Here we conclude our series on Charles A. Weisman’s book Who Is Esau-Edom?
Weisman writes,
Exit Esau-Edom
In this final act of God’s Script for the world we find appearing on center stage the same two characters which first made their appearance in Genesis 25 -that being Esau and Jacob. The end of the script reads just as most would expect and hope -with justice and a happy ending. Here we find God’s people (Israel) being delivered from the hand of their enemy (Edom) who ends up being destroyed:
For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as you have done, it shall be done unto you; your reward shall return upon your own head. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD has spoken it.
–Obadiah 1:17, 18
What is being talked about in these verse is the elimination of Esau as a people — “There shall not be anv remains o! the house of Esau, for the Lord has spoken it.” With this decree God has signed and sealed Esau’s death warrant. In this scene the character Esau-Edom makes his final exit off stage, which means he is forever eliminated from the world scene (see also Isaiah 34:5-6). The Book of Jubilees says that when Esau would gain dominion over Jacob, Esau would “commit a sin unto death, and all thy seed shall be rooted out from under heaven” (Chap. 26:35).
Here then we have the extermination of an entire race or group of people — the Edomites. Today this is often called “genocide.” The Bible actually prophesies the genocide of Esau-Edom! Knowing this, we must again put ourselves in the role of Esau to understand what is happening today. If your role called for your destruction would you not want to change or circumvent that scene?
Why is it that the Jew is running around trying to get laws passed — internationally and nationally — to prevent any acts that could be construed as leading to or causing genocide? If your life was on the line would you not be doing the same?
The Jews have instigated and promoted the genocide treaty, the genocide convention, genocide laws, and even have invented the very word and meaning of “genocide.” In late November, 1944, a book was released titled, Axis Rule in Occupied Europe, authored by a Polish Jew and lawyer by the name of Raphael Lemkin. In this book, Lemkin introduced a new word — “genocide.”
Lemkin uttered with grim hyperbolic judgment, “The Nazis have destroyed whole nations, a crime for which the present writer has coined the word ‘genocide’ — in analogy with homicide and fratricide.”
–James J. Martin, The Man who Invented ‘Genocide’, (1984) p. 3.
Genocide, by its definition “was a group offense against another group.” It was in its truest sense, an international crime — one race or nation against another.
Raphael Lemkin’s new crime, and his new word for it — ‘genocide’ — achieved dizzying success. Less than a decade after he first fabricated it, enough States represented in the United Nations Organization came to ratify the Convention which incorporated it as a new international crime — and most of them surrounded it with enabling legislation to make it the law of their lands as well. All of this was achieved by 1951 [ibid., p. 13].
To show the world that this new crime of genocide is a potential threat, the Jews found it necessary to fabricate the monstrous lie of their “holocaust” story where 6 million of their race were allegedly killed by Nazi Germany during World War II. This worked effectively to play on the sympathy of most people — especially when it is presented in a dramatic and emotional manner.
The Jews have established several groups and organizations to spread their biased propaganda and to monitor acts they believe may threaten their extinction. One such group — the Simon Wiesenthal Center — dedicates its energies to “Holocaust studies.” It also tracks down “Nazi War Criminals” worldwide so they can be tried and executed through their kangaroo court in Israeli or the U.N. World Court.
They thus are held up as an example to anyone who would dare think of harming or plotting to kill Jews or declare war on them. [While in July, 1933, the Jews declared a “holy war….a war that must be waged unremittingly” on Germany.” New York Times, August 7, 1933.]
There is also the Jewish Anti-Defamation League which “strives to institutionalize Holocaust instruction in the nation’s school rooms.” In addition, “ADL’s Nazi War criminals Task Force cooperates with government agencies here and abroad to bring these [war] criminals to justice” [from the Anti-Defamation League brochure of May, 1991, written by Jack J. Zurofsky].
Why is it no other group, nation or race of people is as worried and concerned about the concept of genocide as the Jews are? It is because in God’s Script for the world the Jews are scheduled to be exterminated — and that impending reality is why they are so paranoid about “genocide.” It would seem the Jews are fearful of receiving the retribution they know they deserve.
As the Jew Karl Marx once stated,
“There can be no solution of the problems of the world without the destruction of the Jews and their religion, Judaism.”
—Emanuel M. Josephson, The Strange Death of Franklin D. Roosevelt, New York-Chedney Press, 1948, p. 50
Jacob As God’s Tool of Vengeance
There is more to this story of Edom’s demise revealed in the Script that must be considered — and that is the means by which Edom is destroyed. It is Jacob that God will use to destroy and kill Esau-Edom.
In Obadiah’s prophecy it says that “Jacob shall be a fire.” (Obadiah 1:8). This is not a purifying or refining fire but a consuming and destroying fire. This fire will both “kindle” and “devour” the “house of Esau” which is regarded as “stubble,” a substance which can be easily burned up and destroyed. Like stubble, Esau’s very nature is a catalyst that brings about his own destruction.
