remained.
The book of Hebrews easily answers your questions on animal sacrifice. Maybe you are new to this way of thinking, but none of the questions you raise are new, rest assured. Given that this seems new to you, I would suggest to lay aside the scoffing and listen and reason with us first. The Scriptures answer all of your questions, but you seem to be ignoring the Lord’s words, cutting off what He said. I will provide His quote in full:
“17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! 19 Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you that unless your righteousness far surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
His fulfillment of the law did not cause their cessation, as He says they will only cease when the heavens and the earth pass away. “THEREFORE”, He says, whoever nullifies one of the least of these and teaches the same, will be called least. In following the law, we must be more righteous than the scribes and Pharisees, or WE WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. John says in 1 John 3:7, “Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous…” Do not be tempted to say that we take on the righteousness of Christ just be confirming His name, as John says we must be righteous by doing righteousness. This is the righteousness by faith, which is perfected by works (James 2:22).
Paul affirms the law was made to know sin (Romans 7:7, 1 Timothy 1:9). Therefore, with all of the above in mind and Paul’s own words specifically related to the law, it behooves each Christian to have a very good excuse for each law which they don’t keep according to the letter. If they ignore a law for any arbitrary reason, they may be falling into sin unknowingly, because the law teaches what is sin. Even David said, “Who can discern his errors? Acquit me of hidden faults.” The very same who couldn’t wait for night watches to meditate on the law, who understood its plain reading, considered that even he might have missed something. If David spoke this way, who are you to scoff at us who read the law?
The Lord affirms that all laws are found in love in Matthew 22:40. Therefore, each application must bring forth love towards God and towards our kindred. Paul says that this is keeping the law in newness of the Spirit, not oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6). This newness of the Spirit is revealed in part by the teachings of the Lord, as you have touched on, where the Lord intensifies certain laws. Then I affirm all of the law, as each statute is rooted in love. From the least to the greatest I affirm them all.
I have a question for you then, Sherlock. Leviticus 18:23 says not to copulate with animals. Would you have sex with a goat? If not, why wouldn’t you? If someone has sex with a goat, would you judge them or look down on them? There is nothing in the New Testament which says not to copulate with animals. What do you say, then?
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You’re saying that he invalidated all of the Old Law, even the commandments of Moses, which makes Jesus a liar in Matthew 5:17. He literally says “destroy”/ “abolish”/ “dislodge” which is what you are doing when you say the commandments are invalid. No matter how hard you try you can’t twist what he said to suite your own principles.
The animal sacrifice rituals are done away with because Christ is the Promised Messiah, he did not ask his disciples to sacrifice animals when he formed the New Covenant because it had served it’s purpose now that he had come.
The Levitical rituals and such are done away with much like the rules on eating pork, which was specifically addressed in a vision to solve the disputes between Yehudi and the Lost tribes.
Philo’s stance on man-women and homosexuals is no different from Old Testament, but he lived 20BCE to 50CE.
The New Testament covers circumcision, with the new covenant, it went from an outwardly one to an inner ‘circumcision’, one of the ‘heart’ & mind. But I also must point out that the Circumcision of Judaism is the “Brit Peri’ah” and the original, according to them, is the “Brit Milah,” and of course the Talmudic vipers came up with the vampiric paedophilic practices too. But the differences in the two surgeries alone are more than significant.
Jesus never said anything about the messages about mixing with racially strange flesh, so there is no reason to assume it’s no longer valid. There is no metaphysical Israel, and as long as his people exist, they are under the same stipulations in regards to keeping racial purity, because those distinct ‘edits’ were not random and they were not just a cosmetic, they serve a purpose. God set a hierarchy, and by mixing with another people, you are ultimately giving your offspring over to that people. Ishmael – Inherited basically nothing, because he was part Hamite or Khemet, therefore he was considered a Hamite, not a Shemite. The logic follows all the way through, because Pharez was born of Tamar who was an Aramaean of Shem, not a Canaanite like Bathshua. Just to clarify, the people who are legitimate Israel already have an innate instinct to not race mix, it’s a subconscious source of disgust, humiliation & shame which then becomes a large source of guilt in this world, due to the instinctual pressure to fit in & conform with the society you are born into. Studies also show that children are born with an innate preference & trust for their own race and a strong distrust for those who do not look like their race- this is a protective measure.
2. As the foremost of degenerates & hedonists, they would have most certainly had racial fetishes and been a mixture of all of the dregs of different groups. Nobody is saying they were solely mixing races. The word for “Fornication” essentially refers to “pursuit of strange flesh,” so, much like “uncovering the nakedness” is a euphemism that covers all sexual activities including intercourse- “Fornication” covers race mixing as well as homosexuality, paedophilia, bestiality and anything ‘supernatural’. And in regards to hedonism: Baal Peor – “Lord of the Open Holes” pretty much summarises the mentality.
Off Topic, a book for your library ,13 hours audio or read as text.It was printed in 1980 but its time had come.I am left speechless after reading this.
THE DESCENT INTO SLAVERY- 1980 DES GRIFFIN-AUDIO BOOK.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6SaFRyIZkPRu/
https://www.chinhnghia.com/Griffin-DescentIntoSlavery1980.pdf
Oy vey! When I consider this difficult time, with its Trump supporters, White supremacists, Klansmen, neo-nazis, conspiracy theorists, Proud Boys, militiamen and all the other bogeymen threatening our vision of tolerance and diversity, I recall to memory the wise words of my grandfather: “Even the best of the goyim should be killed.”
Yes, I think I met your grandfather, a very wise man. He wisely observed that the goyim were to be “milked like cattle” and when they could no longer be “milked” they would be sent to the glue factory that his cousin Mordechai owned.
I believe my grandfather met your grandfather.
He died in Auschwitz though…
Slipped on a bar of soap and fell of a guard tower.
“The War on Whites in Advertising: A Follow-Up”
“Shortly after publishing the article discussing “The War Against Whites in Advertising,”I received a lot of comments…. One message we received was in regards to the “Banned German oral sex Sprite commercial.” The reader wrote us and asked us to look into the commercial. What I found was far more interesting than even the reader might have known. The video is below. It depicts a white, blonde woman on her knees in front of a black man, and we hear her thinking, “I could really go for a Sprite right now” as she performs oral sex on him, and at the end she has Sprite foam sprayed all over her face while she thinks, “I love Sprite!”
The first thing I found when researching this one was that the advertisement was not one that the Coca-Cola Company (which own Sprite) ran in Germany or elsewhere. The commercial was, in fact, a speculative advertisement, or “spec ad.”
Spec ads are independently-produced advertisements that have not been commissioned or requested by a company.
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The ad was not created or paid for by Sprite, nor was it even created in Germany. Instead it was financed and directed independently by Max Isaacson, a New York Jew. The significance of this cannot be overstated. There was no financial incentive. Nobody requested that this commercial be produced. It is not as if Sprite had this idea, and that Max was merely the person who brought their vision to fruition. The entire project, from start to finish, was a Jewish expression of ethnic hatred towards whites, again using blacks as their pets, to send a message – in German, no less.”
More:
https://counter-currents.com/2018/04/the-war-on-whites-in-advertising-a-follow-up/
Jewry’s intended audiences are actually the kids and youth who watch TV and will consider this as normal. Those are not studied, and can’t be, but this is how the jews operate over the course of generations to make “subtle” changes, and the adults let the child abuse happen as if it’s “normal”.
“The Sinister Cabal Behind Race-Mixing Commercials”
“A study of over two million online dating interactions revealed distinct racial preferences between groups. White women are strongly against race-mixing, they respond most frequently to white men and least frequently to black men. In light of this data, it is all the more bizarre that the combination of a white woman with a black man is seen so frequently in advertising.
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Just four Jewish owned mega-corporations control the vast majority of all advertising agencies. The Omnicom Group of New York, WPP of London, Publicis of Paris, and Interpublic of New York are the key corporations in the West.
