There is a long-standing disagreement about the meaning of the phrase “born again” among many Christian theologians, scholars, and Bible commenters which has arisen out of its use in the Gospel of John, specifically when Christ uses it speaking to the Israelite Pharisee, Nicodemus, in John 3:3.
The most common English translation reads,
“Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.'”
—NASB 1995
However, an alternative literal translation reads,
“Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God'”
—Young’s Literal Translation
The literal translation from the Koine Greek phrase “gennaó” (Strong’s 1080, meaning “beget” or “generate from”) — and “anóthen” (Strong’s 509, meaning “from above or from heaven,” or “from the beginning,” or “anew” or “again”) depending on the context.
For those who claim that “anóthen” can mean only “from above” are refuted by the very fact that Nicodemus does not understand it that way — he clearly takes it, perhaps disingenuously, to literally mean “again” — that Christ is telling him he must literally be born from his mother’s womb again when he says,
“Nicodemus saith unto him, ‘How is a man able to be born, being old? is he able into the womb of his mother a second time to enter, and to be born?'”
—John 3:4
Because he is a Pharisee and lacks spiritual discernment, Christ is fully aware that Nicodemus was going to misunderstand His figurative language and take it literally — which opens the door for Christ to reveal its deeper, non-literal, meaning.
Whether one takes “gennaó anóthen” literally as born again from the womb or literally as “born an Israelite,” you are doomed to miss the import of Christ’s metaphorical language that points us toward a deeper spiritual meaning.
These phrases — “born again” or “born from above” are unique to the New Testament — they appear nowhere in the Old Testament — therefore, their meaning must be understood in the context of the relationship between Jesus Christ and his followers.
Clearly, Nicodemus, as a Pharisee, must have been well-versed in the Old Testament — yet he had never before heard this phrase — “gennaó anóthen” — nor did it occur to him that it meant “born from above” or that it referred to being born of Jacob-Israel or of Abraham.
If the literal meaning of “gennaó anóthen” was “born from above,” then why did the literal-minded Nicodemus take it literally to mean “born again,” as in born again from the same mother?
And if Christ wanted Nicodemus to understand “gennaó anóthen” as “born from above” — meaning “born an Israelite or of Abraham” — He would have said something literal along the lines of:
“Unless you are born of the lost sheep of the House of Israel, you will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.”
After all, that’s exactly what Christ said early in his ministry in Matthew 15:24:
“He answered and said, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.’”
But Christ didn’t say that to Nicodemus because He had already established the fact that He came only for Israelites — and there would be no point in telling the Israelite Nicodemus that he had to be an Israelite to follow Him.
Yes, there are some who claim that Nicodemus was not a real Israelite — that he was some sort of crypto-Edomite — but there’s no proof of that, and if Nicodemus were an Edomite, Christ wouldn’t have tried to convert him, nor said to him,
“Thou art the teacher of Israel — and these things thou dost not know!”
–John 3:10
Christ here demonstrates that the literal-minded Pharisees — clinging to the Law — are blinded to Christ’s spiritual teachings — and the necessity of spiritual redemption of Israel through Him. Merely being born an Israelite and attempting to adhere to the Law is not enough to bring about salvation.
And if Christ had told Nicodemus he had to be an Israelite to follow Him, there’s no doubt Nicodemus would have responded the same way the Pharisees had boasted to John the Baptist in Matthew 3:9 before John cut them off:
“And do not think to say to yourselves, ‘A father we have — Abraham,’ for I say to you, that God is able out of these stones to raise children to Abraham”
—Young’s Literal Translation
The Amplified Bible translation provides the meaning of John’s words here:
“And do not presume to say to yourselves [as a defense], ‘We have Abraham for our father [so our inheritance assures us of salvation]’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children (descendants) for Abraham.”
There are those who claim that this verse is some sort of proof that the Pharisees were not real Israelites, but that interpretation is contradicted by John’s following explanation:
“And now also, the axe unto the root of the trees is laid, every tree therefore not bearing good fruit is hewn down, and to fire is cast. ‘I indeed do baptize you with water to reformation [or repentance], but he who after me is coming is mightier than I, of whom I am not worthy to bear the sandals, he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire,”
–Matthew 3:10-11
Here John compares the Israelites to trees — and the “root” of the trees is their father Abraham — but John warns the Pharisees that if they do not bear good fruit and become “reformed” or “repentant” through baptism from Christ, they will be cast into the fire.
And if the Pharisees were not true Israelites, then why would John even bother to baptize them? The answer is simply that he wouldn’t have.
The word “reformed” here in Matthew 3:10-11 comes from the Greek “metanoia” (Strong’s 3341) which means “change in the inner man” or “repentance.”
In other words, it’s not the Israelite flesh that we are born into that needs to change, but it’s our inner spirit that needs to be “reborn” — as Nicodemus says, the flesh cannot be reborn.
This prophecy of John the Baptist that the Pharisees would be offered salvation was fulfilled by example when the Pharisee Nicodemus approached Christ who confirmed what John had said — that he must “change the inner man” — and be “born of the Holy Spirit” and confirmed either through the words of Christ or through the symbolism of baptism — or both:
“Jesus answered, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.'”
—John 3:5
Just as John the Baptist would never have promised the Pharisees that Christ would soon come and offer to baptize them if they were not Israelites in the first place — Christ wouldn’t have bothered to explain to Nicodemus the importance of becoming reborn in the Holy Spirit if he weren’t a literal-minded Israelite Pharisee clinging to the Law of the Old Testament.
The early Church father — John Chrysostom (347 – 407AD) — explained why Nicodemus failed to understand the figurative and ambiguous words of Christ,
“Nicodemus heard of the spiritual Birth, yet perceived it not as spiritual, but dragged down the words to the lowness of the flesh, and made a doctrine so great and high depend upon physical consequence. And so he invents frivolities, and ridiculous difficulties.
Wherefore Paul said, “The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit.” (1 Corinthians 2:14.) Yet even in this he preserved his reverence for Christ, for he did not mock at what had been said, but, deeming it impossible, held his peace.
There were two difficulties; a Birth of this kind, and the Kingdom; for neither had the name of the Kingdom ever been heard among the Jews, nor of a Birth like this. But he stops for a while at the first, which most astonished [632] his mind.”
—Homilies of Chrysostom, John 3:1-3
So we see with the encounter with Nicodemus that the terms translated as “born again”and “born from above” have dual meanings — it stipulates that you must be an Israelite “from the beginning,” but over and above that, you also must also be reborn or reformed by the Holy Spirit through faith in Jesus Christ.
If merely being born an Israelite — as was Nicodemus — were enough to ensure his salvation, then Christ would never had told him that he also needed to be figuratively — and literally — baptized and reborn of the Spirit through Christ, confirming the words of John the Baptist.
Some Christians object to translating “gennaó anóthen” as “born again” is because of the universalist baggage that “Born Again” Christians have mistakenly added to this teaching.
Christ taught Nicodemus that all Israelites must be “born again” into His Spirit in order to be saved, but many Christians — misled by their pastors — have ignored the first requirement and extended the ability to be “born again” in Christ to anyone and everyone regardless of whether or not they are Israelite or Adamic.
Read our essays on debunking Christian Universalism — along with Charles Weiseman’s book Is Universalism Of God? — to better understand how “Born Again” Christians follow a false doctrine steeped in Marxism.
That “Born Again” Christians have falsely universalized this exchange between Christ and Nicodemus is not the fault of Christ — or the translation — after all, He repeatedly warns His followers many will come in His name preaching false doctrines:
“For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.”
–Matthew 24:24
If we insist that “gennaó anóthen” cannot and should not ever be translated as “born again,” we make the entire exchange between Christ and Nicodemus to none effect — because it is essential that Nicodemus mistakenly understands the term to literally mean “born again” so that Christ can reveal its deeper meaning.
We can accept the translation of “gennaó anóthen” as “born again” — but if we do so, we must be careful to reject the false universalist teachings of dispensationalism that virtually all mainstream Christian denominations have heaped upon it.
Christ taught Nicodemus that all Israelites must be baptized and born again in His Spirit from above in order to be saved — and that merely being born an Israelite and circumcised is not sufficient to save them.
Later, in his epistle to the Israelite Philippians, Paul confirms this teaching of Christ to Nicodemus — that merely being born an Israelite — though required to be one of His Sheep — is insufficient for salvation and “resurrection from the dead”:
“If anyone else thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin; a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, persecuting the church; as to righteousness in the law, faultless.
But whatever was gain to me I count as loss for the sake of Christ. More than that, I count all things as loss compared to the surpassing excellence of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, a the righteousness from God on the basis of faith.
I want to know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to Him in His death, and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.”
—Philippians 3:4-11
Just a thought on the reason for being ‘born again / from above:’
What if Christianity in its purpose were based on God’s promise to Abraham that by means of his seed all nations would be blessed, where Christ’s spiritual brothers would rule in the kingdom to come over those of the nations that ‘did good’ to them, and where salvation was implied, being a necessary prerequisite for both those doing the blessing and those being blessed, rather than it being the distinction between the two, for both groups were equally born into sin and, hence, in need of redemption?
“Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink?”
Mat 25:37
HI CFT,
you wrote,
“Gareth You are correct, Matthew 28:19 clearly is problematic. The first part is probably the original text: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations”.”
I agree with you. The nations will have been whitey, “spread abroad”.
This is why the ‘tares’ have been left with the ‘wheat’ until harvest, right? They need to grow together for many reasons I think.
“Woe to you scribes and pharisees”. These are the modern equivalent of politicians and lawyers, who ‘tinker’ with the laws and advice from the Father today and make it corrupt.
Thanks for the ‘library’ btw, that’s a rich source of reading documents brother.
One can explain “again” to a child as “born a second time” and it will make sense. One is born of water (as I understand it) when leaving the womb, and born a second time of the Spirit (“from above”).
Like so many issues cleared up by this site, it appears too much theology of the “how many angels can sit on the head of a pin?” variety has led many/most astray from the simplicity of the Gospel. It doesn’t have to be this hard.
Paul wrote to the Corinthians,
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” (2 Cor 11:3)
6,666,666 angels of God were captured by the rebellious angels, the same ones who declared the law to mankind are the born from above.. If you are saved as the children of Abraham, and even Adam, it’s enough through faith In the Lord Jesus’s death and resurrection for you.
The Lord Jesus Christ is gathering that 1/3rd of the angels captured in the flesh by the enemy, and they re the ones who return to heaven where they came from.
Until The Lord Jesus paid that enormous price for us, a price the angels in rebellion never even imagined He would do for us, there was no hope of any redemption for anyone in this world of death, eternally.
The whole population, and animal world were trapped in a cycle of death. That 1/3 of heavenly angels caught here were trapped in a cycle of death, rebirth, and death again, while all the rest died and were dead period. That’s why the angels had no respect for the flesh, nor care that men suffered in misery.
What is man that any should take note of him? The dead were all as if they had not been.
Be cause of what the Lord Jesus Christ did for us, while He was with us He had to come only for the Children of Israel who were trapped here.
When He resurrected, He now is the Savior of the world. To anyone who believes of not only Abraham, but all of Adam.
—–Arnie—–
Arnie,
You said, “….He now is the Savior of the world. To anyone who believes of not only Abraham, but all of Adam….”
I am unfamiliar with who you are, so I don’t know everything you believe.
Question — Are you including the non-white races (black, yellow, red) when you say Jesus is the savior to the world? In other words — do the yellows, blacks and reds come from Adam and Eve? This is what we here at CFT would call “Universalism”.
Curious. Thanks.
Gordon ….
Hi Gordon,
Thank you for having the desire to have this conversation. I have so wanted to have this conversation with non-whites, mixed race, and or White Christian Universalists. Quick summary of my interest in this subject — it wasn’t that long ago that I was a Christian Universalist. Most of my adult life, this is what I was taught to believe. So, it is not easy being confronted with information that “questions” everything you once thought to be true. You have the same questions I do. You asked —
“…Is Salvation something that goes away forever once a man has mixed blood inside himself ?
Does it follow the one drop rule or it’s fine if I am mostly White and look like that?
That’s what I would like to know and I was hoping that CFT or other commenters could help me on it….”
For me personally, I will never tell anyone who sincerely loves God and desires to do His Will that they have no business doing so. Here is my problem — “WHAT” is that Will?
Example — most every “Christian” that I know (outside of here of course) loves the Jews. And they also love non-white people more than they do their own people if they are White. I also know that International Jewry is actively trying to Genocide the White Peoples of the World — directly by flooding our Nations with non-whites; and indirectly through race mixing. And the biggest problem for me — I don’t see non-white people resisting and or coming to the support of White people.
The Irony is that if it weren’t for the Jew’s blatant interest in destroying White Peoples, I’d probably still be a Universalist! Why just White People if we are all the same??? There is something very special and unique about the White race.
And lastly, my problem or let’s say even “interest” is I want to believe that non-white peoples can be my Spiritual brothers and sisters IF ONLY they loved me (not me personally, but White People) as they would themselves or even the god-forsaken jew. Because they love the jew; but don’t love White People and would never call White People — God’s Chosen. Right now the World believes White People are — the Devil’s Chosen.
Do you live in the United States? If NO, trust me when I say that if there was no law against killing White people in the USA, most blacks and mexicans and even arabs now living here wouldn’t hesitate. They hate us.
Gordon, you are an enigma to me. Honestly, I wish there were a million “Gordons”. 🙂 I want to believe it. I want to believe anyone who wishes to Follow Jesus Christ can and will do so. But a big part of loving Jesus is loving His People —
“…The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters OF MINE, you did for me.” Matthew 25:40. This is the parable of the Sheep and the Goats.
The “of Mine” is crucial here. I believe, and it appears you believe also, that White People are those God chose to represent Him here on earth. So, it is essential for anyone who claims to be a “Christian” to recognize the importance of White people. Ironically, they do with the “jews”. So, if they can call the jews God’s chosen; why can’t they call White people God’s Chosen?
And again, I just don’t see this with non-white people. I’m not asking to be worshipped. I’m just asking that they respect us like they would any endangered species on the planet. When I encounter non-white christians and present Christian Identity to them, they RESIST violently. Why?
I am always asking the Question — will the non-white peoples of the world come to our rescue, as the White race comes to the rescue of non-whites all the time!??? Whites go to Africa to save black peoples. Whites go to Asian countries to save yellow peoples.
There is a day coming soon, where the remaining White people who have not mixed their race will be a very vulnerable “species”. Ripe for the harvest. What will happen?
If Jesus does not intervene in a physical way — will the non-whites of the world protect us, give us protected status; give us sovereign land like the United States has protected and given sovereign land to the Red Indian? I have my doubts.
Gordon ……. continue to Love God and Follow Jesus Christ. Thank you for that. Do your best to Evangelize those you know and those you associate with. I hope we see each other in the Kingdom of life Eternal.
Sincerely, West
The reason non-Whites have trouble accepting that White Europeans are true descendants of the Israelites is that they already feel jealousy and inadequate compared to Whites. They envy us. They envy our prosperity and our ingenuity and our high art.
We have been “a light to the world”.
The fact that they want to live among us is proof of their envy.
Whites do not understand this envy. We do not want non-Whites to envy us. We have no interest in ruling over any other people. We want to be generous and merely given thanks. That’s all.
But non-Whites will never thank us because they think that we will have some sort of “advantage” over them and use it against them. Paranoia.
But the Jews have brainwashed them into hating us, casting us as genocidal maniacs and “colonizers”.
I actually wait for the day when these non-Whites just show us a little bit of gratitude for all that we’ve given the world. Not because I want to be praised, but because that kind of gratitude will go a long way to healing the fake antagonism between us and the non-Whites.
“Let it be truly said of us, the European remnant, that we are racist as the Dream of the Rood Christians of old Europe were racist, that we love our own with a passion that is grounded in the love of our Savior whose love passeth the understanding of ‘pure’ reason but enters and dwells within the heart that loves.+”
–Cambria Will Not Yield
https://cambriawillnotyield.com/2021/07/31/a-blood-faith-is-forever/
Pershing …….
Hi pershing, thanks for the commentary. Very interesting and enlightening comment.
I do have a question — and perhaps the answer is truly unknown —
You say, “… But the Jews have brainwashed them into hating us ….”
I don’t deny for one second the Propaganda Campaign that has been unleashed by the jews against White Peoples and White Peoples only.
However …… is it nurturing their own nature, Versus truly reprogramming their nature?
In other words — one must ask the question — without the “Jew”, how would the non-white peoples (black, yellow, red) perceive us; treat us, etc., etc.
The Red Indian in North America slaughtered White people before Jewish Propaganda.
When blacks innocently kill White people for $2 or a piece of junk bicycle — was that because of “brainwashing”? Or their nature?
Without the Jew, would the Yellow race come to our rescue if a wild fire consumes an entire State, or Province. Did Japan send fire-fighters and rescue workers to Australia when they had their Wild Fires not too long ago? Maybe they did, I don’t know.
If a Tsunami wiped out the entire West Coast of the USA would any non-white Nation send help???
Is it all because of Brainwashing — or Nature? It is a very interesting question: Had Cain not mixed his Seed and had not Esau mixed his Seed with non-whites, what would the world look like as it concerns Race Relations — White, yellow, red, black. Would there be Peace between us? Or would we have to “enforce” that Peace.
Anyone care to speculate???
West
I’ll attempt to answer your two questions.
First, non-Whites respect power and punishment. If White nations did not have Jews to thwart Whites from keeping non-Whites safely away from Whites, and allowed Whites to swiftly punish anyone who crosses the boundary and harms Whites in any way, I think non-Whites would respect those boundaries.
