The “Mars” rover has been in the news this week — this time NASA is claiming that the rover is able to collect rock samples from the surface of Mars — and will eventually transfer those rock samples onto a module and return them to Earth for examination — allegedly sometime in the 2030s.
Interestingly, over 10 years ago, a NASA contractor — inXitu, Inc. — claimed to have developed a rover that could collect and analyze rocks right on the surface of Mars and transmit the results back to Earth without having to physically transport the rocks back to Earth — however, this recent article on rock collecting on Mars fails to mention that common sense technology at all.
Physically transporting rocks back to Earth to be examined is something that we’d expect to see only in low-budget 1950s sci-fi movies.
Richard Hall — a British engineer who runs the website RichPlanet.net — has done a series of videos examining an increasing mountain of evidence suggesting serious chicanery involving these rovers on “Mars”.
As they say, “a picture is worth a thousand words” — and those pictures allegedly coming back from Mars are being surreptitiously vetted long before the public — and even most NASA employees — get to see them.
In his series “Where Are The Mars Rovers?” Hall discusses many of these anomalies with his fellow scientist Andrew Johnson. In Part 3 of that series, they discuss a lengthy anonymous essay posted on an astrophysicists blog written by a software engineer who had worked for NASA — and during a routine trouble-shooting job with the rover, discovered a “backdoor” in the Mars rover’s software that allowed NASA to receive thumbnail images from the rovers “on Mars” allegedly in real time — no time delay, but because of the immense distance between Earth and Mars — this would be a scientific impossibility — as radio transmission faster than the speed of light is an impossibility.
Of course, the software engineer truly believed that the rovers were on Mars — as do most NASA scientists — so the only explanation he could come up with to account for how NASA was receiving these thumbnails in real time was to speculate that NASA had developed some “secret” technology that allowed them to receive these images in real time while failing to apply Occam’s Razor and completely ignoring the simplest — and obvious — explanation that they rovers were on Earth, not Mars.
We have taken the time to transcribe the fascinating conversation between Richard Hall and Andrew Johnson — which you can read here below — or you can watch the original video here on RichPlanet’s video YouTube channel:
Andrew Johnson: [In 2010] they were basically looking into a scenario where one of the rovers had failed to respond to a command which had been given to it — and this is flagged up automatically as something that needs to be investigated by the techie guys. So they did what is called a “memory dump” — where they saved out a portion of the rover’s memory RAM to look at what software was actually running at the time this fault occurred. And they talk about reverse engineering the source language back into C-code — de-compiling — so they could work out what had caused this software fault….And during the course of that analysis, they found some code which had been loaded into the RAM which they didn’t recognize. And looking at the memory mapping in this code, it appeared to be talking to another module. These modules have a particular IO address — or output address — in the system. And so when they looked into that, they had all sorts of specs for the rovers and how they worked…So they then they worked out what appeared to be happening was the code was talking to another radio module — and further to that — they were able to retrieve some of the data which this radio module had been working with. And it turned out they were actually able to save out some of this data — and it turned out to be thumbnail images — which are these little versions of images that you see on digital cameras when you want to look at a preview. And then after several weeks, they took the thumbnails that they managed to retrieve from the analysis they’d done and comparing those to other thumbnails which were already on their database…Richard Hall: They did a scan of the whole JPL [Jet Propulsion Lab] network. One of them had access to other departments within JPL ’cause he was an administrator of some kind — and they generated their own thumbnail, which had certain characteristics within it — because it was generated using this specific function — and they did a scan comparing it and found some being generated with the same code. Someone in the JPL company had access to this secret code that was running in the….Spirit Rover….
Johnson: And then they found where these secret or rogue thumbnail images…these clandestinely retrieved thumbnail images — found where they were stored. They were stored in another office in JPL….called Quantum Sciences and Technology.
Hall: So they then started to eavesdrop on part of their network — and found that they were in communication with one of the rovers in real time. Normally, it would take between 6 and 20 minutes to — and then back from the rover because it’s on Mars, but they were communicating in real time…
Johnson: And they worked that out from the time stamp on the images — and the way these images had a time stamp coming from the rover — and they could compare that with when the actual file had been saved on that system…
Hall: And this is the key, folks: the conclusion that these guys come to — they said, well, this department, Quantum Sciences and Technology have obviously developed faster than light radio communications….so that’s how they are able to this backdoor into the rover. And what functionally was being done with the rover is someone was previewing images, deleting some of them, and modifying some of them. Just to expand on that, there is an extra device on the rover that no one knows about that the computer system is communicating with surreptitiously and someone is accessing thumbnails via that link — they are reviewing them in some way — and are deleting certain images. So there is a third party got a backdoor into the rover. And these two engineers — because they are so convinced that these rovers are on Mars — they say the only solution is — the only thing we can think of is — that this secret department has developed faster than light radio communications….
Johnson: They don’t really give a reason as to why they employ these faster than light communications….
Hall: An explanation which is just as plausible — more plausible in my opinion — is that the thing is on the Earth — and it’s being communicated by some low-flying satellite.
Johnson: Even if we take their explanation as being the correct one….it clearly suggests some scenario where the images are being previewed — they are being pre-examined — before they are being dealt with in some other way….
Hall: This rover has what is called a VME back plane….and it’s industry standard. The main processor module in the rover is ruggedized, so it’s more robust than something you’d get in a power station, but the same back plane. Normally, in VME systems, you would have spare slots, so it’s a bit like your computer with extra PCI slots — and is it the case that the rover in question, the Spirit Rover, does have a redundant slot, and they’ve pushed another card into the rack, and then added a radio transceiver that the card is talking to….but to make that work, you’d have to modify the software in the main processor in order to communicate via the VME bus, which is what these engineers realized….so someone has added a bit of code and a bit of hardware, so that the thing can be controlled, and the images can be deleted via a radio link. That radio link can easily be sent to a local satellite dish — and they could be sitting in the next office at JPL. So you got one department who are getting the images, and they think they are coming from Mars, and there’s another department across the road who know it is on the Earth, and they were accessing the images in real time, and were deleting the ones they don’t want them to see.
Johnson: The guy who has written this story tells how the computer he’s working on gets broken into — so he gets spooked by this — and though he’s not found out and he’s not taken aside by anyone at NASA — he decides to jump ship. And the friend he was working with — he can never speak to him again…
This is funny….another screw up….Perseverance Rover on “Mars” shows a rainbow in the sky….