It is interesting that the Jews have chosen the word “holocaust” meaning the whole of something which is burned. The whole house of Esau is described as being burned up — a true holocaust is about to occur. The Jews cry “never again” in reference to the Holocaust story, but the fact is — it has not yet happened. This destruction will happen to the Jews and at the hand of Israel, the white race, as verified by Ezekiel:
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also stretch out my hand upon Edom. and I will cut off man and beast from it; and I will make it desolate from Teman; and they of Dedan shall fall by the sword. And I will lay my vengeance upon Edom by the hand of my people Israel: and they shall do in Edom according to my anger and according to my fury.; and they shall know my vengeance, saith the Lord GOD.
—Ezekiel 25:13, 74. Teman and Dedan were major cities of Edom.
Here is another prophecy involving the destruction of Edom at the hands of Israel. This prophecy — from both Obadiah and Ezekiel — was given at about the time of the Babylonian captivity of Jerusalem (586 B.C.). There thus is no period in Bible history that these prophecies ever could have or did occur.
What these prophecies reveal, then, is that Israel, the white race, will some day kill off the entire house (family line) of Esau, which includes the Edomite Jews. This presents the ultimate shock and horror to those of the worldly mind set — for this is the one thing above all things that the world has been conditioned into believing must never happen. Even the slightest infringement or harm of a Jew by a white person brings cries of “persecution,” “anti-Semitism,” and the remembrance of the Jewish “holocaust.”
This is another case where the worldly perspective is opposite and contrary to what God has planned for Esau in the earth. Esau has deceived and influenced most of the world that this plan of his destruction by Jacob (the white race) is evil — that it should never occur — and all measures must be taken to assure it never can occur.
The story of the Holocaust was invented by Esau (the Jews) to give life and meaning to this worldly perspective of genocide. They try to say that genocide almost happened! White people (i.e., Germans) almost exterminated the Jews — and we must never allow such conditions to ever exist again which could precipitate “another” holocaust of Jews. This is what the world has been taught — and believes.
The Edomite-Canaanite Jews have fabricated the 6 million Jewish holocaust story to direct the world away from their inevitable prophetic fate. They are saying that this portion of God’s Script must never be acted out on stage.
Popular thought and opinion finds the plans of God in this regard absolutely repugnant because God does not recognize the right of the Jews to continue to exist. Thus no preacher or theologian would dare speak the truth regarding the Jews or the ways of God. Yet God says that the day is coming in which “there shall no longer be a (Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts” (Zechariah 14).
There is not one verse in the Bible that tells us the inherently wicked Edomite-Canaanite people can or will be saved. Rather they are to be exterminated. Fifteen times in the book of Psalms alone God says He will destroy the wicked; not once does He say they shall be accepted in His Kingdom. The antichrists of this world are to be destroyed — and Jews are devoted antichrists as indicated by their own “fruits.”
The idea that God would sanction genocide should not be regarded as something new and unique — for God had commanded Israel to kill off and “utterly destroy” the seven other nations or races which were in Canaan (Deuteronomy 7:1, 2). This would have been a genocide of these seven races had the Israelites carried out God’s command.
The Edomites also find a parallel with the “tares” in the parable of the tares and the wheat. The tares were planted in the field — or the world — along with the wheat and allowed to exist with them until the time of harvest. At harvest “the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world” (Matthew 13:40). The tares are revealed as the “wicked” — just as some day Edom shall be called “the border of wickedness” (Malachi 1:4). The Jews are running around like chickens with their heads cut off because some of them realize that “the time of harvest” is approaching.
Edom was a cause of Jacob’s troubles — troubles are called thorns, as they prick, harass, and confine men (Hosea 2:6; 2 Corinthians 12:7). That which produces “thorns and briers is rejected, and is near unto cursing; and whose end is to be burned up” (Hebrews 6:7-8). The Edomite Jews have troubled, pricked and harassed us generation after generation, and are thus destined to be totally burned up.
There are many races which are now on the verge of extinction. Is the world concerned about any of these other races being eliminated from the face of the earth? No, they are not — its concern is concentrated only on the Jew. This is the one people that the world believes must be protected and survive — yet it is the one race God has slated for destruction.
Edom and Babylon
Esau-Edom is much like those who commit “blasphemy” because they “say they are Jews (Judeans, i.e. Israelites) and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan….and do lie” (Revelation 2:9; 3:9). By this Edom can be identified with the corrupt Babylonian beast system which is “full of names of blasphemy” — and by its “sorceries were all nations deceived” (Revelation 17:3; 18:23). Of course, none blaspheme Christ or lie and deceive all people more than the Edomite Jews [see Martin Luther’s book, The Jews and Their Lies.]
Edom’s connection with Babylon started with Esau’s desire to obtain the “valuable garments of Nimrod, with which Nimrod prevailed over the whole land” (Jasher 27:10). Nimrod was the king of Babel or Babylon (Genesis 10:9-10) — and his garments represented his ungodly rule:
Nimrod is the prototype of a rebellious people, his name being interpreted as “he who made all the people rebellious against God.”