Blacks and Indians were not much of a social problem once Whites established a segregated social order. Integration destroyed Whites ability to make these people respect our laws without real fear of retribution.
As far as non-Whites acting charitably toward Whites in need, I do not think it is in their nature. Asians are not a charitable people even to their own people. Same with Black Africans. Ditto with Arabs.
Therefore it would be foolish to expect them to be charitable to Whites in need, but we don’t need them to be because we’ve always been able to care for ourselves. We have never been dependent on other races for our survival and prosperity.
Unlike Whites, Jews are charitable only when it benefits themselves. Jews will never go into Appalachia and help poor Whites, but they will help Blacks in order to manipulate them into siding with them against Whites.
Race blind charity is unique to Whites and it would be foolish to think that others have that selfless spirit. That alone is proof that we are a unique people, the apple of God’s eye, not the Jews.
Pershing….
I agree with everything you said.
Conclusion — the “Brainwashing’s” true intention was for our own People.
“Nuture” can only influence Nature — it can’t change it permanently.
Cheers.
Chinese people admire white people…..think they are physically beautiful, kind, and very competent…..
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/154/128/111/playable/bcb729da71896cf2.mp4
I think it’s both Mr West; yes, they are ‘genetically programmed’ to hate us AND they are propagandized into doing so even more. Non-Whites generically only respect power and only react to pain. Reason, altruism and kindness are simply not in their vocabulary.
Look at [accurate] reports of “indians” in the US – chiefs were picked by who was the most violent and deceitful. Old, non-productive members of the tribe were left alone on a hill during the winter to die. Their barbarism to not only others, but to EACH other was unimaginable. They were slavers of the first degree, using their captives until they wore them out or decided to eat them. The chinese are no better and the african even worse. This is all well documented.
The White man foolishly has sought to elevate these peoples and has concern for them and their soul [if they have one, which is open to debate]. Altruism/philanthropy is seen as a sign of weakness to these creatures to be exploited. They have no ‘respect’ for anyone who would not only give of their advantages, but PAY the third world creatures to come and take them! They are indeed envious of our accomplishments, our intellect, and what it built as well as the beauty of the race.
So, once unthinking Whites allow/invite them into our countries, they suck it up but are not grateful because they think we are idiots for allowing it! In this aspect, they are smarter than we are… THEN, along comes the jew – who we are stupid enough to not only allow in but gain control – and uses the POCs as foot soldiers in (((their))) continuing attempt to rid the world of US.
This is their end game, not only because of the eternal enmity between the seed of God and the seed of the devil and the ongoing battle between Jacob and (((Esau))), but the White man has throughout history been the only bulwark against one world government and (((their))) total domination as their talmud says should happen.
There could never be any peace between Whites and the rest if we are thrown together, and the only peace even if segregated would have to be enforced with violence. It’s all they understand.
100%!
Thanks for contributing.
🙂
It goes beyond that. I think the elohim that created them did so to have servants, not sons. White westerners are obviously the Sons of God, intended to image their Father. Basically you are spiritually on a higher level of existence and authority than them. This makes you inherently scary as well as enviable, and of course, that leads to hate.
Being a light to the world is a facet of Imaging God. The nonwhite world doesn’t image, which is how we are told to judge for fruit. There’s a reason God let us have an external visual to identify other imagers.
Hi Gordon, if you are concerned if you are mixed blood might I offer this:
firstly, there’s many different types of White people. All across Europe White people look different from each other from place to place.
secondly, God said He would keep a remnant of His chosen people that would be scattered and need to be regathered… I believe we see this today in places where White people use to live, e.g. the blond White looking people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Tunisia, Turkey, etc. perhaps some pure blooded White people still live there? are they a remnant? God knows for certain, I don’t.
thirdly, the fact that you’re thinking along the lines of what I would call True Christianity and have found your way here to this comment section to converse with everyone about what the vast number of people of the world abhore, TRUTH – if you have been born again with the Holy Ghost, then praise God! maybe it’s a sign from God? like minded people atract like minded people, ya know.
and lastly, Jesus said, that many are called and yet few are chosen. Perhaps none of us here commenting will be chosen. so if you are worried about being mixed blood and concerned that you might not be saved, don’t be. You can’t change your blood line, so just keep on truckin’ and enjoy your life 🙂
I know heaps and heaps of mixed blood people, and not a single one thinks about True Christianity or shows any inkling of unconscious True Christianity.
I trust that wasn’t preachy (I wrote it in kindness and chummyness)
Can a man who is 99% White and 1% not White obtain Salvation?
King Baldwin the leper, one of the greatest and strongest Crusader Kings, defeated and routed Saladin and despite his illness mantained the safety and integrity of Christendom in the Middle East by himself.
The thing about Baldwin was that he had an Armenian ancestor and therefore he was something like 1-5% not White.
He was not completely White and yet God seemed to never have left him despite his illness.
How do you explain that?
Gordon:
We would advise anyone to be very careful in making any definitive conclusions about such alleged race mixing at the time of Baldwin IV.
Yes, his mother had descended from Armenian royalty; however, you must keep in mind that the original Armenians were direct descendants of Noah, through Japheth, down to Hayk. Ethnically, they were likely Assyrian….with some Aryan Hittite mixture….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayk
These original Armenians were not the same people as modern Armenians who are clearly an arab mixed people. The original area of Armenia in Parthia was highly hellenized, culturally Greek, not Muslim or Arabic. It is from these people that Baldwin’s mother most likely descended.
Ok, thank you for the clarification but anyway if a population has brown skin that doesn’t necessarily mean they are descendant from arabs, for example iranians have become brown because of the mass movements of indians into their eastern territories snce ancient times not becuase of some short lived arab rule.
Azerbaijanis and Armenians have central-Asian dna, from brown skinned populations like kazakhs, Turks and swarthy mongols and this is proven by DNA tests, while the middle eastern ancestry is minimal.
Gordon…..
Don’t get lost in the weeds. “Arab” means simply “Mixed”. It doesn’t matter the source. Yes …. we have defined a group of people as “Arabs” who happen to practice the religion of Islam.
But why are you arguing over the origin of any brown/yellow/black/red peoples???
They are not us — have nothing to do with us — we shouldn’t even have to even think about them. If it wasn’t for the Jew, we could have our own lands and have nothing to do with non-whites except maybe to “Trade” goods. Period. End of Story.
I would encourage you to get back to basics. Read Madison Grant and or Lothrop Stoddard.
We are the Adamites of Scripture. We, the White Peoples of the World are from Adam and Eve. The yellow, black and red peoples are not from Adam and Eve.
We should not be unkind to them — but in a perfect world, we should have nothing to do with them.
Why do YOU care? Serious question. Are you a Universalist? Just curious.
It is Ok if you are. If you are ………… let’s talk about it. Why, are you a Universalist is what I’d like to hear. What SCRIPTURAL argument would you make for being a Universalist.
Peace.
“Why do YOU care? Serious question. Are you a Universalist? Just curious. It is Ok if you are. If you are ………… let’s talk about it. Why, are you a Universalist is what I’d like to hear.”
I was curious about it since I am the son of a White Catholic Portuguese man and an Iraqi Assyrian woman of the Chaldean Church, both are immigrants to Canada, the nation where I have lived my whole life.
My mother looks very White despite being from the middle east and I think I am no more than 10% non-White, that’s why I asked if you think that an unpure mostly White man can obtain salvation, I have been a Christian my whole life and despite my parents not being very faithful I am a practicing Christian, I always felt the call of God inside of me and the presence of God in my life.
That’s why I asked my initial question, because your one drop rule doctrine is contradictory with my personal life experience.
Gordon…..
Thank you so much for sharing.
Can we have a follow-up conversation?
I hope so.
Do you accept the primary premise of this Website — that the White Peoples of the earth are the Israelites of Scripture?
Thank you again, sincerely.
Hi West I answer here your second comment because I am not allowed to do it directly under the website settings, also forgive for making you wait but I don’t like to spend much time online and regardless of that it wasn’t easy to write down in this comment what I think and how I feel.
“Can we have a follow-up conversation?
I hope so.”
Do you accept the primary premise of this Website — that the White Peoples of the earth are the Israelites of Scripture?”
Yes I do, I agree with most of what this websites says except a few insignificant details not worth listing.
As I told you I am mixed, I look completely White (Green eyes, small nose, pink skin, tall, light brown hair) despite my mother being Assyrian, She is White looking as my grandma is but my grandpa and almost all my other maternal relatives are light-brown skinned and have middle eastern facial features, to give you an example I put here an image of Assyrian people from google image:
– http://www.aina.org/images/amd201437.jpg
– https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/GettyImages-1134270965.jpg
– https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/f1c2637f41aad5523dd9743d5dce06b0
According to my researched Assyrians are around 10-20% non-White and my father being fully White led me to believe that I am between 5 and 10% non-White.