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stunning-photo-rainbow-mars-nasa-answer-perseverance-rover/
NASA’S explanation is ridiculous…..
i have looked into this i have concluded that nasa lies about many things like they say they went to the moon but they did not as buzz aldrin let slip nassa never went to the moon , looking at so called moon landing footage no stars just blackness you would expect being in space you can see the stars better , amateur astronomers take great pics of starry night sky and you can see stars from your house at night , nasa had the moon landings filmed here on earth in a large sound stage many segments could of been pre filmed , as for mars rover fakery observant people have spotted a fly on a mars rover and a mouse or rat , these days would be easy to fake a rover on mars plenty of barren areas like nevada with a touch of effects tint footage to make look like mars , even elon musk space x in on the fakery too a suppose view of rocket engine in space and observant people notice something crawling on it a mouse , then you question is there even anyone in the so called space station is that filmed in a studio
i also read about the challenger deception how many of the so called victims seen alive after the event much like many mass shooting events victims are seen alive and well much later like the so called saudi hijackers seen alive and well this is deception on a vast scale
Challenger Crew Alive and Well – Another False Flag Media Event https://christianobserver.net/challenger-crew-alive-and-well-just-another-false-flag-lie/
Buzz Aldrin Confesses We Never Went to the Moon https://youtu.be/sGoXn1vMrjE
RAT CRAWLING ON THE ENGINE OF SPACEX ROCKET IN FLIGHT!!
https://youtu.be/_NGZdcuyIto
SpaceX rocket launch video shows Mouse outside?
https://youtu.be/1TDJHXgxuK8
How Stanley Kubrick
Faked the Apollo Moon Landings http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/07/how-stanley-kubrick-faked-the-apollo-moon-landings-2/
Moon Landing Hoax: Why the faked Kubrick Confession matters http://themillenniumreport.com/2017/11/moon-landing-hoax-why-the-faked-kubrick-confession-matters%ef%bb%bf/
10 Reasons the Moon Landings Could Be a Hoax http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/07/1o-very-good-reasons-why-the-apollo-moon-landing-was-a-hoax/
NASA’s Worst Virtual Reality Fail 2018! https://christianobserver.net/nasas-worst-virtual-reality-fail-2018/
also this i may add NASA Confesses to Dosing Americans with Air-Borne Lithium & Other Chemicals https://christianobserver.net/nasa-confesses-to-dosing-americans-with-air-borne-lithium-other-chemicals/
trash found on mars more like here on earth https://youtu.be/RDnCiDp1DaU
the more and more you look into these things uncover more lies and deception you start to pick apart at other things and question
NASA LIES – NASA in HEBREW means “TO DECEIVE” …. in Plain Sight for ALL to SEE …
title of a video is that true does NASA mean to lie deceive whats your opinion please , also i read that many freemasons work in nasa https://youtu.be/auik4D1yIAY
i saw a full size mock up of the so called moon lander i said to someone how can a lunar rover and the equipment they used fit in that thing the lunar rover would be larger than a dune buggy also the space suits look flimsy one rip and exposure to vacuum of space , many in nasa are freemasons and buzz aldrin has been pictured doing occult hand signs because they are into their neumerology symbolism , online i have told christians to learn the secrets of your enemies observe what they do be watchmen and set up a info sharing network know who your enemy is the methods they use once you know that you can better defend your faith and others but do encourage others to do same , i learnt more teach myself than i did in school which does not even teach uks constitution , back to nasa which has its own church that looks more like a temple and if nasa can fake moon landing mars rover missions what else can the fake is the space station real or is it filmed in studio does nasa collude with jewish run holywood why not holywood land of make believe easy to fake space these days especially when you know how they do hollywood effects cgi etc.. observant people have noticed odd things in space station interior footage like bubbles a dropped screw its all these small things that add up and you begin to question is nasa a scam organisation seem more like a holywood reality show , its pathetic really all this fakery its like one big walter mitty land of make believe a land of delusions , is nasa a cover for money laundering , i dont know if you have heard of the captain tom charity in uk that was a scam too run by freemasons realitives of captain tom run maytrix consulting company i checked on companies house its a private public limited company so the £30+ million raised for nhs only tiny amount went to nhs where the rest went laundered via finchley road no doubt which is a den of fraud money laundering , so people were scammed of their money they put an old man in front of people to tug on their heart strings to scam money out of people i tell people that many big charities are bent and corrupt and more seem to be joining them like lifeboat rescue rnli acting as migrant taxi service shutting down services while boss is on over £150,000 in pay perks generous pension and executives on £70,000 many people have cancelled their donations stopped supporting rnli including local fisherman who demanded rnli to stop bringing in migrants they blocked an rnli launch in protest i assume the boss of rnli is a common purpose agent to undermine it like common purpose undermined carillion leading to its collapse , rnli are proud of the fact they bring in migrants acting as people traffickers for kalergi plan they are attacking their own race by their actions i do really feel sorry for the volunteers and that another great institution ruined and polluted by degenerate lgbtq land of woke , i know a lot about financial scams fraud money laundering but gordon bowden learnt a lot from him RIP gordon , i hope i have given you something to think about
Joke: What do you call someone who believes in the moon landings?
A: An American.
–97% of Americans believed we landed on the moon
–Outside of the US, the numbers fall below 50%.
Great to see how so many commenters are using their real names and are easily identified as real people!
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Andrew, welcome to CFT. We have followed your work for many years — and appreciate what you have done on these subjects.
We do encourage anonymity on our site — including ourselves for a very simple reason — when comments are made by identifiable people, they will be attacked using ad hominem arguments, focusing on the person and not the facts. Anonymity forces readers to focus on the facts and the arguments, not on the person — or the person’s sweater, as in your case, to quote Richard Hall.
All too often people use false appeals to “authority” to defend their positions — and as you’ve pointed out many times, these “experts” with big names and big degrees aren’t such experts at all.
We’ve just added a link to your website, https://www.checktheevidence.com/wordpress/ as an embedded link in the introduction to the article.
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Many thanks – I know what you mean, but anonymity has been one of the biggest problems in sensible online discussion since at least 2005. E.g. on our facebook 9/11 group, we have relatively little trolling and have had some decent links posted by others who genuinely want to know and learn the truth. (I don’t want to sound like an advocate of FB, of course, because it has so many issues, but the trolling is way, way, way less there in my experience. It is much easier to spot a fake or manufactured profile on FB and challenge the poster to explain their comments when they don’t make a meaningful contribution. They usually go quiet pretty quickly.)
Eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
So much tom foolery and way too easy nowadays to easily see the doctored pictures and just plain bad 60’s/70’s movie reel release footage. Seriously, if you still believe in the moon landing, Peter Pan called…
Funny thing is I made a fan powered rocket for 5,000, auto power so no battery or fuel needed just three motors driving eachother and special fan blades, capable of 100mph, I got about three miles up and nearly reached the moon, it’s in earth atmosphere, but within 1000mtres of the moon, (just a guess with distance because was with telescope views) , the transmission was cut and rocked was destroyed, the moon is about 100 miles wide only, some picks and video was transmitted before transmission was cut, got the images and video to prove it but I was warned by a telephone call that if I use them in anyway I will not be around any longer, I had three cars watching my house for a week but noone came to my Door,
Premise 1: Jews controls the media.
Premise 2: Those who come out and say that the moon missions were faked are quickly set upon in a calculated media attack.
Conclusion: Jewry is significantly involved in the moon hoax.
Moon madness:
https://citizenfitz09.blogspot.com/2012/06/moon-madness.html
I have read the article, and I have been following the comments with much interest. If asked, I would say that man landed on the moon, or at least I would sincerely hope man did. So, my question is: if the moon landings and the mars rover are fake, with the sheer number of people involved in the space programme, surely, someone would have spilled the beans by now…? In the same vein, if martian aliens really did crash land at Roswell, surely, someone would have let the cat outta the bag…? People can’t keep secrets; look at the gossip that occurs in everyday life. There are no secrets in the workplace or schools for example. I highly doubt the “men in black” (if they exist) could get everyone who tries to tell their story to the press, etc.
Fascinating topic. I really have no say one way or the other, and I tend to sit on the fence and enjoy everyones opinions. 🙂
Conspiracies, generally, are very compartmentalized. Most all the people involved in them have no idea what the big picture actually is.
Example 1
D Day involved millions of men and years of planning, but nobody ever spilled the beans.
