Here we continue with another chapter from Charles A. Wiseman’s book Is Universalism Of God? — this time his chapter on “racial exclusiveness” in the Bible.
Even some universalists will begrudgingly admit that in the Old Testament, God most certainly favored only one people — those 12 tribes who came forth from the seed of Jacob-Israel.
However, in a bizarre twist in logic, those same universalists will turn around and claim that God changed his mind when “the Jews” rejected Christ. Apparently, this so surprised and upset God that He decided to “chose” or reward anyone merely for believing in his Son, Jesus Christ.
This theory or dispensational doctrine hinges on John 1:11, which most “judeo-Christian” universalists have memorized:
“He came unto his own, but his own received him not.”
John 1:11
But their ministers never read the verse that follows — John 1:12 — which clearly states many Israelites did, in fact, receive and accept Jesus Christ:
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 1-12
Why would God change his eternal promises to Israel just because some — a small minority — of Israelites in Judea rejected His son as the promised messiah?
This universalist doctrine also completely ignores the fact that the vast majority of Israelites were not even in Judea at that time — they had lived dispersed among the nations after the Assyrian captivity — and, over many centuries — 700 years — most of them had lost their identity as Israelites — just as the prophets predicted they would.
But did God’s racial exclusiveness toward Israel carry over into the New Testament? Did God really change His mind about with whom He would have an everlasting covenant — and what people therefore are even eligible to be redeemed by Christ? [To redeem something, it must have previously been your possession — therefore, redemption can be applied only to Israel.]
These are some of the questions that Charles Weisman addresses here:
Racial Exclusiveness in the Bible
There is a major theme or concept within the Bible which most fear to think about. Some ignore this concept, others deny it, and many even hate it and will adamantly argue against it since it conflicts with their indoctrination or personal beliefs. This major theme of the Bible is God’s exclusive dealing with a certain people or racial group.
Some will acknowledge the concept of a “chosen people” only because they erroneously think that Israel rejected Christ — and so God has turned and “adopted” them — [despite] being non-Israelites — as His people. But if God was — and remains today — racially exclusive, then the main core of the theology of Universalism is groundless.
From the very beginning of history God had stated that He was mainly interested in one specific lineage of people — and would be a God only to them and their descendants [posterity] and not to any other people. The beginning of the Bible lays the foundation for many of the themes, concepts and principles that follow, including its racial exclusiveness and the non-universal nature of God.
The beginning (Genesis) states these postulates in regard to God’s relationship to a specific seed, bloodline, or “race” of people.
These verses and many more tell us that God was going to have certain dealings with a specific people. He would multiply them, have a covenantal relationship with them, bestow material blessings upon them, give them land, protect and deliver them from harm, love them, and be their God.
The reason [for this relationship] is not because these people were good, great or godly, not because they would accept Jesus in their heart, not because they were religious, but because they were of a particular seedline, a certain heritage or race. It is apparent that one’s lineage is very important to God. One might even say God has an obsession with genetics and genealogy, or that He is racially minded.
Gen. 9:9 — And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you [Noah], and with your seed after you.
Gen. l2:7 — And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land.
Gen. 13:16 — And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth.
Gen.17:7 — And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen. 21:12 — For in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Gen. 22:17 — And thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies.
Gen 35:11 — And God said unto him [Jacob], I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins.
Gen. 26:4 — And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven.
Gen. 28:14 — And in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
Gen. 45:7 — And God sent me [Joseph] before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance.
Gen. 48:4 — I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.
If someone wanted to know if [the God of the Bible] would bless them, deliver them, or be their God, they would have to answer the question, “What is your genealogy?” This is important because God never said He would do these things for any people or racial group other than Israel. That God’s relationship, blessings and promises would follow a particular seedline is a hard pill for many to swallow. But this theme of God’s racial exclusiveness continues on throughout the entire Bible.
The chosen seedline is known as [the twelve tribes of] Israel — or the Israelites — and they are the only people that are God’s people:
Deut 4:37 — And because he loved your [Israel’s] fathers, therefore he chose their seed after them.
Deut 7:6 — For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God has chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth (and Deut. 14:2).
Deut 10:15 — The LORD delighted only in thy fathers, to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
Deut 32:9 – For the LORD’s portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
Num. 6:27 — And they shall put my [God’s] name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
2 Sam. 7:23 — And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself.
I Chron. 16:13 — O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones (and Psa. 105:6-10).
Psa. 78:5 — For he [the LORD] established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children.
Psa. 135:4 — For the LORD has chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Psa. 147:19-20 — He shows His word unto Jacob, His statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He has not dealt so with any nation.
Isa. 41:8 — But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
Isa. 44:1 — Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen.
Isa. 45:25 — In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Isa. 65:9,23 — And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there….For they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Jer, 31:1 — At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
Amos 3:2 — You only [Israel] have I known of all the families [races] of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
The God of the Bible did not love, know, choose, elect, or have any dealings, covenants or inter-relationships with any other racial group on the planet like He did with Israel. The phrase, “God of Israel” is used 200 times in the Bible, but we never see God’s named attached to any other people.