My first comments was about the destiny of people like myself who are mostly White but who sadly have some non-White admixture.
Is Salvation something that goes away forever once a man has mixed blood inside himself ?
Does it follow the one drop rule or it’s fine if I am mostly White and look like that?
That’s what I would like to know and I was hoping that CFT or other commenters could help me on it.
I know that middle eastern Christians like Assyrians and Syrians are very anti-White and extremely un-thankful towards White people who saved them from arab muslims who attacked and expelled from the middle east, they are against the idea of the middle east being originally White and only later becoming mongrelized and claim the Ancient Israelites as a brown population similar to their own, a little bit like the Egyptians do with their ancient counterparts.
Are people like me the greatest danger to White people? because we are White passing and if we race-mix we poison all the pure White bloodlines without being noticed while you can always tell apart an hapa, a black mulatto or quadroon.
Also following God’s Law against race-mixing, in case I find a woman to marry, should I pursue Assyrian or other middle eastern Christian women or since I look White a White woman? or considering my mixed origin I can go with anyone since Salvation is already lost to me?
I apologise for the long and complicate message but I would like an answer if you want to give me one, maybe it will help other unpure Whites who happen to be followers of this website.
Gordon
I would agree with you that many ethnic peoples of the Near East that you mentioned are mixed with Indian (i.e., India) blood, not necessarily Arab, though I do believe there is some Arab admixture among the Persians from the Muslim conquests of Persia, aided by the Jews there.
Note that India was at one time conquered by Aryan tribes, which created the racial caste system there. Those Aryan-Indians spread out into the Near East and contributed to the Kazakhs and Azerbaijanis who were conquered also by Alexander the Great. That’s why you will see fair-skinned, light-eyed people in these regions.
Hello Gordon
Good question….the “1% question”…..
I would never presume to know what God’s will would be in judging a person with a small racial admixture. But I do believe that the Bible prohibits unsanctioned marriages and race mixing. Some believe that the Bible suggests that after a number of generations, the small admixture is forgivable.
My personal take is that no White person should ever knowingly marry and have children with anyone they know or suspect is mixed. Outside of that, it’s out of our control.
Jermann,
Could not agree more.
Jermann:
I think you’re probably referring to the verses Deuteronomy 23:7-8?
“Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother: thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land. 8The children that are begotten of them shall enter into the congregation of the LORD in their third generation.”
At this point in history, the Edomites and the Egyptians were of the same Adamic race as the Israelites. Edom’s patriarch was Jacob’s twin brother Esau who took pagan Canaanite wives. The original Canaanites were Adamic, though probably became mixed over the long centuries, as was true of the Egyptians.
In Deuteronomy 23, many people misunderstand the meaning of “shall not enter the congregation of the Lord” to mean that these people are not recognized as true Israelites, but this isn’t true. It means that they cannot hold positions of authority in the religious hierarchy.
The prohibition of marriages with other Genesis 10 tribes such as the Ammonites, Edomites and Moabites (Deut 23:3) wasn’t for racial reasons, but for religious reasons. These tribes were pagans, and the Israelites believed that mixed marriages with them would threaten the faith of families and lead them into worshiping the false pagan gods of their tribes. The other reason for the prohibition is that these tribes treated Israel with cruelty during its time of need post-Exodus.
It seems that throughout the Old Testament, most of the tribes that Israel encountered or interacted with were technically of the same race, just different branches. Only later did these original tribes start mixing with non-Adamic peoples, which resulted in most of the arabic peoples we see today who occupy the Middle East.
God would frown upon mixed marriages because they produce confusion and mixed loyalties, with the children not accepted by the dominant race or culture. We cannot serve two masters.
Just look at the confusion that race mixing has caused among today’s Jews. Jews can’t decide if their identity is religious, ethnic, or cultural. On the other hand, for the last 2,000 years, a “Christian” has been synonymous with “a White man”. It should stay that way because our identity is now under threat and we need to reassert it more than ever for our survival and the survival of the faith.
Dombey…
Should be a HIGHLIGHTED comment. Put at the Top! A “Pinned” comment.
Bravo 👏
100% Truth.
Moabites were forbidden because of Lot’s incest. Incest warrants a perma-ban from God.
If you want to see why evangelical born again “Christianity” is not appealing to White men anymore, listen to this female preacher….she looks and sounds like she’s demon possessed…..
https://files.catbox.moe/3j1h05.mp4
Hello all. I just recently found this site and I absolutely love it! As of late, I have really begun to struggle with this world and my faith, for it seems, the white race is doomed, and the Jews have won.
I research regularly, hoping and praying, someone or something will help to renew my faith in white mankind and frankly, my faith as a Christian. I take breaks, because at times, I find myself becoming depressed and overwhelmed, when I think what lies ahead for my two little blond haired, blue eyed, Christian daughters.
So here is one question I have grappled with: how do you keep the faith? Not just in God, but also in the white race, not being completely annihilated by Jews, and frankly, stupid whites?
I recently came upon a piece of work titled, All Christians are Cucks, where the main premise of the articles states, Christianity and the Bible are made up tools of the Jews, to control and aide in the destroying of the white race. To say it turned me upside down, would be an understatement! Any help or guidance, would be, most greatly appreciated.
Welcome Lindsey,
All of us here struggle with the same issues that you do, especially the struggle against becoming “black pilled”, discouraged by the overwhelming evil in the world day.
But God promised that He would preserve a true believing remnant of Christian Israel, and His enemies know that, and everything they do to destroy that remnant is vain and futile, though difficult to watch happening.
“By which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.”
–2 Peter 1:4
As far as the common trope now among Whites that Christians are “cucks” of the Jews, we have written two essays that refute all those spurious claims, and we would encourage you to read them to that you will better understand how to answer those attacks and renew your faith. Read the comment sections too:
A Christian Response To ‘Yahweh Did Not Create Us’ By A White Nationalist
https://christiansfortruth.com/a-christian-response-to-yahweh-did-not-create-us-by-a-white-nationalist/
A Christian Response To ‘Jesus The Jew’ By White Nationalist Thomas Dalton
https://christiansfortruth.com/a-christian-response-to-jesus-the-jew-by-white-nationalist-thomas-dalton/
If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. We have a very knowledgeable group of Christians here who are more than willing to share their insights and faith.
CFT, thank you, for the warm welcome. It seems we are in such dark times, my heart and soul aches, for the little souls of this world, for it seems, their battle will be even greater than ours. I will read those articles now, and look forward to being a part of this community.
Good day Lindsey Ries, I read your comment and question with great interest. I came from an atheist background and was born again a good while ago now. I took up the cross because I could see that without faith I was on the losing side. I don’t like losing. God chose me, and I chose God.
We all know it can be hard to fight the good fight day in day out, and Im not perfect at all! I sin knowingly and unknowingly like everyone, but this is a spiritual war and I am a soldier in King Jesus’s army and I am on the winning side.
At present Christians are losing battles… but the war will be won! The devil and all the evil will be defeated.The bible is clear on that.
The bible is clear on this too: a remnant of God’s chosen people will be saved. I want to be one of the saved!
Sounds simple, and a bit like a hokey pep talk, but that’s what keeps me ticking along, but that’s just me 🙂
I hope that helps.
CHRIST IS KING, good morning to you. Your uplifting words, were not only encouraging, but beautiful; thank you for that. I was raised a Christian, was baptized, married a wonderful Christian man, and we are raising our two hound daughters as Christians; however, I myself, have dipped a toe in the pond of atheism.
Thank the Lord, nothing seems to rattle my husband’s faith, and he is always ready and willing, to pick me up and dust off the dirt covering my faith. Your perspective, as someone, who was a true atheist, I found very enlightening.
At the times, when I truly turned my back on God, we’re so dark and lonely, it is almost hard to explain. So I search, looking for anything and everything to renew my faith. Thank you, for taking the time, to assist a complete stranger in that journey. It is appreciated, more than you know. Have a wonderful day.
Lindsey Ries ……
Just wanted to weigh in as well. When I first found Christian Identity, I was on the brink of losing my faith. I grew up and spent most of my adult life in judeo-christianity. That was depressing.
When I found Christian Identity — the world began to make sense.
I do struggle with the phenomena of being “Black Pilled”. But if you read Paul the Apostle, he too was in a way black pilled from a “Human Perspective”. He said, “…all have forsaken me…”.
But he was also very optimistic as well. And, he looked forward to what comes next.
I think we can be both. It is a true and sad reality that most likely, you and your family will be mostly alone from a theological or spiritual perspective. You may never find like minded “neighbors” ever. I am surrounded right now with really good White people. Salt of the earth. They would come to my rescue in a second. Really good people. But not “Christians” as I see Christianity.
Not sure where you live — but I would highly encourage you to get somewhere North — if in the States. Yes, there are pockets of predominantly White people all across the States. I have a friend who lives in Rural Virginia, and he feels very safe. But, from my perspective, where I live we have brutal winters. And I truly believe this is why it will always be 99% White. And the kind of White People you want to have for neighbors. These are hard working peoples. Not crack heads or losers.