Example 2
Everyone working for a major corporation, with the exception of c level executives, doesn’t know how the stock of that company will perform next quarter.
Hasn’t someone spilled the beans by now? Like JFK/RFK/911, there are plenty of whistleblowers but they’re all discredited and mocked.
When credited NASA Astronaut Don Pettit claimed that we could not go to the Moon again because we would have to reinvent all of the technology because we destroyed it after Apollo ended, I thought he had to have misspoken because there are Saturn V rockets on display and the smaller tech is in the Smithsonian! However, doing some searching on this it does appear that he was correct as the technological “guts” have been stripped out of the Apollo relics on display.
This article also offers some insight into an additional layer of keeping a lid on the supposed secret slipping out: most of the people at NASA are themselves being tricked, and only a small cadre of employees know the truth.
As a fun aside, the OJ Simpson movie Capricorn One sent the message that astronauts who would expose the NASA hoax wind up buying the farm.
People have spilled the beans
He has, and his name is Stanley Kubrick.
Not taking a position on if we did or did not land on the moon; that’s irrelevant. But there are actually very few people involved in the “grand scheme” of anything. Those working the ground crew getting fed realistic simulated feeds would have no direct contact with the guys building the rockets, for example. There may be less than 10 people in the entire program that would have access to the big picture. Everyone else is just doing their jobs.
Who is to say any of those simply dismissed and deboonked by the jewish media didn’t come forward with the truth? You can toot your whistle all day long but if no one can hear it over the shrill nose-horn of the juden that controls the airwaves, did you really come forward with anything? The idea that “no one has come forward with this secret!” is in itself more judaism. People come forward with proof that we are lied to daily by our government and the jewish media… only to be silenced, slandered, and censored. By jews.
The jewish media doesn’t need to “get everyone.” They simply need to convince the livestock that anyone that questions the jewish narrative is a racist anti-Semite bigot yahtzee and shouldn’t be listened to because this other group of jews on the jew payroll “fact checked” their own lies and said they were true.
Just look at how many secrets have been kept classified for decades or more years before the FBI quietly releases the document showing Israel was involved in yet another attack against the US, the assassination of a president, or crashing a plane into some jewish-owned jewish-insured real estate to start another jewish war.
Everyone knew that billionaire jew Epstein was having sex with children.
Everyone.
The CEO of Reddit just causally mentioned they all knew.
Every politician knew.
The FBI knew.
And they protected him as not to damage Hillary Clinton’s reputation.
The truth comes out constantly. The jew lies about the truth constantly.
My fence sitting may be irrelevant to you, but not to me: sometimes it’s best to have no real opinion in order to make an more accurate judgement when items of interest and facts come along, I always say.
Aside from that, I agree with you mostly… however, if people did come forward and told the truth, are you sure that you would judge correctly? You say it’s more “judaism”, so are you certain that you would believe the truth tellers, or would say that they are not telling the truth and accuse them of being under the pay of jews?
The problem with looking for a crab under every rock is that some rocks aren’t homes for crabs.
If your abiities of discernment are not all that well-honed, might I suggest you look to those “jews”, themselves, to identify what indeed IS the truth. They will readily identify it FOR you, as they flee from it like cockroaches from light. They absolutely ABHOR it, in any form and in any measure.
NASA works by compartmentalizing people and projects. Only a hand full of top people have to know the whole picture of what they are really doing. This is how the military operates. Just like the Manhattan Project for the Atomic Bomb. Do a little research and you will find how easy it was for so many people to be unaware of what the outcome of their work duties were to become.
You Goyim conspiracy theorists never cease to amaze. Next you’ll be saying that some of the Apollo mission money made its way to Israel! Why? To what end?
Myth Busters did a segment proving how the Moon troofers are not just wrong – they’re dangerously wrong! And YouTube has taken down most of the videos claiming to point out all the inconsistencies, improbabilities and impossibilities of the lunar missions. Why would they do that were not the facts so undeniable?
And so what if when you type in “Moon landing hoax”, a slew of articles *debunking* the conspiracy theories populates Google and the other search engines? I suppose they’re all in on the fix too?
Let me tell you, even if no one mentions the word “Jew” with regards to the Moon landing hoax, they are still by definition an anti-Semite. Why? Because even if they don’t say it they’re *thinking* it.
So stop thinking, foolish goyim, and believe whatever it is you’re told. In the end it will be better for everyone.
Israel and NASA have a formal agreement that basically allows Israel to have access to all NASA’s technology and black budget:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-signs-agreement-with-israel-space-agency-to-expand-partnership-in-space-exploration
Oy vey! That’s a conspiracy theory! Anti-Semite! Remember the Holocaust!
The Semites are a language group, not a race or a religion. So quit your whining already. Many Semites have never been Israeli or Jews. Semite in no way equals Jew.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2003/07/11/semitic-is-a-language-group-not-a-race-or-ethnic-group/
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite
‘Many Semites have never been Israeli or Jews.
Semite in no way equals Jew.’
You “Anti-semite”! (LOL)
Agreed.
If you saw it on mythbusters, then case closed.
Anyone questioning silly things like:
Neil not recalling whether he could see stars or not
the relative size of the earth from the moon
the lack of delay in communication
the convenient destruction of all the tapes and telemetrics
the subsequent destruction of all the footage
the collaboration with stanley kubrick prior to launch
the claim we bounced lasers off a panel, when russians were bouncing lasers off the moon for almost a decade
the fill lighting used in the shots
the waving flag
the lack of a burn crater from landing
the perfect audio quality with armstrong while sitting on rocket engine
astronauts won’t swear on the bible they went
the van allen radiation belts that we went through no problem but are impenetrable today
the fantastic sparkler burst and camera pan of the LEM takeof
….to question this is absurd and looking way too close at the details that are wholly irrelevant to this perfectly legitimate moon getaway. It had NOTHING to do with ending the cold war or beating the soviets in the space race.
Your government wouldn’t lie to you!!!
It TOTALLY wasn’t filmed in cinder lakes Arizona, where the 2 mile moon replica and crater field were recreated and still there to this day.
and this is just off the top of my head….
all these insignificant details are easily debunked by the same people that told you it was real… and you dont believe them, just ask them again.
Nasa is totally worth 15 million a day- or whatever it is now- with all the good it brings us, and SUUUUUURRRREEEE we are on Mars, cant get phone signal on the top of a clear mountain, but we can send 8k pictures 40+ million miles no problem.
Lol.
Thanks for setting everyone straight rabbi, if it’s on mythbusters how could it be anything but true?
Keep talking, Rabbi. You make Jews sound as stupid as they look.
Kalin, “Rabbi Glickman” is being satirical, making fun of Jews and how they think. He’s not a Jew, but making fun of Jews. Sometimes sarcasm is hard to pick up in these comments.
Hey rabbi
Can you ‘splain why this jew who wrote the book The Bible Code mentions the Moon Landing, the holocau$t/Hitler and the OK City bombing among other magical activities but doesn’t mention 911? Huh? Listen for yourself on a major TV show called UNSOLVED MYSTERIES!!!!
https://youtu.be/-k0YDSCV70c. Starting @ 2:15.
Do you reckon it’s a HOAX and Robert has been paid off LOL. Thank you in advance!
What is the point of NASA errors/disasters since it is all fake?
For example, in the 90s NASA claimed that their Mars Climate Orbiter was destroyed when it crashed into Mars due to a botched conversion between Metric and proper measurements.