He is never called the God of the Hittites, Amorites, Philistines, Canaanites, Edomites, or Midianites. Likewise, the God of the Bible is not the God of the Chinese, Japanese, Africans, Eskimos, Polynesians, Indians, Cubans, Mexicans, Hindus, Arabs, or Egyptians. Why? Because they are not Israelites. An Amorite or Canaanite could not claim to be the chosen of God and receive His blessings merely because they chose to recognize and obey Him. God chooses on His own who will be His people. It is not strictly a personal choice.
The concept of a chosen people continues with the New Testament. God still has an “elect, whom he has chosen” (Mark 13:20), and gathers together (Matthew 24:31). Christ told His followers that He has chosen them, not vice versa:
“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”
Johan 15:16
Paul proclaims in Ephesians 1:4,5 that God “has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.” Those who would be God’s people and Christians were predestined by God before they were ever born (Romans 8:29,30). Those “that are with him [Christ] are called, and chosen, and faithful” (Rev. 17:14). Who are these “chosen” and “elect” of Christ? They are of Israel.
[Many verses from] the New Testament reveal that it was indeed written about this particular seedline:
Luke 1:68 — Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people.
Matt. 1:21 — And thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Luke 1:54-55 — He [God] has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
Matt 2:6 — For out of [Bethlehem] shall come a Governor, [Jesus] that shall rule my people lsrael.
Matt 15:24 — I [Jesus] am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
John 1:49 — Thou [Jesus] art the King of Israel.
Acts 13:17 — The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers.
Acts 26:6-7 — The hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers: Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come.
Christians say they are “adopted as sons” and are “New Covenant Christians” [merely] because they believe [“in Jesus”]. Paul clearly states that those who are God’s people — and to whom pertains the adoption and the covenants — are “Israelites according to the flesh” (Romans 9:3-4). Peter in writing to the dispersion of Israel states,
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
(1 Peter 2:9)
Christians think that they are chosen because they believe, but cannot point to one verse that states such an idea. Christ states that those whom God has chosen are the ones who believe (John 6:44,65). The New Covenant was not the end of God dealing with a particular seed, since that Covenant was with a particular seed — Israelites:
“For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:”
Hebrews 8:8
God did not make a New Covenant with a line of “spiritual Israel,” but rather a physical seed, [a fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:31]:
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah”
People can choose whether or not they will serve and worship the God of the Bible — or follow His laws — but they do not choose to make Him their God by doing so. They cannot force God to choose them, or to change His plans, or make them a part of a covenant, or become a “seed” of Abraham.
In every religion that has ever existed, they all have one thing in common — and that is that the people pick or choose the god they will have. But with the Bible and Christianity, God chooses the people He will have, and rejects others, even though they have acknowledged Him — and claimed to “believe in him”:
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
Matthew 7-21-23
God will love some and hate others just based on who they are — not on what they have done:
“As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy”
Romans 9:13-15
To the humanistic mind this is a horrible and outrageous concept. But those who deny the concept of racial exclusiveness in the Bible are either very ignorant [or corrupted by racial egalitarians of the modern world]. This clearly is an issue which divides the believers from the deceivers of God’s word.
How do the universalists, humanists and egalitarians get around this blatant fact of Scripture? They simply find some verses that are worded in a general sense, without specifying the Israel people, and will then say, “See, anyone can be God’s people. ” As for all the verses that do specify the exclusiveness of Israel they are either ignored, or it is said that they are nullified by the general statements. This desperate and illogical reasoning is the basis for much of their “Christianity.”
Since most [judeo-Christian universalists] want to get around God’s racial exclusiveness, they have to create a universal God who either breaks His word or arbitrarily changes His mind. Some Christians will even assert that God never chose Israel on the basis of race, but Scripture continually shows that He did. It shows that God loved a certain racial lineage (Deuteronomy 7:8;10:15; Jer. 31:3).
Since racial exclusiveness in terms of who are God’s people is a major theme of the Bible, those who deny this fact — or argue against it — must fabricate and substitute their own doctrines, or misinterpret Scripture to fit their [egalitarian] humanistic theology.
Attention Ryan ………………………….
Let’s shift the debate back to discussing Scripture.
I welcome you to read this article and provide a rebuttal in the comment section. https://christiansfortruth.com/racial-exclusivity-in-the-bible-in-both-old-and-new-testaments/
I would also encourage you to read this pamphlet — https://christiansfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Not-Of-One-Blood.pdf
I am confused, are you saying I will not go to Heaven, nor be saved by accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior? Are we not all from Adam, and all from Noah? If the Bible is true, then we must all have been from Adam and Noah (after the flood), no? I would like to dive deeper, I am a believer and want to know my bloodline and whether I will find salvation, according to your arguments on this website, thank you.
The Bear …………………….
You wrote — You can be black, white, yellow, green blue, red, for all it matters.
Bear — I have copied and pasted your comment to the appropriate article ABOVE.
Please read and study the article and then CHALLENGE the article.
Thank you.
Universalist Christians always ignore the plain words of Act 16:6….
“Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia.”
Asians were not to receive the Gospel, yet Christians ignore this command. Why? Astonishing how they have created their own “gospel” of universalism which coincides with all Marxist edicts. Marxism, the universal brotherhood of Man, is pure Satanism.
What is your take on preterism?
Jesus was considered heretical to Jews when he explained that Gentiles are welcome to Gods grace and his kingdom.
He also pointed out that the Pharisee blaspheme God when they twist and manipulate his word to suit their own agenda.