—The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. IX, (1905) p, 309, Nimrod was the son of Cush, whose name means “he whose words are dark.”
Esau had killed Nimrod and then “fought a desperate fight” with two of his aides and killed them also. He then “took the valuable garments of Nimrod” and fled from his men (Jasher 27:4-11). This exhausted Esau — and so when he “came from the field, and he was faint” (Genesis 25:29). This is when he sold his birthright to Jacob for pottage which is a fitting consequence of his action.
When he killed Nimrod and took his garments, Esau assumed another birthright — that of Nimrod and his Babylonian rule one which could not coexist with the Abrahamic birthright. Babylon became a symbol for all that is contrary to the will and ways of God. The Tower of Babel was a plan to elevate man above God so as to have a universal rule over the world.
The Script of God reveals many interesting parallels between Red Edom and the Red beast system of Babylon. As indicated, they both have the color identification of red. There are also similarities between their prophecies and judgments — and these need to be examined for the sake of further identifying who and what Esau-Edom is.
The following are some of these parallels:
–Burned and destroyed by fire. In Obadiah 1:18 Esau is devoured by the flame of Jacob. Babylon will also “be utterly burned with fire” (Revelation 18:8).
–Be overthrown like Sodom and Gomorrah: Both Edom (Jeremiah 49:18) and Babylon (Jeremiah 50:40) are to end in destruction “as in the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah.”
–Habitations made desolate: Edom shall have its habitations made “desolate” by “the least of the flock.” (Jeremiah 49:20). This exact same judgment is given for Babylon (Jeremiah 50:45).
–Dominion over, and war against, Israel: As shown, Edom was to gain dominion over, and afflict Israel. The system of Babylon also is to have dominion over God’s people and make war against them (Daniel 7:21-25; Revelation 12:17; 1,3:7; 17:6).
–Has a covert reign over the world: The final stage of rule of Babylon is a “mystery” (Revelation 17:5). Edom is also exalted very “high,” which involves “hidden things” (Obadiah 1:3-6).
–Israel to destroy and be delivered from: Both Edom (Obadiah 1:16-18) and Babylon (Revelation 18:4) are what God’s people need deliverance from. This deliverance comes by God’s people destroying its oppressor (Daniel 7:26-27; Revelation 18:6).
Who is it today that is promoting the Babylonian system? It is those whose religion and way of life is based on the Babylonian Talmud — the Jews.
Jacob’s Deliverance
Obadiah’s prophecy of Jacob stated that his deliverance would be “upon mount Zion.” Here was to be the main stranglehold that the anti-God forces of Red Babylon had upon Jacob. Jeremiah spoke of that period of time as a time of “travail” — and as the “time of Jacob’s Trouble” from which he was promised to be saved and delivered.
These are the words of prophecy concerning Israel and Judah:
For thus says the LORD: I have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask now and see whether a man does travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day, says the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off their neck, and I will tear off their bonds, and strangers shall no longer make them their slaves.
—Jeremiah 30:5-8
Here again we see that a yoke will be upon Jacob — the yoke is bondage and servitude to another race which has a dominion over Jacob. When Esau broke the yoke of Jacob off his neck, he was to gain dominion and place a yoke upon Jacob. It is this yoke of Esau which God has promised to someday break off Jacob’s neck. God prophesied of Israel that He would “break the bars of their yoke and deliver them from the hand of those who enslaved them” (Ezekiel 34:27).
The white peoples today are truly a “slave” to the Edomite Jews who command and control the various areas of government, finance and everyday living which are essential to their liberties.
Let us consider the words of American patriot Patrick Henry:
“. . . tell me when did liberty ever exist when the sword and the purse were given up from the people? unless a miracle shall interpose no nation ever did, nor ever can retain its liberty after the loss of the sword and the purse. . . Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it [public liberty] but downright force and whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined “
Who has control of the “sword and the purse” in Zion (America) or any other white nation? Every nation that has become a willing partner of the Jewish-controlled United Nations has surrendered its military to its edicts. Every nation that has its monetary system dependent on a centralized Jewish-controlled bank has surrendered its “purse” into the hands of the Jews. The people of those nations have lost their liberty and have the “yoke” of Esau-Edom upon them. It will be only by a “miracle” of God that this yoke will be removed and the people delivered.
A further revelation of the process and nature of Jacob’s final deliverance from his enemy Esau is found in the Apocrypha of the Bible:
Then answered I and said, What shall be the parting asunder of the times [ages]? or when shall be the end of the first age, and the beginning of the age that follows? And he [the Lord] said unto me, From Abraham unto Isaac, when Jacob and Esau were born of him, Jacob’s hand held first [or from the beginning] the heel of Esau. For Esau is the end of the world [age], and Jacob is the beginning of it that follows.