What goal did that stunt serve?
Too bad there is no one up there filming it so we know it is real
NASA has always been a front organization from which huge amounts of taxpayers’ money has been siphoned off into secret black budget operations for the C.I.A., Department of Defense, and NSA. The “drama” of different NASA ‘space” programs is for the unwashed masses to think they are getting their money’s worth….
1. To cover something up?
2. A plausible excuse for requesting more money?
3. To undercut someone/something?
The Mars Orbiter had evidence on Hillary Clinton, obviously.
Money, money, money,
It’s so sunny,
In a rich man’s world…
Straight into the elite’s pockets, of course…
The obvious reason for said rover’s in-house modification would be Censorship and to bypass the freedom of information acts enforced cataloging, accounting for & display of All retrieved data. So then again, why would the agency have fear of anything unintended or ‘disturbing’ appearing in camera images of a terrestrial & completely Controlled environment set engineered by themselves?
Inquiring minds want to know: where are the huge, crusty blast craters beneath the LM’s in the Moon landing photographs? The LM’s weighed around as much on the moon as a Bell Jet Ranger helicopter does on Earth. Yet the lunar regolith beneath the LM’s is completely undisturbed! If you’ve ever stood beneath a hovering helicopter you know how violent the downdraft force can be. And that’s with a disk area of close to 900 sq ft.
Liquid propellant rocket exhaust blasts from the nozzle at about 6000 degrees F. Hot enough to turn sand into glass several times over. And yet….
What the Apollo mission lunar photographs DO prove is that a lot of fakery was afoot.
A whole lot.
Here’s a real head scratcher….watch the lunar module from Apollo 17 blast off from “the moon”. Notice how the camera that is filming it tilts up perfectly to keep it in frame, and it also zooms out, a very complicated maneuver for any camera.
This camera would have been remotely controlled on Earth by someone at NASA, but here’s the real problem….because of the large distance from Earth to the moon, there would be a 1.25 second time delay between when NASA sends a transmission to control the camera and when the camera moves….So there is no way the technician on Earth could possibly keep that module perfectly in frame as it takes off…..Impossible. Fake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj6a0Wrrh1g
There are semi-plausible arguments to defend against that claim. But there are no plausible arguments against the dearth of blast craters beneath the LM’s. QED.
Could the camera have had its movements programmed in advance to track the predicted trajectory of the module?
I agree that a 1.25 second lag would make controlling this in real-time from Earth impossible. Unless NASA had this article’s “FTL” technology back in 1972 (sarc), but that seems unlikely since NASA astronaut Don Pettit told the world that we destroyed all the Apollo technology.
BTW, why doesn’t the voice of the astronauts change when they’re talking while accelerating? They seem completely unphased by suddenly blasting off and having the G forces press upon them. Even though they would be lesser on the moon, shouldn’t they still have some effect?
RB wrote, “Could the camera have had its movements programmed in advance to track the predicted trajectory of the module?”
Think about how complicated that would be for early ’70s technology. Prior to programming the camera to move correctly, the astronauts would have to place the camera at an exact location away from the lunar module, at an exact height and exact angle pre-arranged. How would the astronauts have been able to measure that exact distance it needed to be? Did they have a really long tape measure with them? And think of how rough the ground was….trying to get the camera level would be impossible to accomplish in those spacesuits and gloves. Even if it were controlled on Earth, the leveling process would be a nightmare, and that camera was perfectly level. Remote controlled leveling would be so sophisticated of a camera for that era….hard to imagine….
I also want to know what kind of batteries NASA had to power that video camera…to withstand the extreme high and low temperatures of the moon. We still don’t have batteries on Earth that can do that…..
Here’s an explanation from NASA how they set up the camera….it doesn’t really explain how the astronauts got the camera on the exact correct location, just that they were told to. How would they locate that “exact” spot where the camera had to be? In order to program the camera movement, the exact distance, now to the centimeter must have been set. How?
The video simply tells us, a NASA technician “sent the command to initiate the camera’s tracking sequence a moment before launch. It worked.”
Why would the tracking sequence be sent “right before launch” and not long before launch, if this were planned well in advance? What the point of the urgency of getting the coordinates in at the last second? Fake drama.
The exact second of the launch might be pinpointed but how the lunar module responds to the thrust and how it accelerates would not be completely predictable, as the astronauts were manually controlling it, and there would be no way to pre-program this margin for human control of the module and its ascent. If it’s off by even .2 seconds, the module would not be in frame to track. And with the delay from earth, it wouldn’t be possible to keep it in frame, even if pre-programmed.
All that aside, the 10,000 lbs of thrust would have created a “white out” of dust storms that would have completely obliterated the module from view of the camera. Miraculously, moon dust was never an issue during take off and landing…..
>All that aside, the 10,000 lbs of thrust would have created a “white out” of dust storms that would have completely obliterated the module from view of the camera.
In microgravity with no atmosphere you’re not going to get the same kind of billowing wind storm. There was dust kicked up during the launch.
The temperature they gave was only 260 degrees in the sun. Rubbish we didn’t have technology to make a battery that can withstand a warm toaster.
Who said anything about a “billowing dust storm”? With very little gravity, the dust kicked up would take a lot longer to settle. That’s why the video of the “astro-nots” on the moon had to be slowed down to disguise that problem. And the absence of air would not affect the thrusters ability to create a “white out”, rather just the duration of the suspension. NASA’s magic thrusters have always plagued them….no craters under the modules, no dust, and lame explanations as to why there are no thruster craters….what a joke.
The reasonable assumption at the outset was that any Mars footage was either CGI’d or here on earth. This should surprise no regular readers here.
As to the moon landings, so easy and inexpensive it would be, seemingly, to send an unmanned rover to the moon to take pics of the lander, Rover, flag, debris, etc.
Naturally the earth desert where they filmed it has changed, an impossibility for the moon, so naturally it can’t be done.
Then there’s a million other things, like the interview with the astronauts where when asked about the stars seemed to be taken by surprise, as if as astronauts it had never occurred to them until the interviews.
Honestly, …
The Japanese sent a probe to orbit the moon in the ’00s. While it can tell us with absolute certainty that there are old lava tubes on the moon, it somehow cannot take proper pictures of the Apollo sites.
In proper Japanese fashion, they kamikaze’d their probe into the lunar surface. Frankly I expected to see that they had crashed it atop of an Apollo site.
So the only evidence we have of a moon landing are those laser reflectors we are told were placed there. Even if “Joe Public” could test that, how would we know it is reflecting off of a man-made object on the moon?
And, of course, even if the reflector were really manmade, that wouldn’t prove a successful manned operation to the moon.
The moon is white it could just be reflecting off the moon itself ?
Yes it really could be that stupid
The Moon is made of cheese.
‘It is known.’
I’m not sold on this story. Where is the evidence for us to examine? I mean it’s basically just another yeti sighting without that…
No evidence? It sounds like you didn’t take the time to read the linked 14,000 word essay written by the NASA software engineer explaining all the evidence. Why don’t you read it before making such an unpersuasive blanket dismissal?
https://astroengineer.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/a-curiosity-of-spirit-full-document/
Like I said Perry, all we have is talk. We have no hard data. Just statements. What if he wrote a 14,000 word essay on dragons living inside an abandoned warehouse. But we aren’t allowed access to that warehouse, just his ravings. The problem is we aren’t given access to the evidence he’s claimed to have seen. I mean this is like a Bigfoot hunter describing their encounters with Bigfoot.