Paul speaks to finding “Fellowship” with other like-minded believers. But he also speaks to seeking Peace with all men. You may not find like-minded believers as neighbors ever. But you can find good and honest White people that you can live in Peace with. Find your Spiritual Fellowship on-line, like here.
Hang in there. Have hope. Do your best to keep your children isolated from the World but not too isolated that they don’t have White children to grow up with and participate in all the things we did as kids.
I live in North Idaho and of course I would highly recommend it. I drive by an elementary school weekly and I find myself having a huge smile while I drive past and every little child on the playground is White and having fun.
Of course we all here will be praying for you and don’t hesitate to reach out for help.
Peace and Safety to you Lindsey. May God keep you and bless you.
West….
I recently had a very fruitful conversation with some judeo-Christian “born again” family members. It arose over the Christian support of Israel in the current conflict in Palestine.
Of course, they asked me about Genesis 12:3, “And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
I told them that this verse had nothing to do with the State of Israel or today’s Jews. I told him that Abraham was not a Jew, nor was Issac, nor was Jacob. I told them the blessings of Abraham did not pass down to Judah. I told them the Bible never says that “Jews” are God’s chosen people. They were surprised, then actually thought about it and agreed.
And then I asked them about Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9, ” I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.”
I asked them to name any people on Earth who call themselves “Jews”. They had to concede that only the “Jews” call themselves “Jews”. So I pointed out that doesn’t it then follow that among today’s “Jews” must be the “synagogue of Satan”? They nodded in agreement!
So I said to them, as Christians we had better be very certain that if we support a Jewish state like Israel, we had better be sure we aren’t worshiping the anti-Christ, the synagogue of Satan.
They didn’t call me an “antisemite” or tune me out. They actually gave it some sincere thought. And I left it at that, didn’t press any more. Next time I see them, perhaps they will ask me more questions. We can only lead them to water, but not make them drink.
Robert M …..
Awesome. I am happy for you. You are right, we plant seeds. But we can nurture them as well. 🙂 God does the rest. Which sometimes leads me to believe He is finished trying. Why do our Peoples violently resist??? Just a rhetorical question I ponder.
Curious about something …….
Did you feel the better angle of attack, so to speak, is to put doubt into their minds as to proving modern jewry are not Israel …. VS ……
Trying to show them that White European Peoples are the Israelites of Scripture?
I’ve had no luck with either tact, honestly.
I met a man Scottish man once, who was very proud of his ancestry. A “christian” too. I thought for sure he would be very interested in learning about the idea that the Scottish could have actually been a homogenous Tribe of Israel going way back.
Oh boy. He wanted NOTHING to do with that information. Hinted I was acting like a racist. He didn’t go so far as accuse me of anti-semitism, which was nice, but he did not want to hear that the Scotts were of Israel.
Supernatural.
Thanks for sharing.
Mr West – have the Scot read the Scottish Declaration of Independence; in it they claim their direct ancestry!
Good to “see” you again Sir.
WEST
Pleasure to meet you. Thank you for taking the to time to respond to my post. I am a Northern girl (Maine) and my husband is from Ohio. My husband’s career, brought us to Georgia for 3 years, and to say it was a culture shock, would be an understatement! 3 weeks of moving here, my oldest daughter was told she was racist for being white, by some Black-Jew halfbreed. I never experienced anything like this before, as my husband has always tried to steer his career towards the white states of the country. Needless to say, once he hits 20 and retires, we will be heading to either Utah, Maine or Idaho.
I work tirelessly with the my little girls, battling the “white guilt”, society is trying so hard to push on them; it is a never ending battle. This has been one of the issues, in my struggle with my faith. That this world, these people I am surrounded by, are out to destroy the very soul of my children, and at times, I feel God is nowhere to be found. This is one of the reasons, I was so thrilled to find this site. The articles are enlightening and the information provided by other members, such as yourself, has helped immensely.
It is nice to know were are not alone, when at times, it feels like, one is drowning in a pool of vipers.
Enough whining on my part. Have a blessed day, and thank you for the kind words 🙂.
Lindsey R
The reactions on your comments are heartwarming for me. You are nor alone, we walk together in spirit
and under God’s protection.
You might read these CFT series about Esau. It gave me a lot of calmness to learn what the Bible says about the ending God has clearly expressed:
https://christiansfortruth.com/?s=esau+series
To recognice who the real “Israelites” are, was the last piece to learn on my journey as a Christian and it shook me to the basement and also the recognition how dark this man-made reality really is covered with lies all over – a time of darkness we have to go through as the book of revelation teaches us.
God bless you and your family!
Laura,
Thank you so much for the kind words. I will read the Esau series tonight. I appreciate you recommending it. Yes, I think sometimes we can forget we are not alone! That is why I love this site, it has helped to show me, none of us are alone.
Blessing to you and your family.
Hi Lindsay
I am also a mother in a very secular country, very far away from yourself, and understand your struggles. The anti white propaganda is off the scale here at the moment. In a way, that’s a positive thing because it screams desperation. The lengths they have to go to to suppress us must take all their energy! And yet still they don’t succeed. In fact, it’s having the opposite effect. To a point of course. But our faith is in Jesus Christ and it is He who has the victory. Much encouragement sister.
Praise the lord!
CFT is back!
I have prayed a lot for you guys. He always answers when you need it!
Being “Born-Again” is Synonymous of becoming a “New Creation”. No different.
All part of the New Covenant offered to the House of Israel and the House of Judah —
“… Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt …. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people…”
“…Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a New Spirit i.e., BORN-AGAIN – within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh….” Ezekiel 36:26
Yes, it’s part of the New Adam that Christ is. Jesus fulfilled the mission Adam was supposed to fulfill, but couldn’t due to his fall.
Christians are literally spiritually and eventually physically transformed into Sons of God (that same class that helped God create the world). This puts you on an authority level on part with them spiritually and above the angels.
The final stage is complete when Christ transforms the last of the physically alive Christians in the Church at his second coming. We will all be restored to the state we were intended to have prior to the fall and after Adam completed his mission to become a Son of God.
If you open yourself up to using Young’s Literal Translation, but you then direct people to ignore the obvious Universalist teachings contained within, I am suspect of your theology and motive.
What are the “obvious universalist teachings” that you speak of?
So glad to see you’re back… so many readers, myself included, missed you!
I have 2 questions.
1)After thousands of years of migrations and mixing, most of us are no longer ‘pure blooded’, even if we are white Europeans who have no memory or record of mixed marriages in our genealogical past. How can God still be selecting true/pure Israelites when there’s probably no such thing anymore?
2) I know several devout, Bible-believing Christians who have obvious African, Hispanic, Indian, etc. heritage. It seems they are as blessed by God’s grace and the atoning work of Jesus as any European (aka dispersed Israelite). What about this?
Thank you for any thoughts you may care to offer.
The question I have for you is why do these “African, Hispanic, Indian, etc.” people follow Christianity in the first place? The answer is that Christianity was the religion of the conquerors and colonizers.
If the White colonizers had practiced some other religion, these non-Whites would be practicing that other religion.
It was the Catholic Church that was largely responsible for converting these heathen tribes, in contradiction to what the Scriptures actually say. Jeremiah 31:31 says in no uncertain terms that the New Covenant will be with the same Israelite people as the Old Covenant.
Christ said He came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24). That many Christians ignored what the Scriptures said and extended the promises to non-Israelite people is not the fault of Christ, but of the false pastors and priests.
The Catholic Church offered salvation to these conquered heathen tribes to consolidate and expand its power, not because the Gospels agreed with it.
Those who practice Christianity who are outside of that New Covenant benefit from their faith by helping them live a good life, but at the end of the day, it is up to God in the judgment seat whether they can achieve eternal salvation.
Here, here! Well said.
My question stemmed from grappling with the assertion that salvation is only for the Israelites, that only Israelites can be saved. I don’t contest for one moment that it has been European Christians (very likely dispersed Israelites) who have brought the light of the gospel to all lands and peoples. It’s self evident.
But my experience with Christian ‘diversity’ (terrible word these days) leads me to believe that anyone/everyone, regardless of race, who lives by biblical principals is lifted out of abject darkness, including non-Israelites. Isn’t salvation, then, available to all races?
Please regard my question as one which comes from a genuine desire to resolve these issues for myself, not as an attack on anyone’s beliefs, especially not CFT’s. I really love this site!
Perplexed …………
Like I asked you below — because I too have the same questions — when it gets right down to it — are they truly Saved?
Seriously, this is a challenge. Find one of these so called non-white or mixed race “Christians” and reveal to them all the Facts/Information revealing the White Race are the Adamic Peoples of Scripture.
Jesus Christ was a White man who came for White Peoples. Can they be “Grafted In”, these non-white Christians???