Yes, but what is the true identity of the “gentiles”?
Most judeo-Christians wrongly think a “gentile” is any “non-Jew”, a completely false definition.
“Gentile” is translated from the Greek word “ethnos”, which means “nations”, not “non-Jew”.
At the time of Christ, the word “Jew” meant Israelites only from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin.
Therefore, a “non-Jew” in this context could mean any Israelite from the other ten northern tribes of Israel.
The term “gentile” can also refer to those ten tribes of Israel.
The term “gentile” can also refer to non-Israelites from the original Genesis 10 nations, such as Javan (some Greeks) and Kittim (some Romans).
All these nuances of the language must be taken into account when making any claims about any verses of Scripture.
It’s never cut and dry, black and white, with the language differences.
Context is everything with Scripture, and false equivalencies are rampant when Christians often misuse these terms: Jew and Gentile
In John 7:35, the Pharisees fear that Jesus will go to find “dispersed” Israelites living among the “gentiles” and preach to them:
“Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
Why would Jesus go to the dispersed Israelites for the purpose of teaching the “gentiles”? Christ did not come to preach the gospel to non-Israelites. Clearly the Pharisees fear that Christ will do something that He had no intention of doing.
“judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron because Jews fundamentally reject Christ.
The only people I’ve ever heard argue the word gentile does not mean “non Jew” are Jews trying to disarm their detractors exposing them.
Further, this whole chosen people reads very Similar to the Talmud scriptures where the Jewish people have selected themselves as gods amongst the gentile (goyim) heathen.
Truthbearer, “The only people I’ve ever heard argue the word gentile does not mean “non Jew” are Jews trying to disarm their detractors exposing them.”
That’s because you must have spent a lot of time around brainwashed Christians who have taken all the Jewish lies about themselves to heart. All mainstream denominational Christians, under the Jewish spell, believe that “gentile” means non-Jew.
There are millions of non-denominational Christians who are hip to this deception, but you don’t happen to be one of them.
As you can see, the original meaning of “gentile” comes from the Latin “gentilis” and has nothing specifically to do with Jews or non-Jews. Gentilis means “of or belonging to the same people or nation”, which is what “ethnos” means in Greek. It later changed meanings to connote “non-Jew”, which was caused by bad Bible translations.
Gentile:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentile
BTW, Jews promote the “non-Jew” definition of “gentile” because it reenforces the lie that they are Israelites and we “non-Jews” are “Edom” and “Amalek”. And you’ve bought into that lie.
The Jews publicly claim that gentiles are Edomites, while privately admitting that they are not Israelites?
If the Jews seemingly believe that they are not Edom, and admit that they are not Israelites then what do they believe themselves to be, with regard to the Bible?
When Jerome used “gentilis” for his translation of the Latin Vulgate, he meant it to mean “of or belonging to the same people or nation”, the equivalent of the Greek “ethnos”, not “non-Jews”. The non-Jew meaning of Gentile came later deceptively inserted by the judaized universalists.
Truthbearer,
Since you ignored my question in a different article/post, I will ask it again here. I think it is important that you be as transparent as possible. You do realize your “beliefs” are almost completely contrary to the THEME of this website?
Question — Do you believe the 4 primary people groups (White, yellow, black and red) all come from Adam and Eve?
Most of here believe in “Pre-Adamites”. https://christiansfortruth.com/pre-adamics-in-genesis-adam-was-not-the-first-man/
What is your belief as to the origin of the non-white peoples?
Do you believe in the “Tower of Babel” theory? Or something else.
You speak with confidence, but you ignore serious questions and I’m not sure exactly why you even come here in the first place — and second, why you are allowed to continue to promote your beliefs at the same time ignore challenges to your belief system.
You comment in the comment section of an article that basically proves you wrong — but yet you never bother to comment on the article itself.
It’s weird to me. Are you bored? Do you feel it is your mission to correct CFT?
No
“But what is the true identity of the “gentiles”?
We are all in the category of “Gentiles” Those who call themselves “Jews” are pretenders. Judaism got totally diluted by the gentile from the time of exile.
(1) Babylonians converted into Judaism. “Of the country’s population many became Jews, since now the Jews were feared.” Esther 8:15-17.
(2) Edomites gentiles converted into Judaism :Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.”( Flavius Josephus “The Antiquity of the Jews Chapter 9 How, After The Death Of Antiochus, Hyrcanus Made An Expedition Against Syria, And Made A League With The Romans. Concerning The Death Of King Demetrius And Alexander)
(3) Kharzar gentiles converts into Judaism:-“In Khazaria, perched precariously on the trackless steppe extending between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, Jewish merchants and refugees from the persecution of Byzantine Empire managed to convert the King, many of his nobles and a considerable portion of the nomadic, Khazarian population..” (The Meaning of Jewish History, Jacob Bernard Agus pg 237)
(4) “The main part of Jewry never was in Judea and had never come out of Judea”. (Outline Of History, By H. G. Wells)
So, anybody who follows Judaism today, belong to those the Lord referred to as “Blind leading the blind”
Interesting read. It always fascinates me to see Josephus on the bookstore shelves, next to (((Dennis Prager))) books. I wonder how Josephus can seem to sell well yet not be read.
How do we know that the khazars were gentiles?