My father worked on multiple missions to the moon from the Surveyor project through Apollo. I even have vinyl records of all the telemetry.
The Earth is flat.
There was no moon landing.
The rover is on Earth.
exactly, There is no curvature to water, Earth is 75% water. It is impossible for Earth to be a spinning Globe with a magic magnet. Heliocentrism is SUN worship
Nonsense. I personally don’t believe in the moon landings for a variety of reasons, however the Earth is not flat.
You make yourself look very stupid by suggesting that, or you intend to make this site look stupid.
Phil,
That is a typical tactic of globe believers to silence flat earth believers.
Another cop out tactic is to claim that flat earth believers cause division.
However, the truth should cause division. None of us nor any of our platforms are all that important that compromise should ever be a solution for “peace.”
I’ve seen people try to silence one another in many different areas of discussion… and I’ve seen it from both sides in this particular area. Probably more of an indication of the individual’s character, rather than the position they’re coming from.
Although on this matter, in the context of Christianity, I’m struggling to understand why anyone would want division over it in the first place.
Clock,
I welcome division if it is the division of truth from falsehood.
Give this some thought Clock:
Even among ancient pagan socieities the concept of a spiritual reality was found. Earthquakes were thought to be punishment from God or “a god” etc. Same with famines, plagues or any kind of disaster that befell men.
The Greeks even feared geo-engineering would anger zeus.
Nowadays the mass majority of people laugh at any concept regarding spiritual reality. Most think we are nuts or superstitious for doing so.
Why? What is so different today than yesteryear?
Space. That is what is different.
The people of today have all the inherent mysteries answered for them with “science” theory. It has been taught to them as fact through academic and cultural mediums. Our world is utterly saturated in it.
And it is all one giant idol. The greatest idol of our times. The greatest producer of atheism in the world.
It is vast, complex and pervasive upon every facet of what we used to call natural science.
The big bang, evolution, outer space, transhumanism, gravity, quantum mechanics, kinematics, theories of “energy”, etc are all intertwined and inter-dependent of each other.
This is a huge idol. The “flat vs globe” debate is key, because if natural science – the scientific method – disproves the globe, then the rest must fall as well. Good bye “space” hello Heaven. Goodbye evolution, hello creation. Goodbye atheism, hello God.
If people weren’t duped by this kabbalistic, renaissance era idolatry, they would not so simply ascribe to atheism.
Even the pagan heathens of ancient times believed in the supernatural (not that believing in moloch would be better, per say).
It goes without saying that the enemy knew he couldn’t simply build statues to false gods and dupe Adamkind like in times past. Not since those ancient idols were done away with in Christian Europe.
So the only way to dupe us away from God was through philosophy and science, which re-entered Europe in several renaissances, culminating in the last renaissance which was headed by academics who openly espoused pagan and occult concepts, and chief among their pursuits was to being ancient pagan metaphysics into a physical, scientific study.
They knew that the sophists of Greece often ruminated about a globe earth, and that such ideas never entered Christian society. Christians believe God at Isaiah 38:8, and Christians ought to today.
We should accept His accounts of creation, not those ofnkabbalists and modern masons.
Realizing that the entire vision of space and globe is a lie will only cause people to question their atheism.
No idol on earth has convinced more people of atheism than the modern “theory of everything” that centers around fake gravity physics and expanding universes.
So yeah, I welcome division over this.
Right Kevin, atheism along with big bang theory and evolutionary theory are little more than naturalistic pagan religion masquerading as “natural sciences”… All so they could institute their religion in schools while pretending it’s not a religion. Atheism is wrong, demoralizing and satanic. It’s an idol in the worst possible way.
On the other hand, proving the earth is flat does little for Christianity, because there are many pagans, theists and agnostics who hold to the flat earth position. I’m not equating flat earth with pagans and saying flat earth is bad because pagans believe flat earth. All I’m saying is that proving flat earth does not prove Christian creationism.
If we really scrutinize flat earth, it doesn’t even prove any form of creationism. Flat earth adherents have merely assumed that a disc (or whatever shape) is “artificial” enough that it must have been created. Big bang theory makes so little sense, I wouldn’t be surprised if atheists came up with something similar using the flat earth model… Just like non-Christians have latched onto it. Therefore, just like I will not call flat earth evil because pagans believe it, one also cannot say that globe earth is evil because atheists (another form of paganism) believe it. The leap from flat earth to creationism is not a naturally scientific way to prove creationism. It cannot be verified.
The point is that we don’t need “natural science” to “prove” creation. We have the Bible to do that: “By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God” (Hebrews 11:3). If someone can believe in globe earth and simultaneously believe that Christian creationism is correct, then flat earth was completely useless. Flat earth in no way adds to my spiritual existence, and it doesn’t fundamentally make anyone more righteous… Especially considering that accepting flat earth doesn’t necessarily mean accepting Christian creationism. To be honest, it has failed to make even flat earth Christian creationists more righteous.
In the end, “flat earth vs globe earth” is a false dichotomy. There’s a third option… Maybe the real deception was to place value in “natural science” in the first place. Who cares about natural science? Who even cares about technological advancement? Trying to prove or disprove flat earth sends one down a rabbit hole which at best is tangential to the Bible. I mean, sometimes flat earthers have some Bible verses they quote and that’s about it. I can prove creationism out of the Bible without believing flat earth. It just takes faith, not “proof”.
We don’t need “proof”, and the Bible doesn’t say that we need “proof”. The Bible says we believe it by faith. The real problem is we’ve been duped into feeling ashamed over our faith, as if we are fools if we believe it by faith. No, I reject that. Not believing it by faith is foolish… “the wisdom of this world is folly with God” and “without faith it is impossible to please Him”. One day we will have all the proof we need when we stand with the King of kings. What do atheists get if they’re proven right? The grave, just like everyone else. Not only is it pagan, but it’s a macabre death cult.
At the end of the day, I’d rather have people sinking their time into the Bible and living for Christ and righteousness… than trying to “prove” anything naturally. The shape of the earth doesn’t matter in the slightest… We’ve just been duped into believing it does. We have much bigger fish to fry… So let’s unite and divide based on what actually matters: The truth which brings righteousness… The truth which lasts forever.
Clock,
I think perhaps you misunderstand what i mean about “natural science.”
Certainly we don’t need science to prove God. Science cannot prove the existence of His spirit or flesh out its substance.
However, natural science, i.e. the true scientific method, exists naturally within our minds. It is the true expression of “prove all things.”
I noticed you equated it to technology, but understand brother that natural science has nothing to do with man made things. Quite the contrary. It is like i said above the natural expression of prove all things.
We all observe things, and there are very natural processes of discernment that exist within us that help us divide theory from fact. In short, that is the scientific method. I wont go deeper into the method here but anyone can refresh their minds on it with some side study.
I do disagree about the globe. You cannot persist in believing in it without accepting gravity, which defies both our sense of observation and the testing of it. And gravity itself is an idol that lures man away from what is natural to see and accept.
An idol is an idol. Just because you and I and many others here did not need the earth to be flat to find God does not mean that millions of people aren’t stuck under the space idol. That is the false equivalency.
Truth is truth. We cannot call “globe vs flat” a false dichotomy if one happens to be true. That is man copping out or, like I said earlier (and what i see often within Christian circles) man compromising for false peace.