The New York Times states that these companies are so powerful “they can indirectly set network television schedules and starve magazines to death or help them to flourish,” by deciding how and when to spend advertising dollars. Each company owns dozens if not hundreds of smaller agencies; Omnicom has bought over 150 firms alone.
Globalist CEO John Wren currently heads Omnicom Group. Omnicom was founded by Allen Rosenshine, Keith Reinhard, and John Bernbach, all three are Jewish and promote the exclusivity of Jews ~ but work hard to destroy ethnic-European ethnicity.”
[Much more]:
https://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2018/06/the-sinister-cabal-behind-race-mixing-commercials-2506128.html
“That’s why so-called “White Nationalism” will always fail — it refuses to acknowledge the inherent evil in our race — instead passing the buck onto “the Jews” and their minions.”
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That is not a true statement in many and perhaps most instances. Many of us who are White Nationalists understand this problem, and how it works, but we aren’t the “preachers” to our flocks who often don’t want to listen because they don’t understand their own part, or the jew’s part either, in their problems. It’s much the same type of statement that some of those at Renegade sometimes make in it’s splintering effect. We don’t deserve the unnecessary divisiveness in addressing and informing each other with mutually needed information. We each have our purposes to awaken our people to the evils being placed in front of them in such “entertaining ways” by jews, and the also serious destruction which globalist Bolshevik Jewry have planned for them unless they learn both our messages. We do that best by working together to do that.
Awaken the people to what? If they awaken to the jewish question, what good is it able to produce in them who are evil?
If they are awakened to Christ, then they will awaken to the jewish question in the proper context, which is repentance of sin.
Race-mixing is just another sin, of which there are many. Even those which are unto death. Those who become justified in their hatred of jews short-circuit their journey to remove sin from their lives.
imho Johan,
It didn’t take the jews for me to repent and seek the Lord. I didn’t have the awakening of them yet. It was for consistent hard times barely keeping up with the ever rising costs of greed just to make ends meet. The revelations of this monstrous government (USA) came after God delivered me from death several times over and gave me the chance to know and follow Him. The Almighty is THE ONE who has shown me the vast and massive corruption via jews and their sellout traitorous minions STARTING WITH ISRAEL/PALESTINIANS and the war on them many times over. It’s a long story and I have no interest in sharing it other than the fact that it was The Almighty who has shown the light through the leading of truth and spirit (Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit). It is the repentance of ‘ignorance of this deception’ that has allowed me to continue in complete discernment.
btw…for whatever it’s worth to anyone here…’A NATIONAL’ is indeed what we Americans are known as UNDER THE TRUE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA.
http://annavonreitz.com/livinglawfirmprogress.pdf
Non-Citizen Status:
[“We have determined that we, living, breathing Americans are called “United States
Nationals” in Federal-eze when it comes to international affairs and are called
“American State Nationals” or simply “Nationals” when it comes to business here at
home. “National” refers to the land jurisdiction of this country.
So if you are talking to the Passport agencies, tell them you are a “United States
National, not a United States Citizen” (unless, of course, you are actually employed
by, dependent on, or voluntarily chartered as a corporation by the federal
government) and if, for example, you are talking to the Governor of the State of New
Mexico, tell him that you are a Texan (not a Resident) who has established residency
(which is different) in New Mexico—and you’d like to know what is being done about
illegal immigration?”]
We hope to have routed through the correct process for American State Nationals to
obtain correct passports very soon and will publish that info as soon as we are sure
we’ve nailed it down and have resource contacts for you. (Flag donations to this
project as: “Correct Passports”)
http://www.annavonreitz.com/ This page is an index of the writings of Judge Anna von Reitz from Big Lake Alaska.
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When jews refer to whites as ‘White Nationalists’ in a derogatory manner (as in tune with everything they pervert) they totally reverses it’s actual meaning of ‘Nationals’ as we Americans are correctly considered under the land law of the Constitution. IN FACT if the power of the Constitution were to be our only sovereign law (again)…ALL DUAL CITIZEN/PASSPORTS WOULD BE NULL AND VOID. WHICH WOULD INCLUDE 90+% jews!!! This is why they are trying so hard to destroy it by keeping us IGNORANT.
Continued thanks to ‘Mark’ for giving me the first consideration to start understanding what we Americans have ignorantly allowed and have given over to absolute corruption. All it took for me was repentance to God to receive the keys and discernment to the Truth and in return He provides it all.
Isaiah 8:11-15, “11 For so the Lord spoke to me with mighty power and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 “You are not to say, ‘It is a conspiracy!’
Regarding everything that this people call a conspiracy,
And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it.
13 It is the Lord of armies whom you are to regard as holy.
And He shall be your fear,
And He shall be your dread.
14 Then He will become a sanctuary;
But to both houses of Israel, He will be a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense,
And a snare and a trap for the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 Many will stumble over them,
Then they will fall and be broken;
They will be snared and caught.””
Jeremiah 9:23-24, “23 This is what the Lord says: “Let no wise man boast of his wisdom, nor let the mighty man boast of his might, nor a rich man boast of his riches; 24 but let the one who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises mercy, justice, and righteousness on the earth; for I delight in these things,” declares the Lord.”
Knowledge of the world and conspiracies and constitutions and nations and laws is all useless in light of the knowledge of the Lord. They’re all just carrots on a stick and a false hope in some worldly rescue by our own strength.
The Lord will save us all, as He has saved you. He will re-establish Israel and He will be King of all the nations of the Earth. First, we must acknowledge our own evil and be cleansed from it. There is a lot more personal evil in the lives of white people than just race-mixing: Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, greed, hatred, strife, drunkenness, slander, scoffing, witchcraft, anger, lack of self-control,y slander and selfish ambition.
Thank you for scriptures Johan. Amen to your comment.
An unrepentant White person is no better than a Jew. Whites who dream of living in a nation without Jews do so because they don’t understand that God uses Jews to punish those whom He loves. As long as Whites remain unrepentant, the Jews will only become more powerful and oppress Whites even more.
Naming and exposing the Jews is all fine and dandy, but now what? Unless you see the Jew in the context of Israel’s punishment, the Jew always have power over you, even if you are “Jew wise”.
Flanders, I appreciate your enthusiasm for exposing Jewish perfidy. I too, when I was younger, felt the same zeal that you do in telling everyone I knew, who would listen, about the Jews. I’m in my 60s now, and in my life, I have met many Jew-wise White people like yourself, but many of them were terrible people, their lives were a mess, and this knowledge of the Jew did not improve their lives one iota. If becoming wise to the machinations of the Jews does not lead you to Christ, it is all in vain.
Renegade Tribune does the work of the Jews while at the same time allegedly exposing the Jews because they denigrate Christ and his followers. Kyle Hunt and his acolytes are vehemently anti-Christ, and if you think he’s improving anyone’s life by denying Christ, then you are truly naive. And if you support this anti-Christ in anyway, you are complicit in denying Christ, and you are part of the problem. If all Kyle Hunt did was expose the Jews, that would be one thing, but he actively undermines and turns White people away from God, and no matter how you cut it, that is enriching and empowering the Jews every single day.
We have the Jews we deserve. White Nationalists do not believe they deserve punishment for their sins. White Nationalists mock Blacks and Jews for always saying, “We dindu nothing!” but they engage in the same denial themselves. “It’s all the Jews’ fault.” Even if America were completely rid of Jews and non-Whites, without repentance, within one generation, the Jews would be back, as history has shown 109 times, bringing their negroes with them because there will always be sinful, self-justified Judas Goats among Whites willing to sell us out to the highest bidder.
+10 Well said!
Great to meet you Kipper. Peace and safety to you good sir.