Judging by their so-far failed efforts in South Korea, which reportedly has more students of the Talmud than Israel, but little (((shapeshifting))), conversion of the Khazars must have come not from proselytizing alone but also from interbreeding/(((shapeshifting))).
The khazars being non-gentiles at that time could explain how today’s Jew, no matter how “white” he appears, is supposedly genetically distinct from the gentile, yet is genetically identical with the Arab.
Other Peoples must be taught about God and His commandments, but it is necessary to keep in mind that God’s covenant is with the Israelites only.
Other peoples can be saved if they practice Christianity, but they must do it on their territory, just because they are converted doesn’t mean we should forget about segregation and mix with them.
We see in the Bible that some Amorites and Kenites accepted the God of Israel and began to follow His commandments, but the Israelites determined that they should live in segregation, and they accepted and were grateful.
This is the lesson of the verse where Jesus calls the Canaanite woman a dog, because she wanted to pass in front of God’s chosen people and receive what was theirs, Jesus ignored her and only answered her request when she recognized that other people should recognize that God’s grace is for the Israelite people, and what the Israelite people give to other peoples (crumbs) is what will make these other peoples closer to God.
This must be the work of the Israelites (us): To teach Christianity to all peoples. AND WE’VE DONE IT, we’ve done what we’re told.
We teach morality, faith and civility to savages from the Amazonian forests to the islands of the pacific, those who accepted received graces, those who did not accept continued living in savagery, cannibalizing each other and in the end they will be left out of paradise like dogs ( according to the word in the book of revelations)
Haven’t recent articles here explained that we are not supposed to be teaching Christianity to the savages of the Amazon and elsewhere?
As many a missionary has found out, too often as they were throwing him into the cooking pot, that’s casting pearls before swine.
I’ve encountered some fairly conservative Christians who have been witnessing in Africa for generations and they acknowledge that their efforts over there have been like plowing the ocean. They use the experience to witness to Americans that no money or effort will ever bring blacks up to our level, breaking Americans’ (((programming))) to the controversy.
What do you guys think of Isaiah 19:25: Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance. Does He include Egypt and Assyria because they were originally Adamic peoples?
Yes, that’s exactly it. And God also said that gave up both Egypt and Ethiopia for the Israelite people:
“For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life. Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth.”
(Isaiah 43:3-6)
What’s the proof that God “gave up” Egypt, Ethiopia, and Seba (another Cushite people)? They are no longer white Adamic peoples today.
“and to the South, Keep not back.”
Israel has not given up on finding the lost tribes. Those lost tribes are scattered in Africa.
“In sub-Saharan Africa, you can find ‘Judaic’ tribes in Ghana, Nigeria, Mali, Uganda, Cameroon, South Africa, Zimbabwe and even in Sao Tome and other countries. There are many of them,” Bruder said. “It is really a vast subject.” https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2012-08-14/ty-article/tracing-lost-israelite-tribes-to-africa/0000017f-ed68-d0f7-a9ff-efedcdd80000
Israel is determined through genetic testing to find the last remaining Israelites and bring them home.
There are no lost tribes of Israel in Europe. The Jews have collected enough genetic data on Europeans and are confident that they are not Israelites.
But Jews themselves have maintained, since at least 1980, that they are not Israelites:
“STRICTLY SPEAKING IT IS INCORRECT TO CALL AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE A ‘ JEW’ OR TO CALL A CONTEMPORARY JEW AN ISRAELITE OR A HEBREW.” (1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3).
The Jews also mix with non-jews regularly, a move that assuredly dilutes whatever genetic unqiueness they have.
We already know that genetically Israelis/Jews are the same as the Arabs, because they have admitted as such:
https://christiansfortruth.com/israeli-successfully-donates-bone-marrow-to-arab-boy-proving-jews-cannot-be-gods-chosen-people/
So then, what are the Israelis testing for?
Never trust any DNA results from Israelis or Jews….there’s always an agenda….How do Jews establish an objective DNA profile for a pure ancient Israelite from archeological remains? Or do they just claim that any Jew’s profile is a real Israelite DNA profile? What a joke….
Well, its okay to go cherry-picking in the bible make your own Kool-Aid Milk-shake, and enjoy yourself. However, that does not mean everybody has to sip your Kool-Aid, however sweet it might be. Its only sweet you, especially when you have added a derivative of “Chosenhood” of a people long gone with history.
How St. Paul was right when he uttered these words. “The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching for anything new and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth and will turn to myths.” 2 Timothy 4:3-4 The writer is definitely one such Teacher.
So it’s “cherry picking” to claim that Jesus came only for the “lost sheep of the house of Israel”, words from Christ’s own lips in Matthew 15:24. Where is the ambiguity in that statement?
And in case, you think this is “cherry picking”, here is a list of many verses about the “regathering of Israel” with their Messiah:
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/verses/id/2400/israel-regathering-of-verses.htm
You claim that the Israelites are “a people long gone with history”, but if that is true, then you make both God The Father and Jesus Christ into liars. If Israelites no longer exist, then how will Christ regather them, the living and the dead, in His kingdom upon his return, according to Revelation 12?
And, no, the Israelites were not regathered during the lifetime of Christ. The regathering clearly was a future event, confirmed throughout Revelation, and that they would be regathered under His name, as Christians.