I think back to Deuteronomy 5:8-10 and it makes perfect sense why He would not want the likenesses of things in heaven or even below the earth reproduced.
It is a powerful idol man creates out of God’s own creation. The most blinding idols utilize beauty of creation in a distracting way to “sell” false ideas.
In the same way, a flat earth can be used by the enemy. There is a cult i have seen on youtube that sheds their own blood over sigils because they believe it will lead them to hollow earth.
But those folk have yet other idols distracting them.
The point is for us as men to be honest with ourselves and each other. No man with integrity can level gravity against the scientific method and come away still believing in gravity.
At some point man has to accept what is before him. He must do it for the principle of it, because it is how God made him to think and to perceive.
Man does not perceive that water bends without a force acting on it. Man does not perceive that gases won’t instantly escape to a vacuum. Nor do our God given senses tell us that the earth spins 1,000 mph.
At best, our senses tell us that the world will despise us if we accept our senses. So IMO we have one strong sense for the globe but it isn’t God given.
Kevin, I guess I still don’t understand why the shape of the earth matters in the first place. How is my understanding of the shape of the earth going to make me a better follower of Christ? If I believe the earth is a globe, and I believe in Christian creationism, how does my belief in a globe earth negatively affect me?
As I mentioned, the fact that atheists put globe earth in their pagan theories doesn’t impact my belief in a globe earth. To liken me with their idolatry because we both believe in a globe earth would also be false equivalency. It would be like me equating you with those blood ritualists you mentioned.
If I were to begin applying “prove all things” to the shape of the earth, it would be a complete waste of my time. It’s not even going to affect my material existence in any way whatsoever. I have far more important things to do… At a bare minimum, time spent reading the Bible or praying would be more productive than researching the matter.
Clock,
That is strange logic IMO, to say “what does it matter,” or “how does it effect my material existence.”
So you are saying that if – for the sake of argument – everything I am saying about the giant “theory of everything” idol is true, it doesn’t really matter, just study the bible.
I am certain that the bible bears plenty of witnesses to the effect that we should not be deceived by men or serve idols. According to your logic then, if a particular idol exists but you dont perceive how it may be negatively effecting you, then it doesn’t matter.
However, I say a man could not possibly know how an idol negatively effects him if he has yet to uncover it as an idol.
Certainly deuteronomy 5:8-10 warns us of generational curses upon our descendents. Not that you or anyone here are in danger of that, but rather i point that out to show that Gods punishments are the reasons we should steer from idols, not the material effects they may have for us in the present moment.
I doubt anyone reveling at universities or living in their posh seaside apartments with their godless lifestyles notice any detriment to their material existence. Surely they must thing all is hunky dory.
I say the principle of the matter is to ask oneself “if satan and his followers set up a vast ‘theory of everything’ idol to quash out questing minds from thinking about God, and the scientific method actually disqualifies satans theories on it, should Christian men care?”
I think we should. I think the shape of the earth is meaningless until such a time as the devil uses it to prop up a godless paradigm. Then it matters.
Reason being is that the observation step of the scientific method applies to the debate, as well as the testing step, so it is something man is able to prove disprove.
We cant do that with heavenly bodies, or quantum “realities,” but surely with fluid mechanichs and the natural laws of thermodynamics we can. So being apprehendable to our understanding, it would be silly to not want to know the truth IMO.
Kevin, you can’t merely assume it’s an idol for me. You have to prove that it’s an idol first, else the logic is circular.
How is believing in a flat earth going to make me more righteous if I already believe in Christian creationism?
Put another way, how does believing in a globe earth cause me to place something in my heart above God?
Clock,
An idol is an idol. If God placed heaven above earth, and multiple witnesses in scripture attest to that, then outer space theology is an idol.
As I said before, i am not saying that knowing “the shape” of the earth is that important, but rather dispelling the “theory of everything” idol certainly is.
Do I think that you, Clock, are unable to believe in God without the flat earth? Of course not – I never said that. I think I gave plenty of prompts as to the importance of the matter in my prior posts.
Though I do believe that God wants us to prove all things and dispel all idols.
Gravity earth is an idol. It has seduced millions into accepting science theory as fact which is delusion.
Kevin, “An idol is an idol” is the epitome of circular logic… You have to prove it’s an idol. The idol isn’t “globe earth”… It’s paganism. Like I said, paganism exists in the flat earth and the globe earth camps. To say Satan uses globe earth to push the agenda doesn’t prove that globe earth is wrong. We’ve seen “racial truth” even used to push satanic agenda AKA white nationalism. Does that mean “racial truth” is wrong? Of course not. Even Christianity itself has been wielded to devastating effect against Adamkind… Does that mean Christianity is wrong? No, only the version which Satan pushes… Great lies are seasoned with truth. Sometimes truth hurts just as much as a lie when it isn’t placed in the proper context.
Dispelling the “theory of everything” idol can be done outside of the “flat earth vs globe earth” debate. Let’s take the idea that Satan uses globe earth to push a pagan agenda (false equivalence) and throw it aside once and for all. It’s just not logically sound or persuasive. Therefore, I’m afraid I must insist that you have to prove it’s an idol (at least in the scope of you persuading me that globe earth is an idol). I feel like your burden of proof to “prove all things” in the physical world is a red herring.
The position of “heaven” in relation to “earth” is a whole other discussion where the shape is completely irrelevant. There are verses like Exodus 24:10, Ezekiel 1:22, Ezekiel 10:1, 2 Peter 3:5-7, Revelation 4:6, Revelation 15:2 and Revelation 21:1 which make the “firmament” concept highly platonic in nature. Sadly when engaging in hyper-focus on the shape of the earth, one misses out on what these shadows are trying to tell us about the nature of heaven and earth.
Simply standing under the sky and looking up, whether night or day, gives us incredible clues as to what these passages are saying… Without caring about whether I’m standing on a disc or a globe, or whether what I’m seeing is a sky/expanse or a literal firmament dome. My subjective experience is enough to understand the concepts the Bible is talking about. When you look up at the sky during the day, you see a blue expanse. When you look up at the sky during the night, the curtain is pulled back to reveal a heavenly host. Your perception of their physical nature doesn’t change what your eyes tell you.
Verses like Exodus 24:10, Revelation 4 and Revelation 15:2 throw into question the idea that heaven (the authority and dwelling of God) is literally above us. In fact, they indicate quite the contrary… That heaven is not a “place” at all. God’s dwelling is among His people, not in a literal “heaven” after all, no? But in our subjective, physical experience, it’s useful in a platonic sense to perceive heaven as above us.
After all, Paul (Mr Plato himself) said, “For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.” I am not trying to understand the physical world. I am trying to understand his invisible attributes, eternal power and divine nature. In contrast, the specific nature of the physical world (beyond what my eyes tell me) is just boring, because it doesn’t give me any extra insight into the nature of God’s ways.
At the end of the day Kevin, I don’t see why how each of us see the physical world should get between us working toward the Kingdom together. If someone believes in the paganism of atheism, each of us can use the same argument to dispel it, which is, “Read and believe your Bible. God created everything.” You’re welcome to believe the earth is flat, but to divide over that seems like such a waste to me. If (hypothetically speaking), you pushed division over flat earth vs globe earth without being able to explain how it brings righteousness, then I would apply Romans 16:17. In other words, short of proving how it brings righteousness, if it were to bring division, I would contend that the debate itself is an idol.