—2 Esdras 6:7-1
This recalls to us the event of the birth of Esau and Jacob and the significance of why Jacob held onto Esau’s heel at their birth. Everything in Scripture has a meaning or purpose. The heel represents the end and the hand the beginning of man. Esau’s time was to have an end which would mark the beginning of the time of Jacob. Thus Jacob’s deliverance from the oppression and servitude of Esau can come about only by the end of Esau or his elimination from the world.
A significant aspect of Jacob’s bondage is that the people cannot discern between what is evil and what is not. Our people were once concerned about the corrupting influence of the antichrist Jews in society, but now their lack of concern has brought about Jewish dominion in the land.
Jewish Talmudism owes its existence today to the indifference with which it is regarded…The Jew is prejudiced against the Bible, doing what he can to destroy public honor of the Book.
—The International Jew by Henry Ford, Dearborn Publishers, 1921, Vol. III, p. 16.
The Christians do not see the Jews as the antichrists that they are, but rather as Bible followers and “God’s chosen people.” This condition will change with Jacob’s deliverance:
So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him.
—Malachi 3:18. It is only by knowing the “strong meat” of Scripture that we will be able to “discern both good and evil” (Hebrews 5:14).
It should go without saying that if the white Christian people all knew that the Jew is the wicked one — is not an Israelite — and does not serve God, it would be the end of the Jew, and Christians would be delivered from the Jew’s corrupting influence and yoke of bondage.
They then would do exactly as is foretold in the next verses of Malachi:
For, behold, the day comes that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up, says that Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. And you shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, says the LORD of hosts.”
— Malachi 4:1,3. Also Micah 4:13
This is again a promise of the destruction of the wicked by fire or burning at the hand of Israel. Note that the wicked which is to be burned is regarded as “stubble” — just as Esau was in Obadiah 18. The doctrine of universal salvation is obviously not a biblical doctrine since there is no hope, redemption, or salvation for Esau-Edom, only complete destruction.
[The Fundamentalist preachers are also saying that all of the troubles and afflictions prophesied to happen to Israel are to happen in the future to the Jews. Yet, as we have seen, most of these prophecies have already occurred to the white peoples.]
It needs to be understood that it is the plan of God for Edom to gain dominion and to rise to an exalted position in the world — and finally, at one final act, be brought down and destroyed, never to return again.
Edom is thus much like the rich man in Christ’s parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31).
The yoke and the adversity of the Edomite Jew has been brought upon us (Israel) due to our own actions of transgressions against God.
Likewise, when Solomon had severely violated God’s “covenant” and “statutes,” God had “raised up an adversary to Solomon, Hadad the Edomite” (1 Kings 11:6-14). The form of remedy or deliverance from this state is outlined in Deuteronomy 30:1-4: 2 Chronicles 7:14; and Jeremiah 3:12-13.
God is not only the author of the Script that is being followed in the earth, but is director and producer, and in fact owns the stage and all characters and props on it. As the Psalmist says,
“The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein”
–Psalm 24:1
Yes, all the world is much like a stage — and the stage is now being set for Esau’s destruction and Jacob’s deliverance. It is so written.
I can see Prince William and Prince Harry as Esau and Edom.
Prince Harry is jealous of his brother William and his potential inheritance. Harry and William , to me is like Cain and Able.
This jealously never seemed to be oblivious until Harry married and suddenly, he criticizes his brother William and finds fault with him, and also his family, background and heritage.
And like others in the tribe, or family line, mentioned in the Bible, he goes outside of his tribe or family line to seek a wife and boasts of it and his mixed-race children, with pride, as though he is out to prove something that his brother can’t.
England controls the wealth of the world as its headquarters, so it is possible the capital of the world could be England or as well as Jerusalem. Trump helped things along by giving Jerusalem to the Jews as their capital. So , he is either gullible, or in league with them.
And Harry is of royal blood supposedly and seems to be a competitor or possible competitor to his brother. And I say supposedly, because so many of the world influencers seem to have black or Jewish blood somewhere in their linage. And others have said that family lines are kept track of.
And the Jews look for a red calf or heifer and if red is just a symbolic reference to a possible antichrist, Harry has red hair and jealous of his brother and this world is not any more spiritual then in the past or maybe even less so, that Harry could be proclaimed king of the world by murder , assassination, or overthrow of the monarchy in some future date, or even by national, or financial disasters.
I believe climate change is the New World Orders plans to make us clean up the world for them as they don’t want extra unnecessary people around as they’ll want a simple a civilization as possible and no need for coal mining, oil drilling, manufacturing of certain kinds or to worry about being overthrown, by disgruntled exess population. The Jews brag that they will each have 2800 slaves. So a lot of the world’ population has to be gotten rid of.
We’ll see.
Great analysis. Yes, William and Kate are the traditional Brits and Harry represents his connection via his former actress wife to Hollywood, jews and the DIE (Diversity Inclusion Equity) agenda which will show how equity is really achieved when “we all bleed red”
The purpose of incarnation is the evolution of consciousness. This can only happen at the backdrop of the fight between good and evil. If evil was allowed to win, it would be the end of the growth of consciousness. By the Laws of the Universe, this can not happen. Hence, I do not need Bible verses to know what fate to expect for those that chose the path of evil, after they served God as a dirty instrument of punishment on those corruptible and worthless. Those will be decimated and slashed, first.