See how they respond. That will tell you if they are truly “Born-again”.
If they can essentially worship the “jew”…. why can’t they worship White people???
Paul’s letter to the Romans — “…For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.“
BUT THE ROOT SUPPORTS YOU. That ROOT are the White Adamic Peoples of the World.
How will a non-white or mixed race person respond to this fact???
How they “respond” will tell you all you need to know as to whether they are filled with the Holy Spirit.
So far for me ………………….. they have all rejected “the Root”.
Again, I challenge you …………….. confront some of these non-white or mixed race “Christians” with the truth of Christian Identity. See how they respond.
Tell them the Germans were the good guys in World War 2. Tell them the Holocaust was a Hoax. Tell them the Jews are actively trying to genocide God’s People — the Israelites of Scripture —- the White Peoples of the world.
See how they respond. Would they love and worship a White Jesus???
I truly hope it is possible to be honest. But I don’t know, because I haven’t seen it yet.
I am pretty sure Yah’s victory will be greater than any of us can imagine, saving non-Israelites as well as Israelites. Remember John’s words Mat 3:9 “And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.”
It is the spirit that saves, not the blood, like this article describes we must let go of the physical and move into the spiritual body of Christ.
See also here: Eze 47:22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
Eze 47:23 And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.
The problem with you quoting Ezekiel 47:22 is that it says these “strangers” will inter-marry and beget children with the Israelites.
As you should know, the laws of marriage were very strict among Israelites. It was forbidden to race mix. See Deuteronomy 23:2,
“A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.”
“Bastard” here is translated from the Hebrew “mamzer” which means someone from an illegitimate marriage that creates non-Israelite children.
See Ezra 9, how the Isralites in Babylonian captivity had taken wives of “strange flesh” and created forbidden mamzer offspring. Ezra commanded that the Israelite men leave these wives and mamzer children.
All of this proves that a so-called “stranger” or “sojourner” must have been someone who is acceptable as in an Israelite marriage, which means they must with be a fellow Israelite “stranger” or an acceptable person from the original Genesis 10 nations, such as the wives taken by Jacob’s 12 sons to create the 12 tribes of Israel.
Ezekiel would have scoffed at the idea that Israelites welcome Africans, Asians, and Indians into their homes and then marry them. Only a universalist Christian steeped in 20th century egalitarianism would believe a such incredible story.
Jews are the greatest promoters of the false idea that “race doesn’t matter”.
Why? Because all of them are race mixed. As long as the mother is “jewish”, then the father can be any race and the children will still be “jewish”.
Jews want Christians to believe this same nonsense. Jews want Christians to believe that the original Israelites believed this nonsense. And they do believe it.
STUKATOTHERE ….
Question — do you personally know ONE non-white “Christian” who accepts the belief that the 12 Tribes of Israel were/are White Peoples and then of course Jesus was a White man?
Do you know a non-white “Christian” who accepts the idea that non-whites were part of the non-adamic creation?
Do they accept these teachings and also fully love and follow Jesus Christ recognizing that they are a “branch” that has been grafted in and not the ROOT? Romans 11:16-18.
If YES…… awesome! Invite them here. I’d love to fellowship with them.
I can’t wait for the day non-white Christians start speaking out against the OBVIOUS targeting of the White race. I just haven’t seen it yet. I know of ONE black man, and that’s about it.
Sincerely.
Nowhere in this article does it say that someone can be saved by their bloodline. Did you even read it?
However, it is undeniable that Christ said He came to save only the “lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt 15:24).
He does NOT say that “all lost sheep of the house of Israel will be saved” merely because they are Israelites.
He does say that those Israelites He came to save must be reborn into His spirit from above. If not, they go into the Lake of Fire. No special treatment just because they are Israelites.
You have taken this clear message and twisted it into saying something that it doesn’t.
Nowhere in the Gospels does Christ say He came to offer salvation for anyone else than the 12 tribes of Israel.
If that doesn’t seem fair to you, take it up with Jesus Christ.
“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth”.
Robert M …….. ( And STUKATOTHERESCUE )
“….Nowhere in this article does it say that someone can be saved by their bloodline. Did you even read it? …..”
Good Point and Question Robert! And NO, he most likely did not read this nor any other article about this Topic on this Website.
Some good advice for all of us — be sure to include the NAME of the person we are responding to at the top of the page; as I suspect, if one is reading the “Recent Comments” looking for whether or not someone responded to their comment, they may not realize someone did. And then once the comment thread grows; it is hard to distinguish who the reply is to and which comment is in reference, etc., etc.
I’m holding my breath as to whether or not stukatotherescue will sincerely address our inquires.
If STUKATOTHERESCUE is reading this — Please read this article — https://christiansfortruth.com/the-great-commission-did-jesus-christ-intend-the-gospel-to-reach-everyone-on-earth/
The irony for me is that I would like to believe that Eternal Life is awarded to non-white peoples who truly KNOW and Love Jesus Christ.
My problem is — that I don’t know any who do!
Maybe STUKATOTHERESCUE you do. Remember, having a saving relationship with Jesus is a lot more than just a mental belief/acknowledgement.
There are MANY versions of “Jesus” these days — 2 Corinthians 11:1-4.
Jews think Christianity is “unfair” because it teaches only those who believe and follow Christ can have eternal life.
Muslims also think Christianity is “unfair” because they can’t worship Allah and Mohammed and have eternal life.
All non-Christians think Christianity is “unfair” and “fascist” for the same reasons.
And judeoChristians believe that Christians who believe only Israelites can be saved are “unfair”.
Where does it say in the Bible that God is “fair” to everyone? Our ideas of “fairness” are not God’s ideas. He knows what he’s doing. We don’t.
Perplexed
“But my experience with Christian ‘diversity’ (terrible word these days) leads me to believe that anyone/everyone, regardless of race, who lives by biblical principals is lifted out of abject darkness, including non-Israelites. Isn’t salvation, then, available to all races?”
I think you are right, as we humans can’t estimate (gauge?) God’s love in its wholeness. His love and salvation work on our earth really transcends our capacity of recognition.
Sure, when Jesus (born in the line of Jacob as Jesajah announced) walked in person among his humans on the earth he told them: King James Bible
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matth. 15:24
He taught his oblivious Israelites himself and even the other inhabitants of the Holy Land who wanted to listen to him.
But when he had finished salvation (payed the “fee” for us on the cross”), Jesus became CHRIST and from that moment on every human being – regardless of race – could believe and follow Christ and thus might be saved (by faith, grace and action).
Why else on earth did (resurrected) Christ tell his disciples: 19 Go [a]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit … Matth. 28:19 …
It would absolutely make no sense, if he only cared for his Israelites (wheneven his human part was one of them).
To me it seems to be the Israelites’ task to help with God’s soul harvest on earth (to find our way back “home” to where we once came from – the lost son).
Sorry for mistakes – I am not raised as an English speaking being – but I am Israelite.
Laura,
In regard to Matthew 28:19, the commission for the Israelites to preach to the “nations” did not refer to every nation in the world as we think of them today. In this context, Christ is referring only to the original Genesis 10 nations or tribes. See:
Who Are ‘The Nations’ In Scripture — And Who They Are Not — And Why It Matters
https://christiansfortruth.com/who-are-the-nations-in-scripture-and-who-they-are-not-and-why-it-matters/
And our essay on the meaning of “the world” in biblical context and the Great Commission:
What ‘The World’ Meant In The Bible’s Apostolic Age Is NOT What It Means Today
https://christiansfortruth.com/what-the-world-meant-in-the-bible-and-apostolic-age-is-not-what-it-means-today/
Laura
You asked, “Why else on earth did (resurrected) Christ tell his disciples: 19 Go [a]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit … Matth. 28:19 …”
You do of course realise that is the ‘trinity doctrine, sometime referred to as the ‘Nicene Creed’: a triangle, three aspects of the Father?
Such thoughts were developed long after Yashua (Jesus) walked among us, and as such Matt 28:19 must be flagged as a potential ‘tare’ sowed into the texts by the scribes.
“Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees”.
Matt 28:19 not only cannot have been in the original texts (due to the trinity doctrine’s origin being centuries later), the verse also promotes Universalism.
Gareth
You are correct, Matthew 28:19 clearly is problematic. The first part is probably the original text: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations”.
The second part must have been added later: “…baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”.
This is the only verse in the entire New Testament that refers to the so-called “holy trinity” which wasn’t acknowledged until after the Council of Nicea over 300 years later.
Without a second witness to this “trinity” in the NT, we can be confident that it was not in the original text.
That said, the command to take the Gospel to “all the nations” cannot possibly mean every nation in the world today or every tribe of people. This command was given to only Israelites to take the Gospel to other Israelites living in the known Greco-Roman “world”.