Multiple verses confirming that God will regather the “remnant” of Israel, and that they, as a people, will never perish:
https://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/library/verses/id/4413/israel-remnant-of-verses.htm
If it applies to anyone around here, I think 2 Timothy 4:3-4 applies to you, Bigfoot.
Look, Marlowe, I do not dispute that The Lord was sent first to “lost sheep of the house of Israel”, I recognize it, that when he sent His Twelve Disciples, He instructed them, ‘Do not make your way to gentile territory ,and do not enter any Samaritan town; go instead to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.” Mathew 10:5-6.
In fact, it is instructive, that none of the Eleven Disciples (without counting Judas who betrayed Him) was sent, or commissioned to preach to the Gentiles. This shows the yearning of God, to conclude his relationship with Israel, on a positive note. All of them, were sent to the Jews, and all of them were massacred by the Jews. Even after St. Paul was called by the Lord, and Commissioned to go and preach to the gentiles, he attempted to succeed where the other Disciples has failed, which was preaching to the Jews. The Jews canned him, five times, (Thirty nine Minus One) they stoned him to death, and he resurrected. They harassed him from town to town, and eventually they instigated the incidence which resulted to his being exiled in Rome where he died, possibly by beheading.
So, there is no dispute, that The Lord first went to, and sent his disciples to “The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel” However, it is misleading, not to recognize that even though The Lord did first seek to win the Israelites, He knew, that many would not accept him. If you read the parable of the wicked tenants, you will understand what The Lord was telling the Jews, about what they were about to do, and what would happen. And the Jews, knew that the Lord was addressing them, because He told them to their face! “You are going to kill me, but then, the Kingdom of God will be yanked from you, and given to the gentiles, who will bear fruits! He said;
“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, “This is the heir. Come on, let us kill him and take over his inheritance.” So they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. Now when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?’ They answered, ‘He will bring those wretches to a wretched end and lease the vineyard to other tenants who will deliver the produce to him at the proper time.’ Jesus said to them, ‘Have you never read in the scriptures: The stone which the builders rejected has
become the cornerstone; this is the Lord’s doing and we marvel at it? ‘I tell you, then, that the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.’
When they heard his parables, the chief priests and the scribes realised he was speaking about them, but though they would have liked to arrest him they were afraid of the crowds, who looked on him as a prophet.” Mathew 21: 38-46
If you read this parable from the beginning, you will the chronology of what happened to “The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel. Before they killed the Son, they had killed the prophets.
So what was so tragic about “The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel” They forgot their purpose in Gods plan. A plan which was envisioned and prophesied by God from the beginning, and a vision which was passed on by the linage, though their prophesy. And this Prophesy and Vision, was “The Knowledge of One True God, who is the Christ”! He is Lord Yahweh. The same Spirit of The Lord, God of Old Testament. This is the vision and the prophesy repeated thought God, seeking the nations of the world, to know Him, and worship Him correctly, so that “Nation Bless Themselves”!
. If you swear “As Yahweh lives” truthfully, justly, honestly, the nations will bless themselves by you, and glory in you” Jeremiah 4:1-3
“I will make you a great nation. I will bless you and make your name so famous, that it will be used as a blessing. ‘I will bless those who bless you, I will curse those who curse you. All the nations of the earth shall bless themselves by you” Genesis 12: 1-4
“Now Yahweh had wondered, ‘Shall I conceal from Abraham what I am going to do, as Abraham will become a great and powerful nation and all nations on earth will bless themselves by him? For I have singled him out to command his sons and his family after him to keep the way of Lord Yahweh by doing what is upright and just, so that Yahweh can carry out for Abraham what he has promised him.’” Genesis 18:17-19
It is because, the Israelites failed in their role to make God known throughout the world, which triggered the Manifestation of The Messiah. In fact, if Israel had succeeded, The Messiah would not have been necessary. But its their failure that made it unavoidable that the Messiah would appear, and would come to tragic end on Earth, as well explained by Prophet Daniel in his prophesy about the “Seventy Weeks.”
The “Seventy Weeks” prophesy, actually gives a timeline leading to the Manifestation Of The Messiah, and the end of The House Of Israel relationship with God. God, thereafter terminated the relationship with the Israelites, and transferred His Relationship to His Christ! In other words, Jesus is The end of the Old House of Israel, and the beginning of The New House Of Israel, which is The Christ, and His People!
The Christ, is now The New Israel. And The Christ as The New Israel, has Redeemed everybody, and that is why, we are all, whether Jews, or Christians, or Hindu, or Moslems or whatever background you may come from, we all, belong to The Christ. This is where one needs to distinguish between “Salvation” and “Redemption” These two, appear to mean the same thing but they do not!
So, that having been said, it means that to God The Father, the only special individual in this World, is The Christ. He is The Chosen One. The Christ, having redeemed everybody, does not chose anybody. He is The Chosen One. He is the one to Judge people, on their last day. So the issue of choosiness is totally immaterial in this world if it is not of The Christ. The Christ is everything to God, and therefore, He is everything to Man. So, now my friend, do you now accuse me of sherry picking, or are you not the one who refuses to see God’s Big Picture? Well, sorry for the length, I hope I have explained myself.
Bigfoot, you seem to have completely made all this up. You ignored the fact that God said He would never leave Israel completely and that He would regather them. Fact.