That’s right. Look at England. They expelled the Jews for 300 years, but all it took was one man, Oliver Cromwell, to take the thirty pieces of silver from Jews in Amsterdam to allow the Jews back in and start their games all over again. One evil man amongst us is all it took. And you don’t think that wouldn’t happen again if we somehow expelled them again? Please….
Absolutely…it is why we have almost lost the Constitution all together. It will be final with Biden. The Constitution was written by Christian believers for Christian believers. What happened is what you have spelled out. Where are the True Christian believers with no god before the Almighty? We can’t serve two…MAMMON OR GOD…Exodus 32. Repentance and returning to Him face to face is the only way we will be able to be restored to this once republic. We can not match the Power of God except when His Power is with us.
Zechariah 4:6-7
6 Then he said to [b]me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel, saying, ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ says the Lord of armies. 7 ‘What are you, you great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring out the top stone with shouts of “Grace, grace to it!”’”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQI4lET97o4&feature=emb_logo
The Identity Trap
There are numerous issues with this gentleman’s argument to include, but not limited to, the following:
1) Jesus commands his disciples: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations”(Matt. 28:19) and “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation” (Mark 16:16). Feel free to rationalize how this proclamation applies only to direct descendants of Israel.
2) The entirety of Acts 10 and the first 18 verses of Acts 11 deal directly with the conversion of Cornelius, a Roman gentile, to Christianity. Feel free to explain how this Roman living in modern-day Italy is somehow an Israelite descendant.
This gentlemen did not use a single verse from the New Covenant. Unless there is evidence to support his claims from statements of either Christ Himself or those of Christ’s disciples, this argument is incredibly stupid. There is a clear distinction between the explicitly racial jurisdiction of the Old Covenant and the explicitly stated, extended racial purview of the New Covenant.
Change My Mind…
There certainly is a throwing out of the baby with the bathwater, but the use of the term “race” is a red-herring. Though I agree with the message of the article, I don’t necessarily agree with its arguments either.
There is no such thing as race in the Scripture. There are only men, who were created through Adam and Eve. The nations only came from Adam, through Noah. Animals on the other hand are not men. There’s no way anyone could logically connect Genesis 10 nations with the bushmen of Southern Africa, or the aborigines of Australia, but this evil modern society picks and chooses who are “men”, based on “scientific”, paleontological basis, not on the Scriptures. If those so-called “races” cannot be men, then much less all the rest of the non-whites.
Sherlock wrote, “This gentlemen [Comparet] did not use a single verse from the New Covenant. Unless there is evidence to support his claims from statements of either Christ Himself or those of Christ’s disciples, this argument is incredibly stupid.”
Sherlock, if you want to live up to your name, you should at least be able to discern the truth. Comparet did in fact quote the New Testament when he quoted Jude 7, unless Jude was excluded from your version of the Bible?
And as the introduction to Comparet’s essay points out, judeo-Christians, perhaps like yourself, are wrongly taught that Christ did away with the Law of the Old Testament. Christ Himself refutes this false doctrine when he pointed stated, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. ” (Matthew 5:17). So the laws or commandments against racial mixing were still in effect–Christ did not do away with them. And Jude is a witness who confirms that the sin of “going after strange flesh” is still in effect.
You need to look at the original words… not just what they were translated into.
There are words for different nations of different races and then there are words for different nations within the same race (Shemite). The very fact there is a distinction like that in Hebrew should tell you something. Intermixing between the nations who descended from the same race was acceptable as you can see with Tamar who was an Aramean of Shemite lineage.
And besides that, ‘preaching’ has nothing to do with copulation or marriage.
There were Shemite/ Israelite Romans, but not all Romans were Shemite/ Israelite. How can I explain to you the ways if you have made no effort to research the historical context of how these peoples came about and which peoples were considered eligible for Roman citizenry?
Can you provide actual evidence of Christ invalidating the stances on race in the Old Testament?
CFT, that chart is hilarious. Is the “Americano” that kid from the Netflix show Stranger Things, and the old Verizon ad canpaigns?
Could y’all kindly explain the introduction of this article to me? I am a bit baffled by it as it reminds us that we are commanded not to race-mix yet it seems to me that it also saying that we should not work to stop race-mixing?
I can’t say that the idea of sitting idle while waiting for God to come appeals to me as the best course of action, idle hands being the devil’s workshop and all, so I would like to make sure that I’m not misinterpreting the intent of the ministry here.
Thanks.
No, I don’t think the article says we shouldn’t work to stop race mixing, rather it’s saying that race mixing is a part of Israel’s falling away from God, and part of our punishment. Yes, in our own lives and the lives around us, we should oppose race mixing, but to think that our nations are going to magically be cleansed of racial aliens without national repentance at this point is foolish and counter-productive.
God will do that, cleanse our lands, when He decides we’ve been punished enough, and when we’ve repented. Obviously at this point, Israel does not feel a need to repent, so we are going to get punished much more–and that means more race mixing. If you want to know what punishment is in store for us, to wake us up collectively, read Deuteronomy 28:
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-Chapter-28/
By spreading the reality of Biblical truth, you will be preventing some mixing, but it’s not like you can actually stop all of it since there are so many unbelievers, deluded individuals and defiant sinners that will likely never repent.
The end result is that Israel will be refined down to a remnant of the highest moral callibre.
It may be hard for some to accept this.
…but ridding our countries of the jew would be a good start. 🙂
Excellent article.
The Lord Jesus will remove them from the world when the true Israel is re-established with His coming, as it says in Daniel 7:11, “the beast was killed, and its body was destroyed and given to the burning fire”. And Revelation 19:20, “…the beast was seized, and… [was] thrown alive into the lake of fire”.
We are powerless to do any of it ourselves. Jeremiah 30:15 says,
“Why do you cry out over your injury?
Your pain is incurable.
Because your wrongdoing is great
And your sins are numerous,
I have done these things to you.”
Hosea 5:14-15 says,
“14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim
And like a young lion to the house of Judah.
I, yes I, will tear to pieces and go away,
I will carry away, and there will be no one to rescue.
15 I will go away and return to My place
Until they acknowledge their guilt and seek My face;
In their distress they will search for Me.”
Does the Lord not quote Malachi 7:6 when He says in Matthew 10:34-35, “34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to turn a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a person’s enemies will be the members of his household.”
But Malachi 7:7-9 follows that in saying,
“7 But as for me, I will be on the watch for the Lord;
I will wait for the God of my salvation.
My God will hear me.
8 Do not rejoice over me, enemy of mine.
Though I fall I will rise;
Though I live in darkness, the Lord is a light for me.
9 I will endure the rage of the Lord
Because I have sinned against Him,
Until He pleads my case and executes justice for me.
He will bring me out to the light,
And I will look at His righteousness.”
Let us therefore purify our lives and call on the One who wounds and heals. Until that time, we will not be able to drive away the rod of chastisement.
Amen, and amen
Mat 24:32 “And learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that the summer is near.
33 “So you also, when you see all these, know that He is near, at the doors.
34 “Truly, I say to you, this race [Genea] shall by no means pass away until all this takes place.
those preaching “diversity” actually HATE diversity as they try to mush everyone into common grey ORCS.
Did you notice in the “Lord of the Rings” different groups respected the identity, boundaries, and DIVERSITY of other groups ……… EXCEPT for Sauron and his servants (Nazgûl, Orcs, Saruman etc).who were a Fankensteinian MIXTURE of twisted perverted monsters existing only for death and HATE of “MAN” just like the “liberals”/Democrats envision for Humanity right down to an “ALL SEEING EYE” watching everything you do. The Orcs were all “different” yet all the same, muddy, ugly, twisted……Hold your ground! Hold your ground!
Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my reps,
I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.
A day may come when the courage of men fails,
when we forsake our friends
and break all bonds of fellowship,
but it is not this day.
An hour of wolves and shattered shields,
when the age of men comes crashing down,
but it is not this day!
This day we fight!!