See our essays:
Who Are ‘The Nations’ In Scripture — And Who They Are Not — And Why It Matters
https://christiansfortruth.com/who-are-the-nations-in-scripture-and-who-they-are-not-and-why-it-matters/
What ‘The World’ Meant In The Bible’s Apostolic Age Is NOT What It Means Today
https://christiansfortruth.com/what-the-world-meant-in-the-bible-and-apostolic-age-is-not-what-it-means-today/
Hi. If I may briefly offer what I think on these two questions:
1. God says that He will forever keep a remnant of His creation e.g. “the camp of the saints” from Revalation.
and your first question leads to your second… 2. what if I am mixed race from ancestors gone by that I don’t know of? or if I am a different race, say, black, for example?; we all will say “Lord, Lord! I have followed you!” I think that Jesus will say “Be gone from me, I never knew you” or words to that effect.
God knows his sheep, and His sheep know His voice.. but how many sheep are really sheep? and how many are goats? and how many are well-meaning goats that think they’re sheep? and how many think they’re goats but are really sheep? How many are pre destined to be saved? etc etc
Find out on judgement day 🙂
Agreed. Modern judeo-christians have no choice but to believe that God changed his mind about who was in and who was excluded from the covenant.
They teach that merely because “some Jews” rejected Christ that God changed his mind and decided to extend his exclusive covenant with Israel to include anyone who merely “believed in Jesus”. How lukewarm.
Does God change his mind?
“God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?” (Numbers 23:19)
Robert M…
God most definitely does not change nor change His mind. And Jesus most definitely said he came only for the lost sheep of Israel. Yet it appears that many non-Israelites are true Christians. Hence my confusion…
Perplexed …..
“…Yet it appears that many non-Israelites are true Christians. Hence my confusion…
What is your “Standard” for one to be Christian???
Just saying you are?
As I have written several times here in the past few days — I am waiting for these non-white “Christians” to begin to speak out against 1) International Jewry and 2) the OBVIOUS targeting of the White Race.
I don’t see it.
Have you read Romans 11:16-18 —
For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and [d]fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you…” THE ROOT SUPPORTS YOU.
Now, most “Christians” these days believe themselves to be “Gentiles”. That is what their church teaches them. So, non-white christians would be those “grafted in” according to Evangelical Christianity.
So now ….. the next time you meet a non-white christian, tell them about the White Jesus. Tell them about the Israelites being White Peoples. Send them E. Raymond Capt’s “The Abrahamic Covenant”.
The “ROOT” are White Peoples.
Judeo-Christians love the Jews. Boy, do they love the Jews.
So, why can’t they Love in the same way White Peoples???
In my experience and this is just my experience — so far I haven’t met any. And when I do speak to non-white Christians about Israelite Identity, they pretty much dismiss me and then hate me.
Even my own White extended family — when I tell them about Israel Identity, they hate me too.
Question for EVERYONE reading this — Can a man or woman be truly filled with the Holy Spirit if they reject the teachings of Christian Identity? I seriously would like to know. I don’t see how it is possible, to be honest.
The Holy Spirit does not Lie — nor is the Holy Spirit confusing.
I’m very eager and open to the idea that non-whites can be filled with the Holy Spirit. I want to see this. Just haven’t yet.
When will non-white Peoples start to defend the White Peoples of the world who are being targeted for Ethnocide in such an obvious fashion???
West,. Hi
Sending you this Proverb in which I go by every day.
“The fear of man brings a snare,
But one who trusts in the Lord will be protected.”
Proverb 29:25
As the spirit of the Antichrist grows, its Largeness (grotesque) is oppressing true Believers in Christ. Our faith is being tested at great lengths. Also God is separating the wheat from the chaff etc. Let God do the separating…trust me you will gain more peace.
Yes, vexation is great, but God is greater. Jesus always spoke Truth to Satan. We go through pain…enough to end this relationship, but He keeps us. Our Comforter The Holy Spirit sees us through.
TBH…my life could end any minute but I am not afraid and ready for I despise the grotesque evil that is here and wish everyday for it to be destroyed. God doesn’t give us a spirit of fear but of courage.
—-Sparrow——
Thank you Sparrow for the encouragement.
I will take encouragement and “fellowship” all day/every day. 🙂
But, I think I must not have made my point as clear as I would have liked.
I do not fear man — especially the non-white man. I actually welcome death. But this doesn’t mean that I am going to rent a house in the hood of Atlanta Georgia! 🙂
I just love White people if I’m honest. Even when they are not Christian. I moved to North Idaho from Atlanta Georgia not out of fear for my life, but because North Idaho is BEAUTIFUL. And White People are Beautiful. I enjoy living around people who look like me and act like me for the most part.
You then said — “…Let God do the separating…trust me you will gain more peace….”
I’m not sure we both understand this passage in the same way. First — I am not making any Eternal Judgements on non-white people based on their color of skin.
I “Inspect Fruit”, period. And I inspect the fruit of my Racial Kin, just as I would a non-white.
Let me pose a Hypothetical —- Let’s say Jesus tarries for another 100 years.
I live in a Predominately White area; but with a very small Liberal City Center. Rich Liberal White peoples (some jews) are coming to my town in mass and buying up all the real estate and taking over the City Counsel.
All of a sudden, we are seeing LGBQTRS flags popping up on the lawns/front yards of once a very conservative town. This town was built on Logging, Mining and Farming. Salt of the Earth Peoples. Hard working blue collard workers. The little town had bars and restaurants and that was about it. Now, it has Art Galleries and New Age Holistic stores that cater to the Liberal Elite.
And I know what is coming next — NON-WHITES. Because they need these non-whites to come and work the shitty jobs.
Question for you —- Are you asking me to sit on my hands and do nothing to stop these Liberal Marxists from bussing in non-whites to live in my part of the Country?
Right now they are building “Low Income Housing”. Guess what that is Code-Word for???
It ain’t for low income White People, I can guarantee you that.
You said, ” …. let God do the separating…”.
I’m not sure we both agree as to what this passage is speaking to.
Question — are you saying to me that we as White Christians have no business being active in how our world is being shaped?
If a non-white horde demanded entrance into your home to use your toilet and raid your fridge and sleep on your beds and couches — are you just going to allow them to and say to yourself — “… I will allow God to do the separating…”
As if God is going to throw these people out of your house for you?
Maybe we open this question up to the rest of the commenters.
What does that passage mean?
I truly believe you mean well. You seem like a very good hearted, generous and sweet man. But I wonder if perhaps this is a weakness and not a strength?
Do you have a FB account? I recently created one to evangelize the Christian Identity Message. Maybe we could get to know each other through Instant Message. If it is Ok with the CFT administration to share a FB profile here in the comments.
Let me know if you have a FB account first, and then we will go from there.
Sincerely, West
Ps. I do appreciate you reaching out. I do. I just think we might be confusing a few things. Cheers.
To West
No FB for me. I am a woman, not a man. I live in the midst of a dung hole diametrically opposed to good Believers in Christ. Why? Because this is where God has put me.
I have been through hell for years trying to realize and experience God’s miracles in the midst of great evil. I don’t have the luxury of moving. Nor has He made a SOVEREIGN WAY yet.
How can one experience God without diversity? This is one of the reasons Jesus came against the Pharisees because they were DEVOID OF THE SPIRIT THAT CAUSES FREEDOM FROM OUR ENEMIES ! No “religion” can do this. So what happens next is Witnessing God deliver me…as He says …They hate Me. I’m a Witness to several who tried to kill me…but He destroyed them. I do not have weapons so I depend soley upon Him. One particular enemy was a police officer but he is no more!
IF WE DO WHAT GOD WANTS BEING LED BY HIS SPIRIT, HE PROMISED TO NEVER LEAVE US NOR FORSAKE US. Daniel wasn’t forsaken. Nor Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego…etc. A true witness of God’s Promises means that HE IS THE ONE WHO SAVES.
I don’t like seeing what is going on in this evil nation of ours either…but only God can deliver us from HIS ENEMIES, as they are legions. He has taught me how to not be afraid of them…and how to wait upon Him. HE IS GREATER AND I AM WITNESS TO IT.
—-Sparrow—-
Greetings Sparrow. Thank you for being transparent. This is not a negative, but knowing that you are a woman helps me to understand you more clearly. We all have different gifts.
I do take issue with your idea that we cannot experience God without racial Diversity. I think your example of the Pharisees is Apples and Oranges. My take on this matter is the “Racial Diversity” is our punishment.
Kin to Codreanu’s Quote — “… we get the Jews we deserve…”.
But we do agree on one thing — God’s Will Be Done. Only He ultimately can save us now. But I’m going to witness to the truth for as long as I can.
Thank you for sharing. Peace and safety to you.
West
Yes, diversity is a punishment from God for the disobedience of Israel, according to Deuteronomy 28:
32 “Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, while your eyes grow weary looking for them day after day, with no power in your hand….”
43 “The foreigner living among you will rise higher and higher above you, while you sink down lower and lower. 44He will lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He will be the head, and you will be the tail….”