The vast majority of Christians whom I’ve ever met believe the Earth is a globe, and that includes Christians who reject evolution. I don’t say that to “prove” the shape of the earth by consensus but rather that they do not base their faith on the shape of the globe.
I don’t think the “global” theory of the Earth shook many Christian’s faith as much as scientism did starting in the late 19th century, beginning with Darwin. Many Christians now give “science” greater authority than the Bible as far as “objective” truth goes, without realizing just how little of what passes as “science” is actually real science. It is this fake scientism that has shaken their faith much more than Galileo ever did.
I would say between flat earth and evolution….that evolution is a much greater yardstick to gauge a Christian’s faith. There are many Christians who believe in or accept evolution, perhaps the majority now do in some form like creation through evolution and such, and they are far more likely to be ashamed of Christianity, and far more likely to take ecumenical positions and compromise their beliefs. Those who believe in evolution are far more likely to allow homosexuals into congregations, and are more tolerant of other religions as equally valid. If it’s about challenging or undermining faith, evolution and scientism are far worse than a “global” earth. This has been my experience with Christians I’ve encountered, and not a “scientific” study…..
Clock,
The entire science theory paradigm – which is idolatry – revolves around fake physics including gravity. You can’t unravel some of it and keep your precious globe.
There should not be any confusion as to why millions of folk are atheists. It is the very science theory paradigm we are talking about. That is the paganism at work.
Millions are not worshiping moloch or astarte, they are serving priests in lab coats and talking heads at universities. So saying “it’s paganism” is a cop out since it is the very SAME thing I am talking about.
And you are misrepresenting my whole entire argument. There are plenty of verses placing heaven above us. Noticing that does not mean we dont notice the spiritual, hidden aspects of reality.
Noticing that jumping off a cliff without a parachute will kill you does not detract from spiritual awareness. So noticing FACTS of observable reality (to dispel idols) doesn’t either.
And how odd that debating the moon landing be considered good food for fodder but pointing out the lie of fake space and fake science is avoided like the plague, misrepresented.
I have repeatedly explained my position, and we havent even begun listing the overwhelming amount of evidence in support of it. It isn’t merely “the shape of the earth” that is important. That is a misrepresentation of everything I said.
What matters is if a man has the guts to accept what is true instead of fearing ostracization.
They can no longer call us stupid because the facts are found with observable, testable reality, and not with cgi earth and fake, ancient pagan metaphysical science.
That is the paganism of modern times, and since we can only test what is first observed, the “flat vs globe” debate is key, because like i said, we can not observe and test heaven, or quantum realities, or any of the numerous claims the enemy makes to confuse mankind about reality, to cause man to give support to scientists instead of wonder at the beauty and mystery of creation. It all starts with what man believes about reality. If he belueves in a geocentric stationary earth, he is far less likely to be atheist. You would have to be blind not to.see that.
This does not mean i ignore spiritual reality. That is a cop out and presumption.
Read Isaiah 38:8 and Genesis 1, or Davids words about heaven and Gods handiwork.
Just because physical reality reflects a greater realirlty doesnt mean we should accept gross misrepresentations of physical reality. All the more reason NOT to, as the heavens do declare God’s handiwork and that does offer a clue to men.
“……What matters is if a man has the guts to accept what is true instead of fearing ostracization……..”
Profound. 🙂
I think a more honorable approach would be to admit that drones hovering in the air do not pick up the earth moving beneath them, or to admit that yeah, the 2nd law of thermodynamics (an irrefutable, tested fact) does not allow for the earth model we are given.
If we are going to admit something fishy about supposed moon landings, why not admit FACTS that dispel the fake science about earth?
Makes no sense to hide behind “what difference does it make? How does the shaoe make one righteous?” What a bunch of nonsense.
Prove all things. Disregard what is false. Don’t make excuses.
Strengthen the spirit and dont worry about men and what they think. Point out the lies of the world to each and never hide because the group might revile you. Wear revilement like a garment from God.
I have never seen a topic so mired in social distaste as this topic, even with obvious facts dispelling the accepted view.
Kevin, I’m just not interested in “science” or whatever we’re going to brand the study of physical phenomena. Neither am I interested in contrived notions of honor.
If you want to prove anything to me, it’ll have to be in the Bible itself. You’re welcome to try prove flat earth to me out of the Bible, but please don’t think I’m entirely ignorant of what you’re going to quote, or that I’ve never heard the arguments before. But go ahead, by all means… Just know ahead of time, I’m not going to try to prove globe earth to you out of the Bible.
I’m afraid I need an answer why believing in a globe earth would make me less righteous if I believe in Christian creationism. If you want to call it an idol, you have to prove it’s an idol… And you’ll have to do so out of the Bible.
Disclaimer: I don’t mind if someone believes flat earth. I just don’t see the point in there being division between globe earth believers and flat earth believers…
I don’t think people reject the flat earth paradigm because they fear being ostracized, perhaps in some Christians circles that may be true, but largely not. In fact, I think your average Christian would be far more fearful of rejecting the Holocaust than they would be rejecting flat earth for fear of being ostracized. And I would go one step further and say that the Holocaust paradigm has done more to undermine Christians and Christianity than the “globe” paradigm ever has.
Clock,
Again with the “i dont care” attitude.
The Bible says nothing about moon landings, who did 911, whether there are GMO’s in our food.
But it gives a general enough outline that we seek for and prove what is true. That is enough for me.
It is irrelevant to me if you would or would not try and prove the globe to me, because the debate is not equal. One side is true and the other side is false.
I would prefer it if you tried though, because you actually might learn something…..or unlearn something.
I think the refusal to tackle the topic honestly with sound logic and REAL science is why this topic persists on potentially dividing brethren.
It was divisive the minute the FE society was created to make the pagan metaphysical construct globe reality look better by contrast.
And it has resurfaced in the last decade to reawaken a younger generation to the awesomeness of nasa, spacex, tesla and new tech in general.
The psyop is the kabbalah fake space physics spinning pear shaped sci-fi reality ball, not the debate regarding it.
I suppose I will leave off the topic now. This is going nowhere.
Kevin said, “But it [the Bible] gives a general enough outline that we seek for and prove what is true.”
For sure. Happy to discuss it from the Bible whenever you’d like, especially if it has to do with potentially dividing Christians from one another.
Clock,
Perhaps I spoke irresponsibly when I said “I welcome division over it.” Though in the context of the post I made where I said that, I was laying out my case that the topic is important in terms of addressing idolatry.
From my perspective, it would be like fellowshipping with a judeo who consistently said that the real identity of Adam kind didn’t matter, and thus who cares of someone accepts jews. And if they persisted in saying my view was making them look stupid (and therefore my view should be divided out), then I would have to welcome that division. I don’t wish for it, but I welcome it.
Certainly I am not hoping for it here. CFT lets the topic be discussed openly which is more than some congregations will allow.
Though it does bother me, Clock, that you would take the identifying of who the jews really are seriously but not a huge aspect of their idolatry put before Adam kind.
I do not accept that discussing the facts of real science (which is the pure scientific method of sifting theory from observable, testable reality) is meaningless. It is the same method by which we discern jew from Adamkind.
If a grand lie is told about His creation, and its effects cause many to believe a fairy-tale that includes big bang, evolution and other “quantum” realities, then it is an important topic to expose.
Kevin, understood… Thankyou for clarifying.