By all that you hold dear on this good Earth,
I bid you stand, Men of the West!!!
Yes, but Tolkien was a ‘White Mage’ who loved Jews and thought Germany was mad.
He synthesised Pagan folklore with Luciferianism and Christianity… but even he wasn’t a degenerate in regards to race.
From the Luciferian perspective, Sauron is Christ and Morgoth is “the Father” whom the Luciferians say is a “Demiurge” of the material world, but not the supreme deity.
The ‘ring’ is an allegory for the new testament, I assume? (the Talmud says Christ used Black Magic)
You may find this hard to believe but from the Luciferian perspective, Sephiroth of Final Fantasy is also a sci-fi allegory of Christ.
It goes without saying Luciferianism is esoteric Judaism (Kabbalah), hence why the manual of Freemasonry by Richard Carlile states “The Grand Lodge Masonry of present day is wholly Jewish.”
They promote technocratic or plutocratic oligarchs & so called ‘democracy’ or ‘communism’ under the illusion of ‘fellowship’ & ‘equality’ and demonize singular leaders like monarchs. Christ is King meaning he is a “Authoritarian Dictator” in their eyes.
Hello,
As I have learned here, the King James Bible doesn’t always give an accurate interpretation of the scripture. I would like to ask if a mostly accurate version of the scripture exists in a single volume? If so, could someone please provide me with a name or a link? Thanks.
Hello mate, unfortunately not; I like the King James bestest of all, but yes, it has its errors. Every translation is just that: a translation. And no translation will be perfect, I’m afraid. For mine own part, I believe that finding the misstranslations is part of the “study to find thyself approved” message, but that is just my opinion. God bless you 🙂
It is not “Interpretation”. It is simply just a definition of a particular word.
Best to use multiple translations — an interlinear — and 2 or so Lexicons.
For a Translation, I tend to like the NJKV. Although I consult many.
The last photo and quote was proverbial. As captured audience , I viewed college basketball game . Sadly , the players were not black . Sadder still, they were not white . Saddest of all : their mothers were.
Rachel Dolezahl is young white woman, racially beautiful. But she is educated and testifies that she is black despite her blue eyes , blond hair and white parents. She is educated by nice, jewish anthropologists and missionary family who do not discriminate.
But she discriminates. Insists on marrying only fine, young black men . Her problem is that she requires these fine, young men to be monogamous. This is not their long suit, and she has a problem finding one faithful to her. qui bono?
A white church associate and wife insisted on adopting after their children were grown. They wished to help the many orphaned by the anonymous drug epidemic in the jewish paradise of FLorida. At least one had to be black so they are cleansed of sin of racism. Also, the associate pastor’s beautiful white daughter married a fine young neophyte preacher from her church college. He was black. The father’s rationalization was, Eva is the mother of us all. Apparently she is a rainbow.
Where do they repent?!
Galatians: For you are neither Jew or gentile, slave or bond, male or female but are all one in Christ. Race is of no matter to the Lord Jehovah. Gentiles are those who are not originally Jewish and the message of Christ was to go to the gentiles after God’s original people were REJECTED. Far from white people being the chosen people of God, they have now been rejected and we see the effects of grace and the love of Christ on people from China, India, Africa and all other nations in the world. The bible clearly states that all who ‘confess the Lord Jesus Christ with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. There are inferior classes in all races including the white race and that is not due to being racially mixed. I know Indian and mixed race doctors who have to deal with white drug addicts who are 100% white. Try to convince these grace filled, intelligent people that whites are the superior race and they would disagree. The Lord judges us individually on our individual merits and not on our race, gender or any other material factor. This article is a desperate attempt to grasp onto some idea of racial superiority but it is invalid. Christ loves all and the bible clearly states that his people will come from all nations on the whole of the earth. I hope you will re-read your bible as this article is an embarrassment for even a beginner bible student. May Christ lead you to the truth. An Indian child of Christ.
No, Suma, you are incorrect. Your universalist interpretation of Galatians 3:28 is one of the most misunderstood and abused verses of the New Testament. The New Covenant was to be with the same people as the Old Covenant — the Israelites only. Jeremiah 31:31 makes this clear. If you are not an Israelite, you are not part of the covenant. And Galatians 3:28 is addressed to the dispersed, lost northern tries of Israel, aka “the gentiles” and by extension the Genesis 10 nations, i.e. Adamkind only.
And so to paraphrase that verse, “Among the regathered Israelites, neither Judean nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” The prophecy for Israel was that they would be known by another name — the name of God — Christians — regardless of their social status. That’s what Galatians 3:28 is about.
Remember, in Matthew 15:24, Christ stated clearly that “I come only for the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” If you are not of the house of Israel, He didn’t come for you, and He certainly can’t redeem you because only Israel was bought for a price.
This reminds me of a point that I have been confused on: the New Covenant is indeed also intended for whatever White people might still exist who are of Adam but not of Jacob-Israel?
Matthew 15:24 has confounded me a bit as Christ spent his ministry mostly among the remnants of the two clans of Jacob-Israel who were not lost physically.?
That’s because the sheep had lost their way spiritually and He had come to bring them back in. Indeed, He only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but when He was about to ascend, He said, “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations” (Matthew 28:19).
Paul says that “a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations has come in…” (Romans 11:25). This is a matter of prophetic fulfillment.
“I say then, they [Israel] did not stumble so as to fall, did they? Far from it! But by their wrongdoing salvation has come to the nations, to make them jealous.” (Romans 11:11)
Paul is referring to where God said to Israel in the wilderness, “So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation…” (Deuteronomy 32:21) He said this to all Israel when the covenant was made, so then the “foolish nation” is something that is not Israel. The promise to Abraham was, “in your seed ALL THE NATIONS of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” (Genesis 22:18)
However, if one is not pure white/Adamite, then they are not a person, or a nation, and the promises do not apply to them. If a non-white qualifies for the promises, then we might as well teach the gospel to Koko the gorilla in sign language.
“If a non-white qualifies for the promises, then we might as well teach the gospel to Koko the gorilla in sign language.”
That indeed is the logical conclusion of dispensational, universalist Judeo-Christianity. There are clearly beings referred to as “beasts” and “animals” in the Bible who have “human” characteristics: walking, talking, copulating. And yet no Christian minster will ever address this issue as it would destroy their false universalist “feel good” doctrines of inclusion and diversity.
Hey Gert —
Could you site those passages for quick reference? Thanks.
“….There are clearly beings referred to as “beasts” and “animals” in the Bible who have “human” characteristics: walking, talking, copulating. …”
“Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.”
Leviticus 18:23
You are incorrect. Honore is correct. The Bible is written too, and for, Caucasians that are pure in their generations, like Noah and his family, only. We are called Christians. We were called Israelites. I would suggest that you re-read the Bible… but, in seriousness, God will only allow Caucasians to hear the message, as the message is only for them.
As an example, my cousin preaches in her folly, and against God’s commands, to pacific islanders, saying that they can have a relationship with Jesus Christ. How can this be if God will not allow mamzers into His congregation? If He won’t allow mamzers… why would he allow non-Israelites?
I would suggest you read this article, along with the comments: https://christiansfortruth.com/who-are-the-gentiles-in-the-bible-and-who-they-are-not/
If anyone uses the word “gentile” or “jew” as it is translated in the Bible without understanding the context of those words, they are doomed not to understand much of the Scriptures.
He created the system by which races form, and he set the hierarchy with the three progenitors & their descendants. Indians are a mixture of Caucasoid and Dravidian (Related to Ethiopians).
The unique ‘edits’ in Israelite people are not cosmetic or random, they are for a purpose.
The Bible makes no sense if you try and force some metaphysical mumbo-jumbo into everything you don’t like the sound of because it’s politically incorrect or morally wrong according to your current moral arbiters. The NT is not separate from the OT, Christ is the same one as the Voice of God in Eden, Bible talks of strong family units and how individual units connect together to form a whole family nation, it talks of inheritance a lot too. Why is it that Ishmael received no inheritance? Why is it that Tamar was legitimate as a bride but Bathshua was not?