Though some of what you say sounds like standard false Catholic doctrine in regards to Israel. As you may know, the Catholics claim that the Catholic Church is the “new Israel” under the New Covenant.
Israel’s failure was in keeping God’s commandments. They weren’t commanded to proselytize the nations, as you seem to suggest. They failed to be a light unto the Adamic nations because of sin. That’s why God broke off his relationship with them, and scattered them. But God promised He would never leave them completely, so He redeemed them and offered them salvation through His son, Jesus Christ.
Christ did not replace God the Father. The Father is eternal. Christ is His son. They are separate. Jesus Christ is not, nor will He every be, a “replacement” for the eternal Father.
God promised Israel, “I will not leave you or forsake you.” Joshua 1:5. The same promise to Israel is repeated in Hebrews 13:5
God said He would make a new covenant also with Israel, not with Muslims, not with Hindus. With Israel. Jeremiah 31:31
No, Christ is not “the God of the Muslims and Hindus.” You made that up. You’re a universalist who made up his own Bible and his own cosmology.
You directly contradict what Christ actually said. You claim Jesus “does not choose anybody,” yet Christ said in John 15:16, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you.”
That’s fine, make up the Bible that you want to believe in, as many have done, as you’re free to do that. Just don’t pretend what you believe is anywhere in the Bible, and don’t be surprised when people object to your reading of what the Bible actually says.
Marlowe, You say,
“You seem to have completely made all this up. You ignored the fact that God said He would never leave Israel completely and that He would regather them”
This was never an unconditional choice, or unconditional attachment to the Tribe of Israel. It was a contract, voided if either party did not fulfil the obligations under the contract.
Note this;
(1) Of the whole population of the Hebrew who were rescued from Egypt, only Caleb was allowed to enter Canaan. For the rest, only their children were allowed.
(2) God threatened to wipe out the whole race of Israel and execute His plans with Moses and his descendants. Moses interceded for Israel, and God relented.
(3) Of the Twelve Tribes of Israel which had been chosen by God, Ten Tribes were wiped out and disappeared from History.
What is the message here? That for God, it did not matter, even if only One Israelite Obeyed Him, to the end, so that God could execute his plans through Him. So, you are right when you state that “But God promised He would never leave them completely, so He redeemed them and offered them salvation through His son, Jesus Christ”
God did not have to keep bearing with the stubbornness of the House of Israel. So, instead of His plans being compromised by “A people constantly provoking me to my face by sacrificing in gardens, burning incense on bricks living in tombs, spending the night in dark corners, eating the meat of pigs, putting unclean foods on their plates.” Isaiah 65:3-4 God decided to change his plans with the House of Israel, and therefore, instead of having to deal with the whole Tribe, just as he had abandoned Israel, and picked Judah, He later abandoned Judah, and picked up Jesus, who is The Christ.
Technically, God is still using “Israel” even if He using just One Israelite! So, instead of looking up to Moses, or The Judged, or The Law, or The Kings, or The Name, “Israel” or History, the Israelites, were now, because of The Christ, just like everybody, required to look up to The Christ Crucified. He assumed the symbol of The Snake, which Moses raised up in the wilderness, so that whosoever belies in Him, be he an Israelite, a Hindu, a Moslem, A pagan, in a word, EVERYBODY, may be saved.
You say that “Christ did not replace God the Father”
It is true, that He did not replace The Father, however, He is now equal with God The Father, And He Himself is called “Eternal Father” The prophets prophesied this!
“For there is a child born to us, a son is given to us, and dominion is laid on his shoulders, . and this is the name given to him; Wonder counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace, Wide is His dominion, in a peace that has no end, for the Throne of David, and for his royal power, which he establishes and makes secure, in justice and integrity, from this time onwards and forever the jealous love of Lord Yahweh Saboath will do this. Isaiah 9: 1-8
And He himself stated that whoever does not Honour The Son, does not honour The Father.
“Thus, as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son gives life to anyone he chooses; for the Father judged no one, he has entrusted all judgment to the Son so that all may honor the Son as they Honor the Father Whoever refused to honor the Son, refuses to honor The Father who sent Him. ” John 5:19-20.
You say; “God promised Israel, “I will not leave you or forsake you.” Joshua 1:5. The same promise to Israel is repeated in Hebrews 13:5”
This is answered above. The Christ, is an Israelite. He is The Son of David. And He replaces the whole of the House of Israel. He is “A shoot will spring from the stock of Jesse, a new shoot will grow from his roots.” Isaiah 11:1
You say: “God said He would make a new covenant also with Israel, not with Muslims, not with Hindus. With Israel. Jeremiah 31:31”
O yes He did, when He said; “ Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he handed it to them, and all drank from it, and he said to them, ‘This is my blood, the blood of the covenant, poured out for many.” Mark 14:23-24 The twelve Disciples represents “The Israel Of The Christ” who were them sent to convert pagans, be they Moslems, Hindu, or pagans.
You say: No, Christ is not “the God of the Muslims and Hindus.” You made that up.