For me, it’s like you said… If the Bible provides an outline for it, then I’ll look into it. I want to see it in the Bible first though.
I agree, big bang theory and evolution are a fairy tale and idolatry. Maybe your biggest disadvantage in convincing me is that we agree too much…
Clock,
It’s my own fault. I am zealous on the topic. What I need to do is present the info in a blog someday in a way that ties it together, so I don’t come off as I have in here.
Trying to summarize what is IMO a vast topic is problematic.
And I must apologize for my tone. Re-reading my last post….sigh.
God bless.
Kevin, no worries… Appreciate it.
If you put water into a test tube you can see the meniscus, which is water curving.
If the Earth were flat then how is it we can circumnavigate it?
Water conforms within a receptacle. But try pouring water on a spinning basketball and see if it sticks.
And your comment about circumnavigation is begging the question, appeal to hearsay and authority.
Consider instead that the supposed globe spins at roughly 1,000 mph at the equater. An onvious conundrum arises: how come it takes the same amount of time to fly from LA to NY as it does to fly from NY to LA? Shouldn’t a drone hovering in the air above NY be in LA in 3hrs? And if a jet flew at 500mph with the earth bringing LA to the east at just under 1,000 mph, shouldn’t it arrive in LA even sooner than 3 hrs?
And yet its a 6 hr flight either way. Makes ZERO logical sense.
The earth does not spin.
If NASA truly had faster than light technology, why would they not let everyone at NASA use it?
This is in the same vein and akin to the so-called moon landing. Which, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows it never happened, not with the technology of 1968, and not even with the present technology of today. The one obstacle is the Van Allen radiation belt. Let’s put it another way. When I served in the U.S. Navy you could see the microwave heat emitting from the radar atop the mast. The microwave power emitting from them as I was told could fry a man in seconds. So, if that is the power of man made equipment; imagine the power of radiation emitting through the Van Allen belt. So, we’re supposed to believe that the astronauts transversd past that belt and survived in a tin can. More like roasted U.S. astronauts. Then there is the issue of how the so-called moon buggy made it to the moon service. Although he may or may not be a Christian; I recommend a series of articles by David McGowan titled “Wagging the Moon Doggie.
The original moon buggy had inflatable tires, which would have exploded on the moon with no atmosphere. They realized their mistake so the next moon buggy had metal wheels….Doh! Not only would the Van Allen Belt fry humans alive, it would also fry any electronic equipment….
Nonsense! You have bicycles on earth that use 60 psi air. They don’t explode! The pressure differential is 45 psi, but the material is strong enough to hold together! Did you ever hear of shielding? When you go to the dentist they use a lead apron to shield your body from unwanted X-rays. Nuclear submarines use shielding to keep the crew from getting zapped too! Shielding protects electronic circuits too.
There is allegedly no atmosphere on the moon, which means NO air pressure. Get it? With no air pressure, there’s no opposing force to stop any inflatable from infinitely expanding and exploding. This is simple physics.
Apollo had no “shielding” to get through the Van Allen belt. The outer hull of the “space” craft was less than an inch of aluminum, which has NO ability to “shield” any radiation. Van Allen predicted that they would need lead shields 6 FEET THICK to protect the astronauts from the radiation in the Van Allen Belt.
In all fairness the structural integrity of the tire would hold the gas in. You don’t need an opposing atmosphere. But ya lead would be impossible to launch into space in sufficient quantities, it’s too heavy.
How much lead was on the Apollo missions?
The nauts had to return in that aluminum craft that has NO lead (you can see it at the Smithsonian). How did they get back with no shielding?
Silly, you don’t need lead shielding to get through the radioactive Van Allen belts, that’s just propaganda.
The astronauts just OD’d on iodine while pretending to go to the Moon.
Nuclear subs don’t fly thru space 147,000 miles.
No it is not the Van Allen belt. It is the Firmament mentioned in Genesis, You know the Firmament that separates the waters from the waters. The Bible says it is water up there, not space
How does this address what the article is pointing out?
Out of curiosity, since the government lies about so much, and NASA is a premiere prevaricator, how do we know that the VA belt is real?
I thought it was odd that we were told about something that would make the moon landing impossible by the same organization claiming that it performed moon landings.
Conman Elon Musk can pollute space with a Tesla car and fantasize about Mars but yet we still, after over 50 years, have no ability to peer at the moon and see the supposed sites of Apollo?
The NASA logo is an anagram for Satan. The red forked tongue is a T
I believe you.
I’m starting to believe in a flat Earth.
Seriously.
Don’t be fooled! We had the technology! There was 74 kilobytes of memory on board the Apollo tin can ~ uh, space craft ~ to make all those complex orbital calculations. “The Block II Apollo Guidance Computer used 36,864 sixteen-bit words of core rope memory and 2,048 sixteen-bit words of magnetic core memory.”
And get this: “In some moon landing conspiracy theories, confusion between core rope and regular core memory is used to advance the claim that the Apollo mission computer memory system could never have passed through the Earth’s magnetic field undisturbed. Regular core memory would likely be susceptible to transiting magnetic fields of this magnitude, whereas core rope is not.” Bu, bu, but what about the magnetic core memory in the system you ask? Never mind; moving right along.
74 kb – that’s k-i-lo-b-y-t-e-s – 74,000 bytes of smokin’ “woven” memory. Did you know it only takes four bytes to make a single character? Why there was enough memory on Apollo to store this entire article more than twice over! (But not the web page) Think about that before you say we didn’t have the technology go to the moon.
Take a look at this technology and marvel at the advanced design – https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Igu3C3AT0Wo/maxresdefault.jpg – Apollo Guidance computer Woven Core “Rope” memory handmade by Raytheon 1969 – Feel the power!
Hey chief! Call up the memory experts down on the reservation, we need to weave a memory upgrade.
So there! That should be proof enough for even the densest Luddite of just how advanced the moon landing technology was at the time. Why even hand held calculators wouldn’t have that much memory until a few years later. Take that all you doubting science deniers and conspiracy theorists.
Now about those nineteen A-rabs with boxcutters . . .
74K, huh, to go to the Moon?
That’s a heck of a LOT less memory than most MEMES take up on a hard drive!
Welcome to the Revolution, aka the ‘Apocalypse’, where all that is hidden by the satanic elites is revealed to the enslaved masses by God…
I used to believe that the US did land on the moon in 1969, but no longer. Since I now know that our govt lies about everything & when caught lying, they lie some more.
They’ve lost the tapes from back then & even the moon rocks. Guess they’re in the same room as Hunter Biden’s laptop.
Due to Mars not hardly having any atmosphere, wouldn’t that make flying a helicopter on Mars a physical impossibility?
This is just anudda distraction that allows the House of RATschilds to loot, pillage & plunder our wealth down to nothing.
The looting now is even on a bigger scale than the 2008 ransacking, which means the parasites sucking out our lifeblood will soon depart to another host, probably China, that has over 8,000 tons of Gold, while we have none. It’s all been stolen.
Are the “moon rocks” lost? Back in the day, they were brought to space camp for my then-young relatives and some joker swiped one.
While I doubt they were moon rocks, the NASA gent who brought them sure thought they were and put on quite the show of searching until they were found.
But if they truly were moon rocks, would they have let a bunch of little boys put their grubby mitts on them? They’re effectively irreplaceable after all, since we haven’t “been” back there in 49 years and never really planned to return over that time.