I have to wonder if Edom is so important, why is it not mentioned in the entire New Testament, including the Revelation, except Mark 3:8, which clearly states that people from Edom/Idumea came to hear Jesus speak?
The fact that people came from Edom/Idumea to hear Jesus suggests at least two things: one, that Edomites were not as fully integrated into Judean society as many believed – they were still confined to the southern part of Judea.
And two, certain Edomites heard the voice of Jesus and followed Him.
If Edom is so important to the Beast System, why is it not specifically mentioned in Revelation? To say that Revelation 2:9/3:9 refers to Edomites is a stretch because they are not mentioned by name at all. Why not?
Ronald …………………
What is your interpretation of Revelation 2:9/3:9?
Would you agree with — “…those who say they are of Judah, but are not …….”
Would you agree with this translation?
CFT, It would be good to have this series of articles combined in PDF for download from your library.
Wait, so now you guys actually DO think the jews are modern day esau edom?
You seemed to be overcomplicating things in a previous article
Todd,
Here is what we wrote in the first article in this series on “Who Is Esau-Edom?”:
“Whether nor not the Jews are the literal [blood] descendants of this Edomite tribe is debatable — however, what is clear, as Weiseman makes the case, is that today’s Jews fit all the spiritual and supernatural characteristics of Esau-Edom — as the eternal antagonists of the Israelite people.”
https://christiansfortruth.com/who-is-esau-edom-talmudic-jews-vs-christian-israelites/
Like you I’ve been pouring over a ton of historical and biblical material. Forgive me if I do not remember your arguments or positions exactly but I do recall you guys crapping all over the idea of two-seedline and going as far as using well known corrupted verses in scripture to back it up.
I get trying to seem “fair and balanced” but what are we, a leftist news agency?
Talking about historical events that happened up to 6000 years ago often involves making educated guesses that involve drawing from a number of sources many of which have arrived incomplete into the hands of modern man. Your repeated accusations that people are “begging the question” are unrealistic.
“Archaeology can in no sense be termed an exact science, that is to say, its conclusions rarely follow with mathematical certainty from its premises, and indeed but too frequently they do not rise above the level of mere nebulous possibilities or probabilities.” – Journal of Egyptian Archaeology, 1922, No. 8
You or one of your commenters (whom you did not correct) suggested that people were contradicting themselves by saying that the jews descend both from the Canaanites AND Edom/Esau. As if we have to choose one or the other when dealing with an adversary whos number one tactic is weaponized race mixing followed by name changes to obscure the origins.
It isnt one or the other, its both. A drop of satanic blood makes a child of satan. It’s like saying “so is Jussie Smollett a lying black guy or a lying jew?? he cant be both. make up your mind!”
Jussie Smollett is a black jew. The jews have infiltrated and mixed into all groups. This is jewish question 101, so why all of a sudden you guys are acting like this isnt a factor when you discuss biblical history is absolutely beyond me.
What a great service to jewry it is to go around saying “Who do you blame, the jews or the khazars or the edomites or the canaanites???” as if these were all mutually exclusive with no overlap.
Why help obscure the enemy? is this some misguided attempt to seem fair balanced and irrefutable? This obsession with being able to find a historical author who wrote something you can look up in a book and quote directly and labeling every thing else as “Begging the question” is low hanging fruit at its finest, gentlemen.
Perhaps we have a misunderstanding? alas, you will probably censor this post.
Todd ……………….
We had this discussion 2 years ago. I do not see your “name” in the comment section, but perhaps you used a different name back then. ???
https://christiansfortruth.com/what-really-happened-between-eve-and-the-serpent-in-the-garden-of-eden/
https://christiansfortruth.com/what-really-happened-between-eve-and-the-serpent-in-the-garden-of-eden-part-2/
190 Comments between the two articles.
I’d be interested in your “defense” or rebuttals from any of the comments in either article.
Hope you do.
Interesting hypothesis, in the past you said that all people that have even 1 drop of jewish blood are jewish, does that mean that mixed populations like mestizos, arabs and so on will also face the wrath of God?
If we take Mexicans for example they are a populations that, despite having sephardi jewish ancestors, are extremely Christian, they fought the Cristero wars against the atheist policies imposed by their government and thousands of them died because they refused to renounce their faith in Jesus Christ, their actions spoke louder than their mixed ancestries in my opinion, same for those persecuted Chaldean Christians in the middle-east.
Kirk, where did we ever say that people with “even one drop of jewish blood are jewish”? Maybe that idea might have been posited by some of the commenters, but we are not aware of ever promoting such an idea in our writings. We have promoted the idea that “jewishness” or “jewish identity” is a nebulous concept that even Jews themselves cannot clearly define.
We also do not agree with you that Mexicans, generally, are “extremely Christian”. The type of adulterated Christianity they practice is a hodge podge of Catholicism and native Indian superstitions and rituals. If real Christianity were dependent upon Mexicans to survive, it would disappear from the face of the earth.