If you do not pay attention to the physical aspects of the Bible then you can not make sense of any of the prophecies and even a lot of what Christ says to Pharisees.
Why is it there are words for nations within ones own race and nations outside of ones own race in Hebrew?
What this means for you as an Indian Christian, you can not be ‘Israel’, and do not share in their promises, and are therefore not under the responsibilities that they as a people are intended to be under.
You are not afflicted by the curses that Israel is afflicted by, but you are also not blessed in the same way Israel is (that doesn’t mean you aren’t personally bless by God, but it’s not the same).
In the end there is the 144k and the “Great Crowd,” the Great Crowd are judged by Christ and the 144K for their deeds during life but they are not under the same stipulations (stricter), as they have not been given the same gifts/ promises (to be ministers to the rest of mankind as Christ is to us.)
If we are arrogant about this, than we are humbled as it says.
We only exist as we do to provide witness/ testimony to God’s glory.
That being said… you will likely perceive it as supremacy no matter what because you will not like being told how it is, nor will you like having a class of people above you, telling you that your interpretation is incorrect or your principles are not from God.
I may just be a crazy person also, but hey-ho, it’s not like crazy people can tell if they are crazy.
Who’s Who and Whose Who
Judge the tree by its fruit.
Simple, right ?
Yes – but not simplistic.
Figs come from fig trees. So far, so good. Good figs come from good trees; inferior ones from inferior trees. At this point people veer off into making an abstraction of it (like “moralism”). But is there really a moral dimension in the lives of trees ?
Hmmmm . . .
We have (presumably) learned from the Parable of the Sower that any number of environmental factors can exercise modifying or overriding force. I.e., through no “fault” of its own, a seed may be eaten before it can germinate, stunted in its growth, choked out by other plants around it, fail to reach its potential through lack necessary nutrients, and so on. (It was not without reason that the earlier medieval philosophers of the Aristotelian tradition called the earth “the realm of accidents”). Even if it does survive and grow to maturity, its ability to produce good fruit (and that in abundance) may be severely curtailed. But does this make it a “morally objectionable” tree ?
Any number of dimensions are latent within this. One such is the reminder that “the point of the exercise” for a fruit tree is producing fruit – not growing luxurious, self-indulgeant foliage in all directions which contributes little or nothing to its fruit production. This is why the Husbandman of the garden (Gen.2:15, John 20:15 – the fact that we keep these in separate conceptual boxes does not mean that they are not related) prunes the trees entrusted to him, in due season. (It is well to laugh at the idea of trees having morals – at the same time, though, we should realize that we are laughing at our own [induced] “belief”). Considering such things that one has noticed at some length goes by the term “meditation” (as in “Prayer and”).
There is far more, however, “to” this.
Can a thorn tree bear figs ?
Even if it were somehow possible – against every impulse of the nature it was created with — to induce a thorn tree to want to produce even one fig (an absurdity in itself), it would be genetically incapable of doing so. It doesn’t refuse to. It is unable to.
Just about as unable, in fact, as a religionist hierophant is of transforming a goat into a sheep via baptizing it. (As the Russians say, “When the shrimps learn to whistle !!!”)
Time for a pop quiz. What are the first “Ten Commandments” in the Bible, and where are they found ?
You could call it a “trick question,” because they’re really the same Commandment ten times (as if repeating something important were going to make an impression on people as oblivious as we are).
The Commandment, in essence, is “Kind Reproducing (its own) Kind.” Goats produce more goats; sheep produce more sheep. Fig trees produce figs (with fig seeds in them). Thorn trees do not produce figs. Genesis One, Chapter One.
This is a Law woven into the very fabric of (re-)Creation itself. (Go back and read : RE-Creation. All the “stuff” was already there. But it was all jumbled together – concatenated. Before it could be put back right again, it had to first be separated into components. By stages). (From here to “alchemy” is a very short step indeed).
Genetic Determinism is one of the conceptual axioms intrinsic to Scripture (if not to those who claim to “interpret” it).
This is simple, but not simplistic. It does not follow from this that every fruit tree will automatically produce good fruit in abundance (as we have seen). But it does follow that only olive trees have the genetic capacity to produce olives at all, and a great deal of considerable significance follows in turn from this. One of its consequences is that Christians are born — not made. Christ said that he was sent ONLY unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel too plainly to mistake his meaning. He said they would hear his voice, and history shows that they did. (Now re-read the Great Commission that the “dispensationalists” invoke as a supposed negation of this: “As I have been sent, So I send you.” [I.e., ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Israel]. Go out unto all the world . . .” [And where were the lost — scattered abroad in punishment — sheep by then ? All throughout the world]).
As a strategy to get around a lot of useless assumptions, regard peoples as metals. Iron is not “superior to” other metals outside of a narrowly defined set of referents not apparent to metals which do not share its nature.
Magnetism, to iron, is a possibility. It is not something guaranteed, but it is a potential it has – either spontaneously (magnetite occurs naturally) or by induction from already magnetized iron (“teaching”). Either way, iron has the capacity to sense and to respond to something “other” in creation — to have an agency role in the greater scheme of things. To participate, in a sense, in the “occult” [hidden, because inaccessible to other metals] as it were. To iron, the “other,” invisible realm is a reality, verified by experience. (“My sheep hear my voice”).
Truth without can only be known by means of truth within – as true north is sensed by a magnetized needle under proper conditions, spontaneously. To those who have, more (and by this means) shall be added, given appropriate effort: note (in passing) that it is the Truth which is to set us free. Nobody (Rabbi Saul notwithstanding) did (or ever will do) it “for us,” any more than someone else can eat, drink, sleep or perform other functions for us.
To zinc, copper and the rest, this is all stuff and nonsense – occultism easily “disproven” by the materialist “science” it has limited to what is perceptible to it. Since experience of magnetism is an obvious impossibility to it, magnetism is thus, necessarily, a superstitious relic of non-“enlightenment” ignorance.
This is one reason why the creation of alloys (interbreeding) with alien metals is prohibited. Not because other metals are “bad” (metals, like trees, do not have “morals”), but because the results are generally useless — a waste of good iron (whether magnetized or not) and of otherwise serviceable non-ferrous metal. Ergo, “The wicked go astray from the womb, spouting lies.” (These would include the “random mutations” so beloved by the Darwinian analogue of the man who believes that he can make a living by winning at the casino).
Herein lies one nexus of the much-misconstrued “doctrine” of Predestination – and of “inherited sin” as well. Whether it accords with our attempted insistence that everything be “fair” (and there is nothing “fair” at all about Love — God’s for his fallen bride) or not, the fact is (announced in advance) that when the Husbandman (Gardener, Owner of the Vineyard) returns, the thorn trees will be cut down for firewood – so that they will at least be good for something, in spite of themselves. And while the grading of fruit trees will be “on the curve,” the unproductive fruit trees will join them (as will the useless hybrids – capable, through absolutely no fault of their own, of nothing worthwhile in the context of the master plan) (aka the Design of Creation).
“As I have been sent” (i.e., only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, to seek and to save), so I send you.” To this specific group (sheep) is extended the (much twisted and misconstrued) general invitation, “whosoever will.” “Theology” notwithstanding, it is extended specifically to Sheep – not to pigs, goats, dogs, turkeys, rats, jackasses or other fellow-creatures in the “family of God” barnyard.
If a “good tree” murders its brother, what kind of fruit is that? Is it a lack of fruit, or is it bad fruit?
Matthew 6:15-20,
“15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.”
“So EVERY GOOD TREE BEARS GOOD FRUIT, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.” A good tree WILL bear good fruit, and it cannot bear bad fruit. A bad tree WILL bear bad fruit, and it cannot bear good fruit.