Really? Please do your Homework. Read this
“ There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither slave nor freeman, there can be neither male nor female — for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28
“ ‘God sent his word to the people of Israel, and it was to them that the good news of peace was brought by Jesus Christ — he is the Lord of all.” Acts 10:26-26
‘Yahweh Sabaoth, God of Israel, enthroned on the winged creatures, you alone are God of all the kingdoms of the world, you made heaven and earth.” Isaiah 37:16-16
‘Look, I am Yahweh, God of all humanity. Is anything impossible to me?” Jeremiah 32:7-27
“The Truth that I have come to realize,” he said, ’is that God does not have favorites, but anybody of any nationality who fears God, and does what is right is acceptable to Him. It is true, God sent his Word to the people of Israel and it was to them that the good news of peace was brought by Jesus Christ-but Jesus Christ is Lord of all men” Acts 10:34-37
You said: “You claim Jesus Does not choose anybody,” yet Christ said in John 15:16, “You did not choose Me, but I chose you.”
It is not a One Way affair. The idea of Choice by The Christ, is irrelevant, if the persons so chosen, refuses to reciprocate and chose the Christ. That is why, The Christ gave the people the freedom, either to chose Him, or to go away.
“After this, many of his disciples went away and accompanied him no more. Then Jesus said to the Twelve, ‘What about you, do you want to go away too?’ Simon Peter answered, ‘Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the message of eternal life ,and we believe; we have come to know that you are the Holy One of God.’ John 6:66-69
You still thinks I am “Making this stuff up”?
Does this still jibe with the notion that other Adamics can be brought into the fold?
I don’t think Weisman addresses that issue directly. But the question is, are there any pure Adamics left that haven’t inter-married with Israelites? The early Japhethites have all probably inter-married over the last 2,000 years. If there are any pure Adamics left who have no Israelite ancestry, it would certainly be rare at this point, no?
I am not sure that it would be rare, as there are so many differences between Whites.
I’ve seen an explanation for this being that these different Whites are in actuality not white and that they’re actually blighted hybrids, Mongols and Melungeon etc, but does that have to be the case?
Yeah, between early mixing with feather Indians and Blacks in America, there are a lot of white looking people here, who can pass as white but aren’t, like Melungeons. The mixing happened more in the South and Southwest than in the north and northeast. And among the poor whites.
I think you’d find more pure Whites in Europe than America, percentage-wise. Europeans still haven’t really mixed much with other Europeans from other countries, but that will change now with the borderless EU.
Eastern Europe does baffle me. Famously thought to be worthless by Bismarck, I figured the mainstream story that they had been corrupted by the Asiatic hordes that the Mongols brought* in, and the Turks.
While that is no doubt true in some regions there, I’ve met and seen too many actual Whites from/in Eastern Europe for it to be anywhere near all of them.
Even if it had been, the Jews ensured that Spain had been corrupted by the moors and it still kept pace with its purer Western neighbors.
So why did Western Europe take turns ruling the world while the East was seen as a backwater?
(*acknowledging CFT’s coverage of the actual core of the Mongols, like Genghis himself, were White)
Well, at the time of Christ, there were both some Greeks (Javan) and some Romans (Kittim) who were non-Israelites, but I think we can all agree that today’s Greeks and southern Romans probably aren’t Adamic anymore through mixing with conquering Arabs. Some may still be pure, but not many. Basically, all the Adamics in the Mediterranean basin have been absorbed into the darker races from the south.
Of the Adamic non-Israelite “gentiles today, maybe there are some the remote islands such as the Hebrides, but then again the name Hebrides comes from the word “Hebrew”, so not likely. The Scythian and Goth Israelites traveled through most European countries from east to west, all the way to Scotland and Spain.
In America, many whites are now mixed with many European ancestries, such as Tom Brady, the football player, who is Irish, English, Swedish, German, Norwegian and Polish. Similar to my children who are English, Irish, Scottish, German, and Polish.
In a couple more generations, only God will be able to sort out who is who among the remnant of the white race, who has lived up to their Christian Israelite heritage and who has not.
“In a couple more generations, only God will be able to sort out who is who among the remnant of the white race, who has lived up to their Christian Israelite heritage and who has not.”
I wonder how many americans or “amerimutts will make it”, the situation there is truly terrible:
Every year there are around 7 milions children born from White people and 6 milions of them are White but the usa census where I took this doesn’ take into account arabs, turks, iranians, quadroons, octoroons, jews and so on.
I don’t wanna sound as a defeatist but their situation is worsened by the fact that many “Whites” there also have gypsy ancestry and almost 1 milions “White” Americans have it.
Horrible, I pray that the Christians Whites there make it through these hard times like all other Adamites.
Ehi CFT team, I have 2 questions for you:
1 – What do you think about all those theories of Jesus Christ travelling the world before he started preaching?
Some people like Bertrand Lewis Comparet said he went to England while others says that he went to America others instead said that he just worked and lived like a normal man before deciding to do what he did.
This tweet has an interesting take on it
https://twitter.com/JWranglerood/status/1548898142350974976/photo/1
2 – The Spanish and English people conquered the Americas but even if they corrupted their blood by miscegenation do you think they were doing God’s will by making those prophecies come true?
Why would Jesus go anywhere inhabited by non-whites? That makes no sense. He came only for the lost sheep of Israel, not the Aztecs and Mayans.
As far as England goes, it’s part of the folklore of Glastonbury, but since it can never be proven, I wouldn’t spend too much time dwelling on the issue. E. Raymond Capt did a good documentary on the subject, but I doubt there’s much more that can be added to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zluVs0v-xQw
There were white-looking Native American tribes in North America according to the CFT articles on the white blue-eyed tribes of America & the Anubis Caves. They are described by ancient ethnographists of the time as looking remarkably “white” in skin & eye color, with fair hair, despite certain Native American traits in facial composition. These tribes have more or less died out these last centuries.