You said that people who have even a small amount of non-white admixture are not white, for example you said this about Justin Trudeau because he had an Asian ancestor from 1700.
You said they are “mamzers” and ,citing the Bible, they won’t be allowed into the assembly of the Lord even after the tenth generation.
So I presumed that you considered the people who have jewish ancestry whether ancient or recent as jews like this article of yours said:
https://christiansfortruth.com/genetic-study-confirms-hispanics-in-new-mexico-and-colorado-share-jewish-sephardic-dna/
Regardless of your objection to the Faith of Mexican people, the fact remains that thousands of them chose torture and death instead of renouncing their faith same as what Christians in some parts of Africa and the Middle-east go through every day, plus if the Mexican Faith is mixed with their folklore then what do you have to say regarding the Maronites, the Chaldeans, the Armenian, the Georgians? they all practice forms of Christianity that are “cleaner” from folklore than your average European Church and also way more ancient.
For example Armenia was totally Christian when Scandinavia and Germany were still worshipping trees.
Kirk said “Armenia was totally Christian when Scandinavia and Germany were still worshipping trees.”
I guess you aren’t aware that Armenia and ancient Anatolia used to be inhabited by white people, and those white people were among the first Christians. Today’s Armenians are mixed with arab peoples, not the same as those who lived there at the time of Christ.
You have no proof that Armenians were once white, every single source during their 4000 years long history shows that they are almost unchanged and considering that they almost never marry outside their race it’s kinda difficult under these circumstances to become mixed.
This is extremely common on this website, you appropriate other people’s history claiming they were once white and then say that all their misfortunes started when they became mixed, all while posting no source and pretending that people believe you on your word.
If that was the case same as you claim with Egyptians, Levantines and Anatolians then why did God decide to convert these people if they were going to be extinct?
No proof? Anatolia was the seat of ancient Troy. You are claiming that the Trojans were not white? Are you serious? Anatolia was the seat of the Byzantine Empire, the western Roman Empire. You’re claiming that they weren’t white?
Do you lack common sense? Show us the “experts” who claim the Trojans and Byzantines were mixed race or arabs.
The arabs overran Anatolia starting in about 700 AD, and by 1400 the Byzantine Empire had fallen to them. That is how Anatolia became arab. The whole point of the Crusades was to retake the Levant from the arab infidels, or did you just forget that part of history? Even at the time of the Crusades, there were a lot of white people still living in the Levant. Read more.
Read your Bible. God gave up Egypt and Cush (Ethiopia) to another people “for ransom” of the Israelites:
“For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.” (Isaiah 43:3)
Where in the Bible does it say that God converted these people to Christianity? Do you claim that God converted the Khazars to Judaism and they became real Judahites as they claim? Come on.
Today all western white nations are being overrun by the Third World, just as in ancient times.
In a couple hundred years, if it continues, people like Kirk will be claiming that those western nations were never white to begin with.
History will again be rewritten to reinforce this fake narrative.
The white race must never know their true history, and non-whites must be elevated to believe that they are the original builders of the great civilizations of history.
It’s only natural that the non-white peoples would adopt the Christian religion of their conquerors.
It’s happened throughout history, but that doesn’t make it right, nor it is proof of God’s intent.
beryl …………..
Just wanted to say “thank you” for your wisdom and knowledge and love of the truth. Thank you.
Kirk ……………….
You wrote — “…why did God decide to convert these people….”
Did you hear what you just said?
When you first came here, I thought you were serious. But now I’m thinking you are just trying to cause division and offense.
If you actually are serious, go back and re-read what you just wrote. How in the world would ANYONE know whether or not God truly converted a person??? That’s just crazy.
We may know someone by their “outward” appearance or actions — but we don’t truly know their heart, unless we know them personally. Just because a person gets “martyred” for their belief isn’t necessarily proof of their inward regeneration.
Again …………………….. why don’t you ask the real question that you want answered???
See my other comment — https://christiansfortruth.com/who-is-esau-edom-the-final-exit-of-jewry-from-the-worlds-stage/#comment-149315
This is a conversation worthy of debate. I’m very, very curious your defense. It is what I used to believe for over 20 + years. But now I have come to a different understanding.
What is curious for me, is that I didn’t know “why” I believe it. I believed it because my peers believed it and my church taught it but they never explained “why”.
So, I am always curious to know why someone believes in Universalism because it was never taught to me.
If you are a serious person — I’d enjoy hearing your story.
If you can defend Universalism Scripturally, then all the other discussions you are having is a mute point.
Ps…..how many Americans, who went off to fight those evil knotsees, thought of themselves as “christian” defending Christian values??? I’ll venture to guess many of them, although believing themselves to be “saved” never knew the True God of the Scriptures. My own dad being one of them. At least in my dad’s defense, he signed up as a Conscientious Objector so was not put on the front lines. But his life after ww2 proved that he did not know the God of the Israelites. But everyone who knew him would have said of him that he was a good christian man.