“7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous… 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God.” (1 John 3:7&10)
He who practices righteousness is righteous. That is the one who bears good fruit, and he bears good fruit because he is a child of God. He is a good tree, because the fruit which he produces is good.
The one who does not practice righteousness produces bad fruit, and he bears bad fruit because he is a child of the devil. He is a bad tree, because the fruit which he produces is bad.
Then “be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choice of you; for as long as you practice these things [bearing good fruit], you will never stumble” (2 Peter 1:10). Therefore, let us make certain to bear good fruit and not bad fruit.
The prophet who tells others that they are good trees and can only produce good fruit, when their deeds witness against them, that prophet produces bad fruit, and he contradicts the teachings of the Scriptures. That prophet comes in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly he is a ravening wolf.
You both make excellent, and, I believe true points. Trees and their fruits are both physical and spiritual.
We know that there are some who are physically bad trees. These being men, an established nation. At the very least, Edom (Malachi 1:4, Psalm 137:7-8, Hebrews 12:17, Romans 9:11-15, Jude 1:4, 1:10, 2 Pet 2:12, 20-22 (where if they manage to repent, they will just fall again because it’s prophecy) and many more, and at most, Edom, Cain, and Canaan (for whatever reason one wants to conceive as the reason or not the reason).
I think a non-Edomite Adamic man (and non Israelite), one of the nation’s, if they are producing bad fruit, and are not corrected by our Father, it would be because they do not yet know Jesus. If they know Jesus, and backslide, producing bad fruit, they could forfeit their position on the holy tree, considering they are not natural branches (Romans 11:19-24).
If you are an Israelite and produce bad fruit, it would be because God has hardened you for the purpose of salvation to the nations (Romans 11:7-12) otherwise, you would hear your Shepherd’s words (John 10:27).
Wish we could edit our comments.
I want my statement to be “and at most, Edom, Cain, and Canaan” instead of ” and at most, Edom and Cain”.
Done.
The parable, already assuming the audience is Adamic men, is only referring to spiritual trees and spiritual fruit. Having said that…
Hebrews 12:17, Romans 9:11-15, Jude and Peter you quoted all confirm God’s choice. Even Edom losing his birthright confirms God’s choice as it said, “And the older will serve the younger.” (Genesis 25:23)
The whole of Romans 9 is a teaching on God’s choice and predestination. He chooses who are the vessels of mercy and who are the vessels of destruction. Vessels of mercy are good trees, while vessels of destruction are bad trees. As Paul says in Romans 8:29-30, “29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.”
This is why He said, “Let the dead bury their own dead.” There is a command here to find the eternal family which God has chosen since before the foundation of the world. To reduce it to the physical is a travesty.
As Peter said, “Therefore, brothers and sisters, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choice of you…”
I understand your position.
To clarify, my second paragraph was describing the physical.
My 3rd and 4th paragraphs were spiritual.
The things I quoted were for the purpose of showing God’s election like you pointed out. And there exists at least 1 nation which God elected to never receive salvation. That nation is Edom. 2 Peter even goes as far as to say that if they do find Christ, and become washed, then they WILL backslide and their state would be worse than before, as it says:
“2 Peter 2:20-22
[20]For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
[21]For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
[22]It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
And then earlier in says:
“2 Peter 2:1,12
[1]But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
[12]But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,”
These false prophets described in 2 Peter 2 and in Jude are those were were “born to be captured and killed”. That’s why I provided psalms 137 as well which calls Edom, specifically, the child of Babylon and that parallels these false prophets from 2 Peter and Jude:
“Psalms 137:7-9
[7]Remember, O Lord, against the sons of Edom The day of Jerusalem, Who said, “Raze it, raze it To its very foundation.”
[8]O daughter of Babylon, you devastated one, How blessed will be the one who repays you With the recompense with which you have repaid us.
[9]How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock.”
That’s why I think Edom can be classified as a bad physical tree because none can stay in the good graces of God. If they try, God will tear them down.
They can’t repent. It’s literally, they are a bad tree which can not produce good fruit.
While I understand the importance of not completely reducing the parable to a physical thing, I also think it’s not 100% true to the scripture to reduce it to completely a spiritual thing either. It’s both.
I think your intentions are better than others (those reducing it to physical only) though for making it plainly spiritual. God grades the heart,and it seems like you have a very good one.
Connecting it to Edom specifically is tenuous, I believe. I’m not even sure the “daughter of Babylon” is Edom, because the context is their Babylonian captivity. It was Babylon who destroyed Judah, not Edom. Edom only stood by and furthered the destruction (Ezekiel 35:15, Ezekiel 36:5). “Blessed will be one who repays you with the retribution with which you have repaid us” can only really refer to Babylon.
Edom was a close neighbor of Israel and they feature a lot in prophecy, but they just aren’t that big a deal in the grand scheme of things. With an agenda of proving something about Edom, people look up verses about Edom and find them, but they don’t realize that similar things are said about all the nations. Edom is not very special in this regard.
Because there is an agenda in the research, it is ignored that Edom is actually destined to be saved in Jeremiah 49:11 where it says, “Leave your orphans behind, I will keep them alive; And let your widows trust in Me.” It says in Amos 9:12, “So that they may possess the remnant of Edom”. Amos 9 is a restoration of Israel prophecy, which points to the millennial reign. Revelation 5:9 says, “You purchased people for God with Your blood from every tribe, language, people, and nation.” It’s it’s every nation, then it’s Edom too.
The Lord condemns Israel of the same thing you’ve referred to with Edom in Matthew 12:43-45, “43 Now when the unclean spirit comes out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45 Then it goes and brings along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they come in and live there; and the last condition of that person becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.” This is a dog returning to its own vomit, and it’s exactly what lead to the being destroyed and going into punishment.
The chilling truth is that the beasts who are meant to be captured and killed are Israelites too. It is because Israelites in their haughtiness think they are exempt from having to be pure. We don’t need to apply it to a specific nation either, because Peter provides much description in 2 Peter 2 which we can see in Israelites and non-Israelites even today. Making that chapter all about Edom is a very dangerous game. The scape-goat won’t save us from God’s wrath.
We all open the bible with an agenda. An agenda to learn something, or prove something, or feel something. My connecting of 2 Peter to Edom isn’t done because I want to exempt Israel of anything. It’s just simply to understand who these predestined false prophets are. I find it hard to apply the context of the chapter as a spiritual message alone because Peter and Jude seem to be describing a particular people.
Maybe I’m wrong, but the only people I’ve been able to clearly identifying as someone God pre-knew and hated, and prophecied to always tear them down is Edom.
Matthew 12:43-45 was Jesus answering Pharisees. To say that he was condemning Israel via talking to the Pharisees is potentially also an arduous task. Maybe Israel was included there, but certainly it’s not an Israel exclusive message.
I do think that psalms 137 makes it pretty clear that Edom is the (or at least ‘a’) child of Babylon. And that blessed is one who dashes the little ones of Babylon against the rock.
In Jeremiah 49, the full section is:
“Jeremiah 49:7-11
[7]Concerning Edom. Thus says the Lord of hosts, “Is there no longer any wisdom in Teman? Has good counsel been lost to the prudent? Has their wisdom decayed?
[8]”Flee away, turn back, dwell in the depths, O inhabitants of Dedan, For I will bring the disaster of Esau upon him At the time I punish him.
[9]”If grape gatherers came to you, Would they not leave gleanings? If thieves came by night, They would destroy only until they had enough.
[10]”But I have stripped Esau bare, I have uncovered his hiding places So that he will not be able to conceal himself; His offspring has been destroyed along with his relatives And his neighbors, and he is no more.
[11]”Leave your orphans behind, I will keep them alive; And let your widows trust in Me.””