The argument (as I’ve read other writers on this subject) is the proto-European tribes crossed the arctic circle & Atlantic and inhabited North America, forming a minor community in the Americas among the same time the Eurasians who crossed from the Bearing Straight– similar to the Vikings. This is also the basis of the “iron tribes of the Great Lakes” theory.
Which raises a question in my mind. So, the Israelites were all white– meaning specifically, white/pink/ruddish skin, blonde/red/light-brown hair, blue/gray eyes– and the Israelites were the children of Noah in the middle-east (specifically the Euphrates river & northern Nile in the “fertile crescent”), who himself was a son of Adam.
Noah’s children then migrated north through the Caucuses & crossing the Aegean sea, inhabiting Northern & Eastern & Western Europe, and crossed the Atlantic ocean inhabiting parts of America, and crossed the Iranian plateau as well and were the original inhabitants of much of western Asia. There’s another CFT article which talks about how the Khwarizm empire of Arabia that Genghis Khan massacred were Israelites, which is how the Jews of Iran stopped “looking” white anymore.
Which brings me to my question: since these Israelites are the “children of God”, and these Israelites also migrated throughout the Caucuses & Arabia & Europe (and even America), wouldn’t that make the Khazarian Jews also Israelites? This flows along the Israelites migration pattern, and the area did not become gentrified of Israelities by Genghis Khan until after the Khazarians converted to Judaism.
So wouldn’t it not matter that these people reject Christ & the Talmud states that Jesus is being boiled alive in semen in hell? And not matter that these people converted & are thus not “really” among the 12 tribes of Judea, and are not one of God’s chosen people? They’re going to be saved in the end anyways if they’re (I forget the bible passage this comes from) more than 12/13+ generations removed from any mixing of their non-Israelite (white) DNA– that makes them one of God’s chosen.
Unless I have something mistaken, or I’m missing the big picture, or unless there’s an unspoken solution to all this.
Christian wrote, “Which brings me to my question: since these Israelites are the “children of God”, and these Israelites also migrated throughout the Caucuses & Arabia & Europe (and even America), wouldn’t that make the Khazarian Jews also Israelites?”
No, there’s no evidence that the Khazars were a white, Adamic people, let alone Israelites. The consensus seems to be that the Khazars were a Mongol-Turkish people who had migrated up into that region from the Near East. The Jews who immigrated into the Khazar Empire also probably came from the Middle East, from places like Babylon, Damascus, and Anatolia. These Jews were most certainly race mixed, not pure Adamic people.
The DNA tests of Ashkenazi Jews, who are descendant from the Khazars, clearly show that these people do not have the same DNA haplotypes as most white Europeans, and therefore, they cannot be Israelites or Adamic. They are vagabond mongrels who have picked up DNA from every nation that they’ve lived in. They can often “pass” as white, which fools a lot of people, and its part of their power to deceive their hosts.
Europeans have been crossing the Atlantic Ocean long befrore Columbus did. They have found Phoenician artifacts and burial grounds all over North America. I believe also that the Grand Canyon was an ancient Egyptian gold mining site. This would explain the white looking tribes in North America.
Let’s not forget about the Vikings either. They have discovered viking settlements in South America as well.
seek first the kingdom…
so I did, there it was…not even hid
with a monarch anointed on a wonderful stone…as described in the holy tome,
jaw on floor at what I saw, the throne of David without proper respect or awe
I asked the I AM, is this so? His response wasn’t slow…
“truth & faith”, “God bless the queen”, “do not deviate from this truth”, “United Kingdom”
Hi mate. Most non-white cultures of the world have “great white god” legends and myths. All of South America and the Pacific Islands have storys of white men giving them knowledge and help and then leaving again. Peter Kolosimo wrote a good book called Not Of This World which is full of white god storys. The Maoris of New Zealand thought that Captain James Cook’s ship was a “floating island” when they saw it, for example.
As for your second question, I really couldn’t say either way myself.
Aztec, Mayan, and Inca legend has it that a race of white giants built their megalithic structures. Aztec specifically mention the Quinametzin giants as the builders.
There are megalithic structures around the world–according to myths–which have been built by a race of white, blue-eyed, blond or red haired giants. For over a hundred years, jewish academia has worked fervently to hide this fact.
That certainly makes sense, as I have seen the barrio and nothing about It suggests that today’s Aztec and Maya could build the ancient* structures that survive today, or the city that Cortez found.
In many ways, the Mexico City of Cortez’s time trumps the present day one.
Did Whites come and then leave, with the brown folk setting up a “Cargo Cult” to try and bring them back (as the Jews let slip happened in the Pacific during WW2), or was this yet another tragic case of a White caste ruling over a bazillion browns and eventually getting bred out by them, but holding on to vague vestiges of their civilization?
Montezuma himself told Cortez that his people didn’t build those cities but a population that looked like him did.
Those people later went to Europe for some reason and left the women behind and then the browns took advantage and killed most Whites except a few who race-mixed and a few others pure Whites who survived even until Cortez came and died because of smallpox.
Cortez recorded this in his diary.