Hinterlander ……………
Excellent point/observation.
Ironically, I asked my judeo-christian universalist brother if blacks living in Ireland were “Irish”. He actually paused for a good 30 seconds. Then admitted that they would not be. But he thought about it! And he probably believed it until I pressed him on it.
It’s a knee jerk reaction for all of these judeos to believe Moses married a black woman. Or that Hagar was an “Arab” when arabs hadn’t even existed at that time in history. It’s Supernatural. I was very stubborn to realize that this is not an Intelligence game. Intelligence only goes so far in Spiritual matters.
Kirk ………………………
I believe the real question you are asking is better asked here —
https://christiansfortruth.com/how-the-phrase-all-men-has-been-misused-to-promote-false-universalism-in-the-bible/
Read the article and then make your challenge.
“Is there Eternal Life for non-white peoples who claim they believe and follow Jesus Christ?”
Is this not your ultimate question?
Kirk,
You are conflating two different issues. You’re claiming that having “one drop” of Jewish blood makes you Jewish is the same thing as having “one drop” of non-white blood not making you white. Totally different ideas.
As we said, we don’t know what makes people “Jewish” per se. The vast majority of Jews know they have Jewish ancestry. In the case of Latinos, it’s different because many of the whites in their distant past were crypto or converso Jews who did not identify as Jews in public at least.
As far as whites go, we believe you’re either Adamic or you’re not. And we believe the Bible proscribes race mixing. You cannot serve two masters. Mixed race people almost always identify with the non-white, non-Adamic side of their family. Paul did not write any of his epistles to non-white peoples. Why not?
God set down the rules, and He decides who will be saved. We don’t presume to know His mind, but we do know what the Bible says. Who gets saved is completely up to Him, and we must simply live by what we believe is written in the Bible, and leave the rest to God.
Jews claim that to be a “real” or “halachic” Jew, your mother must be a racial Jew. Do you have a problem with this?
Beryl your comment and all the other miriad of comments I got here just keep proving more and more right.
Jus a bunch of endless inaccuracies after others:
“The arabs overran Anatolia starting in about 700 AD, and by 1400 the Byzantine Empire had fallen to them. That is how Anatolia became arab.”
Completely false, everybody know that turks are almost the same as ancient anatolians but with a little bit of asian dna and no arab whatsoever.
“Even at the time of the Crusades, there were a lot of white people still living in the Levant.”
Proofs? Sources? oh wait there is absolutely none plus if back then with no birth control all populations were growing then if the levant was mostly White then in nno way would have whites ceased to exist so quickly and un-noticed.
“Read your Bible. God gave up Egypt and Cush (Ethiopia) to another people “for ransom” of the Israelites:
“For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.” (Isaiah 43:3)”
You are the one who should read his bible, This part has a complete different meaning from what you are trying to say:
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/isaiah-43-3.html
It has absolutely no racial connotation.
If what you said about races was true then a simple DNA test would prove you right but spoiler DNA disagrees with you, also the Crusades were not about race or the Crusaders wouldn’t have converted as many non-Whites to Christianity as they could.
I tell you this, I am gonna stop if you post some links, some sources or whatever you want that proves me wrong on these points I made, some scientific study even if its long, prove me wrong and I am gonna apologize to you all and leave.
Kirk, of course you simply ignored my comment about the Trojans and the Byzantines being white, which just completely contradicts your argument.
Muslim conquest of the Levant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant
DNA Study Finds Early Inhabitants of Israel Were Blue-Eyed and Fair-Skinned:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/
Geneticists Discover Adam’s Original White Skin Gene — Traced Back To One Man In Middle East About 10,000 Years Ago:
https://www.futurity.org/light-skin-mutation-stems-one-ancestor/
https://academic.oup.com/g3journal/article/3/11/2059/6025736
BBC Documentary Reveals King Tut’s Great-Grandmother Tjuyu Had Blonde Hair:
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/tjuyu-0012150
Pyramids Of The Ancient Aryan Kingdom Of Kush — Ethiopia And Sudan:
https://christiansfortruth.com/pyramids-of-the-ancient-aryan-kingdom-of-kush-ethiopia-and-sudan/
King Tut’s DNA Is Western European
https://www.amren.com/news/2010/07/king_tuts_dna_i/
First Phoenician DNA is European
https://barnesreview.org/first-phoenician-dna-is-european/
Pope Urban II’s 1095 Speech Reveals That Christian Crusaders Were Engaged in a Race War
https://christiansfortruth.com/pope-urban-iis-1095-speech-reveals-that-the-crusaders-were-engaged-in-a-race-war/
DNA Study Shows Ancient Anatolians Closely Related To Greeks, Romans and Persians:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2010230
Quote:
“By integrating the genetic data with historical and archaeological information, we were able to attest in Sagalassos [region of Anatolia] a significant maternal genetic signature of Balkan/Greek populations, as well as ancient Persians and populations from the Italian peninsula. Some contribution from the Levant has been also detected, whereas no contribution from Central Asian population could be ascertained.”