I was wondering if v11 could mean non edomites dwelling in edom, or maybe a description of the inhabitants of these particular cities and what’s left of them once Esau’s posterity is destroyed from amongst them.
But, I do thank you for pointing out Amos 9:12. It seems to be that there will be a small portion which God will save from Edom, if thats the real take away from the passage. So, the take away from that is that Esau not finding repentance can’t be applied to all of edom, but most of it. So, most of Edom are bad physical trees I suppose. But, they too possess the capacity to be a wild olive which can be grafted into the cultivated tree contrary to it’s nature.
Regardless, the outlook for Edom is grim, and they don’t have the promise like Jacob. The entire purpose of thinking 2 Peter 2 and Jude refer mostly to Edom is entirely based upon God’s predestined hate for them and their status of being a vessel of destruction in order to glorify the vessels of mercy.
Do I think Israel is incapable of evil? Obviously not. There are heinous acts done by them.. the most impactful one to me was Judges 19-21, the account of the Levite’s wife being raped all night, killed, then he dismembers her and sends her parts out the other tribes, striking up a civil war for vengeance.
Israel absolutely contains the capacity for evil, just like the other Nations. But, the calling and gifts of God are irrevocable. And Christ makes it clear that his sheep hear his words. And the ones who don’t, Paul makes it clear it’s because of God hardening them for the purpose of salvation to the nations.
I think there is maybe a little bit too much contesting that goes on with the fate of Israel or words in the bible because everyone in CI thinks that whites are Israel (or that they are Israel). So, the contest is do white need to repent or not, which gets construed into what does the bible say about Israel. But, I think it’s incredibly presumptuous to assume anyone here is an Israelite. We don’t know. We can believe, but we won’t know until we stand before Christ in judgment. No matter what, it’s best to henge your bets that maybe you’re not, so you must be fearful of God and your standing on the cultivated tree.
Because the Bible says that all Israel is saved. It says that hardened Israel will receive life from death, that mercy will be shown to them because through their disobedience mercy was shown to the nations.
In my 11th paragraph (LOL), I meant to say that “everyone in CI thinks that all whites are Israel” as opposed to “everyone in CI thinks that whites are Israel”. Obviously, only a white man can be an Israelite.
— “We all open the bible with an agenda. An agenda to learn something, or prove something, or feel something.”–
An agenda to learn and an agenda to prove something about Edom are vastly different, no?
— “Matthew 12:43-45 was Jesus answering Pharisees. To say that he was condemning Israel via talking to the Pharisees is potentially also an arduous task.” —
The Lord uses the word “generation” or “genea” (G1074). He is talking to Pharisees, but He is referring to more than just them. As I mentioned, His words were also fulfilled for Judea just prior to the invasions by Titus and the Romans.
— “But, the calling and gifts of God are irrevocable. And Christ makes it clear that his sheep hear his words.” —
“For they are not all Israel who are from Israel” (Romans 9:6) and “Though the number of the sons of Israel may be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved” (Romans 9:27).
“4 But what is the divine response to him? “I have kept for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.” (Romans 11:4-5)
The context is the remnant of Israel. The “lost sheep of the house of Israel” is not all Israel. It is only those who are the Lord’s sheep from Israel. Not all Israel are the Lord’s sheep. Yet there are more sheep…
“And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd.” (John 10:16)
His sheep hear His voice, so then “make sure of your calling”, because He said, “If you love me, keep My commandments”. If anyone does not keep His commandments, they will be cast into the lake of fire. He says, “I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.” If He never knew someone, then they weren’t one of His sheep. John says, “Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness”. Therefore, those who practice lawlessness and sin are those who the Lord does not know. Paul said, “For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son.” His sheep are decided already and He knows them. Again, “make sure of your calling”.
— “But, I think it’s incredibly presumptuous to assume anyone here is an Israelite.” —
And yet the remnant of Israel will be there at the Lord’s coming.
“Now faith is the certainty of things hoped for, a proof of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1) It isn’t an assumption. It’s faith, “And without faith it is impossible to please Him” (Hebrews 11:6).
One can be an heir of the righteousness of faith at the same time as being an Israelite to whom pertain the promises and the service of God? Anyone is welcome to find it presumptuous, but I will continue in faith.
— “Because the Bible says that all Israel is saved.” —
It says that “all Israel will be saved; just as it is written”, and then Paul goes and quotes Isaiah 59. This is not a reference to all Israel across all time, but specifically the remnant of Israel who Paul has been talking about for the last two chapters. Paul has spend a long while explaining God’s choice and predestination to the remnant of Israel, but so many think he is saying that all the genetic descendants of Israel will be saved. Surely this defies all reason?
The only thing that defies all reason is God’s mercy and grace. If reason were accounted for in grace, then all of us are not worthy of eternal life and we have no hope.
Paul,in my opinion, wasn’t referring to only remnant Israel being saved eternally. He was talking about how God constantly keeps some of Israel pure and keeps them from worldy destruction. Generation in and generation out He keeps a portion for Himself. Always. I think Romans 11:4-5 confirms this. Going back to Paul’s quote of Isaiah 10, I believe the context of isaiah 10 is physical destruction brought upon them by the king of Assyria/God’s wrath on the king of Assyria, and not destruction brought upon them by God in the lake of fire after judgment day. Those who aren’t a part of this elected pure remnant by grace alone will face worldy destruction for their sins.
Paul is clearly talking about hardened Israel in Romans 11:11-12, 15, 30-32. He isn’t talking about elect, pure, remnant israel.
When I open the Bible, my concern and objective is to feed on spiritual food. Unfortunately for me, and honestly to my displeasure, the Spirit convicts me to look at Israel and Edom. I’ve had so many opinions on it for years. And this is where I’m at right now. If the Spirit directs me to open the Bible and look at Edom, then that’s what I will be content to do. It’s exhausting to me though. I don’t enjoy it. It doesn’t give me pleasure to read about them because I know it’s so divisive. There is little more I despise than division of the body of Christ.
I didn’t have the intent of pushing my beliefs on anyone. My intent was to reconcile two views that I believe are reconcilable. Why? Because a divided body can not stand.
I also did not mean to attack anyone’s faith. My point was to illuminate that these arguments over Israel and their salvation fundamentally boil down to the belief that they are white and are also of Israelite stock. Instead of discussing Israel and other adamic nations seperately, they mash the discussion together like it’s the same discussion when it’s not. They are intertwined and ever linked, but not the same.
They are different. One is from the cultivated tree, the holy lump by nature. Others aren’t. Both receive salvation through Christ’s blood.
To think that all Israel is saved doesn’t detract from Christ’s work, or God’s grace. It strengthens it. Romans 9-11 shows that God is in full control while also keeping his vows while also holding everyone accountable for their actions. Mysterious are His ways indeed.
— “Generation in and generation out He keeps a portion for Himself. Always. I think Romans 11:4-5 confirms this.” —
I agree, and it is according to His choice. The fact that He has promised this and fulfilled it shows that there will always only be a remnant until the Lord’s coming.
— “I believe the context of isaiah 10 is physical destruction brought upon them by the king of Assyria/God’s wrath on the king of Assyria, and not destruction brought upon them by God in the lake of fire after judgment day.” —
I agree, but in Romans 9 Paul is taking a prophecy originally about Irael and Assyria, and he is applying it to something present. When David said, “The Lord said to my Lord, sit though at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool”, the context was David himself. This prophecy applied to him as his enemies did become a footstool. Later on, it was revealed a greater fulfilment in Christ. The prophecy was fulfilled twice.
That’s the thing though, is that people only seem to apply prophecy in this way to Edom. The standard that prophecy can be dual in nature and have greater fulfillment only seems to apply to Edom in the minds of many. But then Isaiah 10 with Assyria can’t be dual fulfillment too, even when Paul quotes it as something in the present? Even the Lord Himself quotes many Old Testament prophecies referring to the same pattern of events which Paul refers to in Isaiah 10/Romans 9, Isaiah 52/Romans 10 and Isaiah 59/Romans 11.