49 “The LORD will bring a nation from afar, from the ends of the earth, to swoop down upon you like an eagle—a nation whose language you will not understand, 50a ruthless nation with no respect for the old and no pity for the young….”
66 “So your life will hang in doubt before you, and you will be afraid night and day, never certain of survival….”
God warns the Israelites that he will use the other nations (tribes) as a rod of chastisement:
Psalm 106:41-44
“Then He gave them into the hand of the nations,
And those who hated them ruled over them.
Their enemies also oppressed them,
And they were subdued under their power.
Many times He would deliver them;
They, however, were rebellious in their counsel,
And so sank down in their iniquity….”
—–Robert M——-
Robert,
Thank you for the addition/contribution. Appreciate it.
Anytime we can ground our belief in Scripture is edifying.
A quick thought on Universalism — I think some of our people just have a hard time accepting “exclusivity” simply because of our built in Empathy.
Unless they themselves find themselves the victim or are affected by diversity, they just will never come to understand. I can’t say for sure, because hindsight is always 20/20, but I would be curious how I would have responded to some of these articles about Universalism versus Exclusivity, if I were living in North Idaho at the time. I was living in Atlanta Georgia when I was confronted with this information. “Race” was already beginning to percolate in my soul. “..Why are they so different from me,” I would ask myself?
However, the wild card here for me is the role and the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher. I don’t see how a person filled with the Holy Spirit would still rebuff Exclusivity over Universalism.
Which leads to my theory about “what” is truly a “Christian”.
Our Evangelical Neighbors who appear to love Jesus — but when presented with the teachings of Christian Identity — want to then hate us ….. what does that say?
I believe the answer Rhetorical. If anyone would like to challenge that, I’d be open to the debate.
Cheers.
“Yet it appears that many non-Israelites are true Christians”.
No offence, brother. but that comment is akin to stating it appears many non-sheep are true sheep.
I have opened up conversations with agnostic friends by insisting to them that they are Christians, “whether they like that idea or not”.
Christians are a race of people, we were indeed shielded from mamzer corruption for centuries as the Father guided our movements towards western Europe, and “the isles”.
Once a distinction is made in one’s mind between a “Christian” and “Having Christian beliefs” then much becomes clearer.
Thank you, ChristIsKing. It’s so true that we don’t know who is truly a sheep vs a goat. Only God knows this and only He gathers His sheep to himself.
Throughout the entire Bible only Israelites are ever referred to as “sheep”.
Perplexed…..
Revelation 21:12 tells us that the Kingdom of Heaven has 12 gates, which correspond to the 12 tribes of Israel to enter:
“It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel.”
Which of those 12 gates to the Kingdom will Africans, Indians, Mexicans and Asians pass through?
Good point, John@Patmos.)
Perplexed …………..
Your question is “perplexing”. I often ask the same. However …………… one thing I’ve noticed with these non-white “Christians”.
They don’t have any loyalty for the White race. Will they come to our rescue when we are about to become an endangered species? They flood our lands but don’t give us the respect we deserve for being the builders and creators of such lands. We provided what they come here for but yet metaphorically spit in our face.
We see how much of the “Christian World” loves the Jews. Boy, do they love the Jews. Even within my own family (All White by the way) they love the Jews! When I tell them about my love for our White Peoples — they hate me.
When I challenge non-white “Christians” with the knowledge that the White Race are the Israelites of the Scriptures — they TURN ON ME within seconds. Call me racist. Call me a nazi. Call me a hater. Accuse me of having no love in my heart. Etc., etc.
Why? Why are they so repulsed at the idea that the White Peoples of History are descendants of the 12 Tribes of Israel —- but yet they have no problem believing the mongrel Jews are god’s chosen???
I challenge you —– find one of these so called non-white or mixed race “Christians” and present the information to them that the White Race are the Israelites of Scripture.
See how they respond to you.
Let me know how it goes. Sincerely.
I appreciate your thoughtful response to my questions. My conclusions are similar to yours… the migrant flood people hate us. As do the ‘Judeo-Christians’ (those who believe the so-called jews are God’s chosen). I’ll try your experiment and write back about what happens.
“Why are they so repulsed at the idea that the White Peoples of History are descendants of the 12 Tribes of Israel —”
The sad part is; the Judeo-Christians are the worst of the lot in my experiences. They literally froth at the mouth in their anger.
Lerch …
You missed the part I wrote in my comment —
“…Even within my own family (All White by the way) they love the Jews! When I tell them about my love for our White Peoples — they hate me….”
I agree. Judeo-christians hate White people who believe in Identity. For no cause whatsoever. My family won’t even discuss it with me. They won’t even just read ONE article.
It’s truly SUPERNATURAL.
I am new to this site and this information is new, and a revelation to me. I must admit that this rings true, especially as just about anything today I know to be truth is wholly and violently opposed by the majority of the [fallen] world today. Even those that I would have considered brethren, I now chalk up as traitors. (For they love not the truth enough to truly behold it when it whacks them in the face)
Perplexed said, “After thousands of years of migrations and mixing, most of us are no longer ‘pure blooded’, even if we are white Europeans who have no memory or record of mixed marriages in our genealogical past.”
This describes the Jews more than most northern White Europeans who have not mixed with other peoples to any significant or discernible degree.
I believe that God has preserved a pure remnant of his people because if he hasn’t it would nullify the whole point of the Flood to preserve Noah’s pure bloodline, and nullify the whole point of Christ regathering all 12 tribes of Israel.
None of us know our genealogies going back to the beginning, which is why we need faith, especially if we have no knowledge of mixing in our bloodlines, that we are among that remnant and worth preserving.
I can see your point, Robert M. We know from both history and the Bible that ‘jews’ have mixed with races of all kinds and are no longer anything resembling genetically ‘original’. And we can and must rest in the knowledge that God preserves his people, just as we know he has preserved his Word.
And I would add one more important point — when a White man or a White woman mates with a non-white, the results are OBVIOUS. This is the CURSE of race-mixing. The White identity is gone. The children look predominantly like the non-white man or woman.
Race-mixing is a relatively new phenomenon. Just look at photos from just 50 years ago.
When we see a White person, it’s very obvious. At least in my experience.
When I venture out into the public and notice people, I’ll admit, I look at brown/yellow peoples and I’m absolutely dumbfounded about what race they originally were. Its confusion.
But I know a White person when I see one.
I reject the idea that because of years and migrations we have no idea of our Ancestry.
As far as White Ethnicities mixing with other White Ethnicities, in this I agree!
I’m a White mutt — Russian, Welsh, German, Scottish ancestry.
West wrote “I’m a White mutt — Russian, Welsh, German, Scottish ancestry.”
I assume you’re American? In the last 100 years many Americans have become this kind of mixed European ancestry. Tom Brady the football player comes to mind whose ancestry is Irish, Swedish, Norwegian, German, and Polish.
I think this is why America is the prophesied New Jerusalem where all the 12 tribes of Israel would be regathered.
I’d say the term “White mutt” is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms, though I know what you mean. I’ve seen White people use that term to “prove” they aren’t racially pure, and to “prove” they are not a “White supremacist”. I’ve never used it to describe myself, nor would I for that reason.
apolis …
“…I’d say the term “White mutt” is an oxymoron….”
I agree, and I appreciate you making the distinction.
I just know that I’m not Predominantly German. Or Predominantly Irish. Or from Scottish Stock only.
“…I’ve seen White people use that term to “prove” they aren’t racially pure, and to “prove” they are not a “White supremacist”….”
That is depressing. But thank you for pointing this out. I wish I could now edit my comment. I won’t say that ever again.
It would be a very cool Research Paper, if it were possible, to trace the Genealogies of each of the 12 Tribes and how they eventually inter-married within each other’s Families. I still hold out the idea that there were White Adamites, not part of the 12 Tribes, that lived scattered across the earth that eventually too, found their way into the Families of Israel. The White Race is very Diverse within out own Creation, and I love that about us.
Peace and Cheers!
I think God has kept a careful watch over us through the years. There are still many pure Israelites. Amos 9:9 “For surely I will command, And will sift the house of Israel among all nations, As grain is sifted in a sieve; Yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.
He who blesses you I will bless, he who curses you, I will curse. The non-Adamic people who are not in contention with us are blessed in this world, and death is merciful.
I’m not too ashamed to admit that I used to be one of those Christians who insisted that “born from above” was the correct translation and that “born again” was wrong.
It’s true–I was motivated by discrediting born again Christianity and threw the baby out with the bathwater.
After reading this, I can now see how I was misled. Thanks for the clarification on this important issue.
Good points Brian, I was the same way. It is a common theme within groups like DSCI to completely ignore the spiritual meaning of scripture. Of course we all agree here that Salvation is only for the White Adamic people (Israelites and Genesis 10 nations). Yet certain camps insist that rejecting two seedline or Angels copulating with humans somehow leads to universalism. I commend you for your dedication to the truth, I am glad to see others are waking up as well.