KIRK …………….
What’s your POINT?!!!
Are you trying to prove Universalism?
Make your point. Grow a pair.
CFT just handed this guy kirk an open door for his jewish universalist argument.
Both CFT and Kirk are wrong here.
“We never said one drop of jewish blood makes a jew! maybe a commenter did”
well, you should have. because that is the only biblically correct position on the matter.
“even jews themselves cannot clearly define”
Nonsense, CFT. Pure nonsense. The jews know exactly who they are and where they come from. Satans children and bloodline.
We don’t censor people for attempting to defend universalism here. As long as they are willing to defend their position with evidence, but none of them can, and so they quickly give up and go away.
It’s also helpful to our regular readers to keep sharp in arguing against universalism. CFT is not an echo chamber, nor do we insist that everyone believe the same thing, but we do expect them to be able to defend their doctrines.
And, Todd, we know two seedline doctrine better than you do as we used to ascribe to it, so whatever position we take on it is from an informed point of view, not blind obedience.
Just as I suspected CFT. Cowards and bad actors. For a “blindly obedient” person, it sure didnt take me long to spot you hooknoses, did it???
Todd,
You showed up here all full of yourself, and then repeatedly questioned our integrity because we don’t ascribe to your pet “satan’s seedline” doctrine, calling us “shills”.
You were challenged to go back to all the articles written on the subject addressing that doctrine, along with the hundreds comments, and show where we were wrong. But you refused to do so, just as everyone who believes that doctrine cannot show where we are wrong.
Because you refused to honestly address the evidence, you would rather cast doubt on our honesty, when it’s your own dishonesty, arrogance, and laziness that has been demonstrated.
We don’t pretend to be anything but what we are — which is Christians who adhere to what the Bible actually says, not what we want it to say, or what we think it should say, or what someone else convinced us that it says.
if you want to have a go at someone todd that deserves it is tru news and rick wiles they slander hitler deny he was a christian and demands gab censor those who admire hitler and those that post the truth about him , rick wiles and tru news portray hitler negatively during the covid scamdemic using term needle nazi a pic of hitler with covid vaccines as swastika its not the only time tru news being negative about hitler i have heard tru news attacks removes pro hitler comments and when you confront them they respond with bs , i confronted tru news on why they had gay jewish sodomite milo on tru news i also tweeted them a video where milo seems to be fine with peadophilia tru news said oh thats a 5 year old video they were defending milo what i found insulting is that they made milo acting presenter while rick wiles pretended to have covid , they had fake christian lauren witzke on who worked for mexican drug cartels , by my observation tru news has had people on who are questionable and as a person who i consider myself a christian i would not have such people on .Tru news does not report on the jewish anti white kalergi plan , they push the official holocaust narrative while cft posts the truth about the holofraud , cft posts abut the jewsh leading role regarding covid compare that to tru news who does not but pushes the china virus lab leak narrative blaming china but not the jews , tru news called orthodo jews bretheren , tru news has been selling a fauci elf doll ,rick wiles promotes his own book thats falsehood he shamed people on tru news reading out pro hitler comments , tru news bends the truth to suit their narrative they withhold the truth , tru news pid a covid fine of a jewish synagogue using funds donated by christians that is so so wrong and a betrayal to christians , cft covers subjects that tru news does not cover , cft goes way further than many websites i have visited , cft is the only website so far that covers who the true israelites are . when i ran a group on facebook people were allowed to give their opinion and to spark debate on issues discussed it encouraged people to do their own research and not rely on the msm , i also ran a war crimes group highlighting crimes against humanity , i have found if you talk from the heart of your emotions to get through to people it does work sometimes anyway thats enough
and are the fields White and ready to harvest….
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world;
and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of
his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Volume-7–2022-DragonSlayer.html?soid=1136235001157&aid=tSBGNEhvwf4
…………..and He shall reign for ever and ever.
“Timeline Of The Jewish Genocide Of The British People”
https://cigpapers.blog/2015/02/02/timeline-of-the-jewish-genocide-of-the-british-people/
Perhaps that is the reason that Jewry has, and is so intently, pushing the jew’s in all countries to administer the Kalergi genocidal workings against all White people for so long a time..
“Director of Social Media at Sweden’s Bonnier Publishing Says Sweden and Europe Is Too White”
https://majorityrights.com/weblog/news_comments/director_of_social_media_at_swedens_bonnier_publishing_says_sweden_and_euro
They invented the getaway car.
And thus the jews ever trying to hopelessly escape God’s wrath with endless attempts at leaving this world into space, “other” dimensions, time or realms as they put it.
Endlessly rebelling against INEVITABILITY.
To their utter destruction.
Thank God.
Space jews….
Actually funny if you think about it. A literal virus launched into space bound to cause destruction and gayness whereever it lands.
Considering Willie Shatner’s old man was a signer of the original
Israeli constitution.
As jew Spock said “Live long and steal everything”.