Just a quick clarification: I don’t believe that Paul is saying Isaiah 10 refers to judgement day either. I think he is referring to the return of Christ.
— “Paul is clearly talking about hardened Israel in Romans 11:11-12, 15, 30-32. He isn’t talking about elect, pure, remnant israel.” —
Consider a few verses in parallel:
“But it is not as though the word of God has failed.” (Rom 9:6) / “I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? Far from it!” (Rom 11:1)
“For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel” (Rom 9:6) / “there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice.” (Romans 11:5)
Yes, Paul is talking about a hardened Israel insofar as it was the cause for salvation coming to the nations according to God’s choice. However, the remnant of Israel are all Israel, otherwise what’s the point of Romans 9? This is why Israel’s identity must be perfected in faith and not in the flesh (though the flesh is required). Those who were hardened will remain hardened until the Lord returns.
— “I also did not mean to attack anyone’s faith.” —
No worries at all. I really do think that faith is essential though as it relates to our identity. Yes, they mash things together, but we’ll unmash them over time I believe.
— “To think that all Israel is saved doesn’t detract from Christ’s work” —
I’m not saying it detracts from Christ’s work. I’m saying it defies many, many Scriptures which say otherwise. Doesn’t Hebrews 10:26, written to Israelites, already disprove “all Israel is saved”? I don’t want my kindred to trample underfoot the Son of God, or insult the Spirit of Grace, because I don’t want them to suffer the consequences. I want to see my kindred in the Kingdom one day.
Thanks Johan. That all does make sense. I’m really glad we do see lots of this the same way too.
I have just two points though.
“Romans 9:6
[6]…For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;”
I believe this is a more inclusive rather than exclusive statement. I think it means Spirit Israel isn’t exclusively filled with just Jacob. The finalized cultivated tree will contain more than just the seed of Jacob.
I really should look into it more, but I think that when the OT refers to Israel as a “she” in the OT it’s Spirit Israel, but when it refers to Israel as a “he” / Jacob, it’s referring to the physical seed.
In Jeremiah 31:22, at the end of a prophecy detailing Jacob’s redemption, at the end it says “Jeremiah 31:22
[22]”How long will you go here and there, O faithless daughter? For the Lord has created a new thing in the earth- A woman will encompass a man.”
A woman (Spirit Israel) will encompass a man (Jacob).
Just like: Not all Israel (Spirit Israel) are defended from Israel (Jacob).
Point 2 is relating to Hebrews 10:26.
Hebrews 10:26 says that “[26]For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,”
The implication is that if we go on sinning after receiving the knowledge of truth. This, admittedly, is very close to the warning given by Christ to the Pharisees. The thing with hardened Israel, is that they don’t receive the knowledge of the truth. God has prevented them from seeing…
But! If they do receive the knowledge and they are no longer hardened and they escape the perpetual sentence of sin and chastisement in this world, then they choose to willfully go on sinning, then there is expectation of major, major judgement.
This fury of fire that will consume the adversaries, it could refer to the physical destruction of this world still, and not be the lake of fire, or it could be the lake of fire.
I can 100% see an Israelite being cut off completely, but it’s difficult. I think these Israelites aren’t the hardened ones described in Romans 9-11, as the hardened ones are put in place for righteous reasons, making their work subsequently righteous in a way (which I think Paul describes). But one who is released from the hardening, then goes on willfully sinning, then that could be the end of the line for them.
— “I believe this is a more inclusive rather than exclusive statement. I think it means Spirit Israel isn’t exclusively filled with just Jacob. The finalized cultivated tree will contain more than just the seed of Jacob.” —
Romans 9:1-5, Paul expresses sorrow over his kinsman according to the flesh. He is saying this is bad for his people. This sets the tone for the rest…
Romans 9:6-18, Paul gives a well reasoned argument that those to whom promises are given don’t always inherit them i.e. Abraham’s many sons did not receive the promises to him, but only Isaac did. Even though Isaac was called, Esau didn’t receive the promises to him, but only Jacob did. Each time it was God’s choice. He is saying that it is not uncommon for those to whom promises are given to not inherit those promises at all.
Romans 9:19-22, Paul says that the objects of wrath are prepared for destruction. Those who have been hardened for “righteous reasons” are still destined for destruction. This is exactly why Paul says, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” It’s because they will be destroyed, even though they were candidates for certain promises, and even though they were destined to be objects of wrath.
Romans 9:23-26, Paul says that this was all done for the sake of the nations and dispersed tribes of Israel. We can’t add our own reasoning, that because the ultimate goal was righteous, that it nullifies everything Paul has said until this point. It was done for righteous reasons, but that righteousness belongs to God. Those who were hardened will die in unrighteousness, being destined for destruction.
Romans 9:27-29, Paul clarifies again that out of all Israel’s physical descendants, there will only be a remnant. Having given his argument, already having provided justification in his examples (v6-18), he gives justification which applies specifically to Israel. He gave the patter in v6-18, but now he is showing where it states prophetically that this same pattern will be fulfilled in Israel.
Romans 9:30-33, Paul reaffirms that Israel were unrighteous, because they didn’t work by faith. He is giving the reason for the conclusion of his argument. The argument is that many Israelites are just vessels of wrath, and now he has said it is specifically because they didn’t fulfill they didn’t have faith.
With Paul’s own argument, I can’t see how he could be saying what you’re suggesting.
I just want to reiterate my point on faith though, that Israel lost out because they didn’t have faith. They had their country and genealogies to affirm that they were Israelites, but they still didn’t have faith. Now, our only option as Israelites is to have faith, and to be Israelites by faith, because we have no country or genealogies. The promises still apply to genetic/physical Israelites, but the only way to realize them is if those physical descendants have faith, because there is no other way for them to know.
Quick question: Do you think the high priests of Acts 4:6, who rejected Christ, will be given eternal life?
I think we could perpetually go back and forth over Romans 9-11. Which is understandable considering its a widely contested point across all Christendom.
Relative to Acts 4:6, im not sure. God is the judge, which im thankful for. Im not qualified to come to a conclusion like that. If their hardness means the salvation of the nations, then what will their acceptance be but life from death? Or, were these high priests partakers in Christ and then rejected Him? Or were these from non Israelite nations. We dont know and we also dont know the identity of the high priests. I know it says they were from high priestly descent, but what does that mean (does it mean they descent form Aaron or does it mean they are related to potentially non Israelites who may have been high priests in Judea)? When Peter addresses them, there is potential he is addressing them separate from Israel in Ch4v10 “let it be known to all of you (high priests) and to all the people of Israel”. We know that Judean religion back then contained many whom were not from Israel. There also was one priest, Gamaliel, who appears to have done the right thing contextually which maybe adds to the idea that not all of the high priests were of the same mind and soul. Some were more godly focused, others were more interested in power.
Id say the odds are stacked against them. But, again, i dont know for certain. Their actions arent good, but i dont know the motive behind the actions nor for what purpose relative to the grand scheme of adamic salvation.
High priest was only given if the correct genealogies allowed, and they had to be proven. They had those genealogies in Nehemiah’s time as well and beyond. If they were high priests, then for sure they were of a specific lineage: Levites and sons of Aaron. Though if Luke said they were of high priestly descent, then far be it from me to question it.
Assuming the priests died in rejection to Christ, and assuming they were indeed pure Israelites and sons of Aaron, then do you think they’d have eternal life?
“Fruit” refers to the produce created by a ‘tree’s culture, faith & inner-nature through inheritance, including genetics.
Genetics is not separate from a person’s ability to be moral according to God’s will and laws.
Some people are born without a shred of remorse or genuine social ability (empathy).
The idea that people are all born the same way except for a few cosmetic differences is completely false and that’s what these ones do not understand because they’ve never had reason to look into it.